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Root gingerbread news!

VIVA LA REVOLUTION! :D

Well, I agree with most of your rant. I also purchased the X hoping it would be cracked. But, that's on us. We decided to take a chance and it didn't pay off. So, does that make "us" sheep as well?
While most of us will probably move towards the devices and providers that are less locked, most users don't know or care about the same things we do.
It sucks, but as long as greed rules the business world (and a hint; it always will), we will just have to research our devices more carefully. I don't think we can make enough of an impact on their sales to get any attention.

Anyway, {hug}yawdapaah{/hug} just try and make the best of the current situation. :D
 
Lol, we all bought the DX hoping for a "miracle". At the time, I don't think anyone locked phones down to that extent so it was a relative unknown. Now we know; making that same "mistake" is, well :confused:.

Hugs? Yes please :3
 
yawdapaah said:
1. he can't sideload apps so he can't install that cool email app I'm using.
2. he can't root the phone and tether (a primary reason for buying the phone) because AT&T will automatically ad the tether plan to your bill,
and more.
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i believe BOTH of those issues have been tackled by Atrix devs at this point...

yawdapaah said:
We're gonna get screwed till we do something about it; but we (collectively) don't. In the end, I blame the SHEEP - who refuse to think about the over-arching reasons behind what the carriers and OEMs are doing - and the sell outs - who justify or try to minimize the importance of kernels or whatever. Next, it will be a method to prevent you from rooting, then which maps app you can use or something else. And you'll keep ignoring/justifying it till you cede ALL your rights to the corporations and wake up to find out that you have nothing left.
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this is where i have to respectfully disagree with you...you're walking a very thin line with regards to consumer rights, and what we are and are not allowed to do with the products we "own."

- Now, we are quite lucky in regards to mobile phones that the iPhone jailbreak cases have allowed people free reign as far as what they can, and can not modify on their phones, but that is largely IMO, because Apple didn't push as hard as they could have.

- On the other hand, the hackers/devs (Geohot in particular) are going to lose their current case against Sony regarding the PS3...and while the mobile phone precedent has already been set by the jailbreaking cases, the PS3 hack is going to go completely in the other direction and the DMCA is going to be upheld...potentially setting a superseding precedent.

- I don't support the companies in locking down their phones, but at the same time i can't fault them for it. They are protecting their intellectual property. A group of people worked very hard, and spent a lot of money developing the hardware and software that comes in our X's out of the box, and they are simply trying to protect the investment on their end...

- I do completely understand your point...but what i don't think you're realizing is that when you take the stance you are taking is that you end up looking just as bad as the manufacturer, just on the other end of the spectrum.

- I wish we had the choice of unlocking the bootloader...leaving those that make that choice to fend for themselves (no returns, no warranty, no service etc...)but i don't see it happening...
 
bbuck002 said:
Yep, and I still have the issue of widgets jumping around and doubling. It's random though, and they typically jump around on a reboot. Otherwise I love GL, and it's not a big enough deal to keep me from using it. I just delete the offending widget and re-add it where its supposed to be.
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Have you tried downloading the new go launcher, and in go launcher's preferences, try doing clean rubbish in advanced settings. I had that problem a few updates ago in go launcher, but it's been working flawlessly now...and i'm running apex 1.4.1
 
dvschnk said:
Have you tried downloading the new go launcher, and in go launcher's preferences, try doing clean rubbish in advanced settings. I had that problem a few updates ago in go launcher, but it's been working flawlessly now...and i'm running apex 1.4.1
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Yeah I just saw there is another new update since I had posted that. Haven't had a chance to dl and apply said clean rubbish. Will do that soon, let it settle in and report back.

As for the argument of locking the phone and the carriers input on that aspect. Here's an important piece of information we are all forgetting, and I just put together coherently in another post. If you buy your device on contract, and receive a subsidized phone (like most of us probably did and got our phones with a NE2 or other upgrade offer) for 150-200 bucks or whatever you paid, then Verizon owns more of your phone than you do. Remember, the full retail of these devices is over $500. When we get them for $150, Verizon is essentially PAYING the other $350+ dollars to get us into two year contracts with them. Yes, I know they aren't paying retail prices, BUT they aren't charging the users retail prices either. Motorola created the device and they will get their money, they don't care who from. This then actually gives VZW the right to pretty much do whatever they want with the devices. If you look at it this way (and I'm sure more than one person is going to have a hissy fit over what I'm saying), then the phones are more Verizon's than ours. Does that suck, definitely. Is it going to change, no way. Do I agree with it, absolutely not. I'm just trying to look at it from every angle. And, unfortunately, none of those angles look good for us, the consumer. Especially, the relatively small percentage of us who want to do interesting things with our devices. If you want total freedom from locked bootloaders and carrier decisions, then you really only have one choice, and that's the Nexus.

Don't forget also, that just a couple of weeks ago, it came through the pipeline that Moto was possibly walking back a bit on their locked bootloaders policy. I think they do understand that we have a very intellegent, vibrant community here that could be used more to their advantage. Hopefully the rumors are also true that the next Nexus is going to be a Moto device. B/c let's face it, Moto's got some of the best build properties of all the companies. I haven't liked any of the Samsung or HTC devices as much when compared to the solid building of X. And the X comes from a long line of solidly built devices. I know everyone hates the locked bootloader, and I do too. It goes against the very nature of Openness. But, they have the right to protect their intellectual property. I say our argument should be "We don't want you intellectual property. We want our own."

Ok, I know that was long, but hopefully there is some good insight in there.

Peace out and Pura Vida!

Brian
 
if the rumor came out of the devs IRC channel then my bet is...not a chance in hell will it hit sunday.

hehe:D

on a more serious note, if this does start hitting on Sunday, what's the best upgrade path? Would I just need to flash the maderstock.zip and then start looking for the update? Or is there more I need to do? I might have frozen some bloat with TIBU but I can easily take care of that.
 
On March 21st P3Droid tweeted that Droidx will be getting gingerbread soonish and then later that night said he does not have a timetable and that is up to vzw/Moto but it is stable now.

So now with another report maybe just maybe this is getting closer. After this past weekend I am not going to be staying up Sunday night and trying to pull this down at midnight. I also remember hearing that it was hard to root, so I will want to make sure that someone has a way to root it before making that jump.
 
Metfanant said:
i believe BOTH of those issues have been tackled by Atrix devs at this point...
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At this point, he's even afraid of rooting the phone. Not sure what other "surprises" are coming. Either way, he'll never tether with his phone (not debating the merits of free tethering) although it was one of his primary reasons for getting it.

Metfanant said:
this is where i have to respectfully disagree with you...you're walking a very thin line with regards to consumer rights, and what we are and are not allowed to do with the products we "own."
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You're right, it's a thin line to walk. But the corporations have enough muscle and money to think about their own rights. We, as consumers, should worry about ours.

Metfanant said:
Now, we are quite lucky in regards to mobile phones that the iPhone jailbreak cases have allowed people free reign as far as what they can, and can not modify on their phones, but that is largely IMO, because Apple didn't push as hard as they could have.
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True, but Apple may have realized that a) this is a small percentage of users b) that people are still buying their stuff every cycle wether they jailbreak or not. I don't know too much about iphones though.

Metfanant said:
On the other hand, the hackers/devs (Geohot in particular) are going to lose their current case against Sony regarding the PS3...and while the mobile phone precedent has already been set by the jailbreaking cases, the PS3 hack is going to go completely in the other direction and the DMCA is going to be upheld...potentially setting a superseding precedent.
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Geohot is going to lose because there is no public outcry about the scam Sony is pulling. With the jailbreaking issue, there so much noise on the issue; even Engadget was making hey about it (if I remember correctly).

Xbox bans you for piracy. A lot of guys got banned cos they had Super Street Fighter 4 early on Xbox. I believe they ban your IP as well. Sony could take the same route to avoid piracy. However, when someone pays $600 for a PS3 that comes with the other OS option (not to mention PS2 compatibility) and then you take that option from them :eek:. And no PS2 or PS1 compatibility? I just want to play FF7 again. Also, some researchers want to leverage the power of the PS3 for research (just like the US military) but I digress.

Sony didn't fix the problem, they just screwed us over. Yet the screw'ees seem to be on the side of the screw'er (I'm not talking about you). I've even heard some people call Geohot a jackass when they barely know what's going on.

Metfanant said:
I don't support the companies in locking down their phones, but at the same time i can't fault them for it. They are protecting their intellectual property. A group of people worked very hard, and spent a lot of money developing the hardware and software that comes in our X's out of the box, and they are simply trying to protect the investment on their end...
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Everyone is entitled to protect their intellectual property, but that's not what the efuse is doing. Is there any part of the DX (OS, code, customizations) that is "protected" from the end user? You can access every file (I think). Wouldn't a better way be to prevent root or ADB?

Metfanant said:
I do completely understand your point...but what i don't think you're realizing is that when you take the stance you are taking is that you end up looking just as bad as the manufacturer, just on the other end of the spectrum.
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Again, I don't think about the OEM's rights because they have lawyers to do that. We should try to get them to meet us at some undertandable middle ground.

Metfanant said:
I wish we had the choice of unlocking the bootloader...leaving those that make that choice to fend for themselves (no returns, no warranty, no service etc...)but i don't see it happening...
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It won't happen because there's no push for it. Most people don't know and many of us who know don't care.
 
bbuck002 said:
If you buy your device on contract, and receive a subsidized phone (like most of us probably did and got our phones with a NE2 or other upgrade offer) for 150-200 bucks or whatever you paid, then Verizon owns more of your phone than you do. Remember, the full retail of these devices is over $500. When we get them for $150, Verizon is essentially PAYING the other $350+ dollars to get us into two year contracts with them.
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They are paying us for a commitment. Essentially, they're passing on (what might be a fraction, who knows) the discount they get from Moto to ensure that you'll pay them a MINIMUM of $2010.53 (7% tax) over the period of two years.
 
Thats exactly what I said, in different words. :) They subsidize the phone to lock us into contracts. Ccuz really, how many of us are gonna pay 500+ dollars every year or two for a new phone. If that were the case, I'd probably still be rocking my Star Tac...
 
yawdapaah said:
Geohot is going to lose because there is no public outcry about the scam Sony is pulling. With the jailbreaking issue, there so much noise on the issue; even Engadget was making hey about it (if I remember correctly).
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see, i personally think Geo is going to lose because his exploits have led to piracy on the console...while he may not have done it himself, he provided the keys to the front door.

yawdapaah said:
Xbox bans you for piracy. A lot of guys got banned cos they had Super Street Fighter 4 early on Xbox. I believe they ban your IP as well. Sony could take the same route to avoid piracy.
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Sony has been banning consoles as well...not as widespread as Microsoft, but they are...and they are blocking PSN access...

yawdapaah said:
However, when someone pays $600 for a PS3 that comes with the other OS option (not to mention PS2 compatibility) and then you take that option from them :eek:. And no PS2 or PS1 compatibility? I just want to play FF7 again. Also, some researchers want to leverage the power of the PS3 for research (just like the US military) but I digress.
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as for PS2 compatibility, its a whole different ballgame...You have to remember that the original PS3 literally had a PS2 on the motherboard...all of the hardware (CPU/GPU) was present...this raises costs...people cried for a cheaper console...first move was to remove the CPU and emulate that with the cell processor...further cost cutting led to the GPU being removed as well...hence, no more PS2 support...

PS1 compatibility still works 100% on ALL PS3 systems...so your FFVII should work completely...its also available on the PSN as a download...

OtherOS is a nightmare...i think the biggest issue here is that was where hackers were trying to get in first...and OtherOS was not a "supported" feature...meaning Sony is not going to provide support for Ubuntu, or any other linux distro...so instead of creating patches for the various issues caused by different distros...they closed the door completely by removing the feature...or you could stay on an old firmware and choose to lose access to the PSN

yawdapaah said:
Sony didn't fix the problem, they just screwed us over. Yet the screw'ees seem to be on the side of the screw'er (I'm not talking about you). I've even heard some people call Geohot a jackass when they barely know what's going on.
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i find Geo to be a jackass because of the way he handles himself...



yawdapaah said:
Everyone is entitled to protect their intellectual property, but that's not what the efuse is doing. Is there any part of the DX (OS, code, customizations) that is "protected" from the end user? You can access every file (I think). Wouldn't a better way be to prevent root or ADB?
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oh i completely agree...im just saying i can see where Moto is coming from...and i can see why the other manufacturers are seriously considering this...



yawdapaah said:
Again, I don't think about the OEM's rights because they have lawyers to do that. We should try to get them to meet us at some undertandable middle ground.
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that is a good point as well




yawdapaah said:
It won't happen because there's no push for it. Most people don't know and many of us who know don't care.
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agreed

bbuck002 said:
If that were the case, I'd probably still be rocking my Star Tac...
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wait...its not cool to still use the Star Tac??!! :eek:
 
@bbuck:
Lol, I had a Star Tac too.
I wasn't trying to disprove what you said. Just wanted to point out that Verizon is (probably) not moving heaven and earth to give us free money.

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@Metfanant:
The other OS feature was part of the purchase though. Users were forced to upgrade and give up that feature or lose PSN (two paid for features). You can't play most games or Blu Rays without updating.

Geohot was never (in my knowledge) a fan of piracy; didn't he discourage it in his firmware? Eitherway, if corporations can strip away features at a whim what's next? Vunerability in Flash so no flash on MotoBlur? Or come up with a reason to get rid of Google Search in favor of something else?
 
yawdapaah said:
@Metfanant:
The other OS feature was part of the purchase though. Users were forced to upgrade and give up that feature or lose PSN (two paid for features). You can't play most games or Blu Rays without updating.
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yes it was a paid feature...but of course you have the option to not agree to the ToS/EULA before you create an account...within said agreement it explains that Sony reserves the right to do this...

is it a crap move? absolutely...

yawdapaah said:
Geohot was never (in my knowledge) a fan of piracy; didn't he discourage it in his firmware? Eitherway, if corporations can strip away features at a whim what's next? Vunerability in Flash so no flash on MotoBlur? Or come up with a reason to get rid of Google Search in favor of something else?
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correct, he is outwardly against piracy...but he gave the pirates the keys to unlock the OS...
 
Metfanant said:
but of course you have the option to not agree to the ToS/EULA before you create an account...within said agreement it explains that Sony reserves the right to do this...
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Precisely. Sony reserves the right to do this and therein lies the problem. What rights are reserved for us? To not use PSN? Either way, you're forced to give up something you paid for. Theoretically, Sony also reserves the right to charge for PSN at anytime.

Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point cos I get where you're coming from. Good discussion :cool:.

On topic: seems like GB is right around the corner. Hope P3droid for some way to root it.
 
yawdapaah said:
Precisely. Sony reserves the right to do this and therein lies the problem. What rights are reserved for us? To not use PSN? Either way, you're forced to give up something you paid for. Theoretically, Sony also reserves the right to charge for PSN at anytime.

Anyway, I don't want to belabor the point cos I get where you're coming from. Good discussion :cool:.
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agree completely!

yawdapaah said:
On topic: seems like GB is right around the corner. Hope P3droid for some way to root it.
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yes, seems like its coming up rather soon...and all signs point to it being a very smooth experience...if it is, i can see it as the reason why 3.4.2 was never pushed out publicly...P3Droid has said he quite liked the "new" Blur...i just hope it runs smooth and snappy and that we get root quickly...

also, im hoping some of the top devs either stick around, or possibly come back (unlikely) to make some ROMS for Ginger...

and speaking of Ginger...WTF is up with Moto basically abandoning the D2??...according to P3 he doesn't think there will be a release of Ginger for the D2, or at the very least he has not seen it...

i feel bad for those that jumped on the D2 before the D2G came out...
 
off topic, but again...DAMN he is adamant that the D2 is dead in the water...i guess i should have known this when the Global was released...but damn it sucks for those people with that phone...i have 4 or 5 friends that have it...

to think that a phone that came out a month AFTER the X won't be getting this update (at least the way P3 makes it seem) really sucks...

this is what happens when you have a manufacturer pushing out so many different phones so close to eachother...they need to let their phones mature like the OG Droid did...its really off putting when your manufacturer releases a new phone months after they released another...

i personally think the DX2 and D3 (if released this year) is a stupid move by Moto...They should ride the Bionic for the next year and release the DX2/D3 NEXT year when those that bought the original X and D2 are ready for new contracts...
 
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