Help hero vs moment?

[quentinfisher]

Fair enough, I'll agree that 3d rendering is where faster processors really shine. Wasn't trying to be brash, just really want to keep this has unbias as possible as I am still considering between the two myself.

 

[dtoepel]

hero has sense ui
moment has 800mhz cpu...

hmmm

(physical keyboard is not an issue for me)

Forgive me for not folllowing ??... if the keyboard is not a factor !! Is the Hero just as good of a device minus the board, flash etc..???
thanks for the help !!

 

[MikeG7265]

The Squirrel looks all nice and friendly...I thought he was... He was really looking to pick a fight, ask me how I know

Ok, so I didn't see anyone else ask, so I have to know........sorry if I'm getting off topic here, but my curiousity is getting the best of me!! LOL

 

[Adrift]

Ok, so I didn't see anyone else ask, so I have to know........sorry if I'm getting off topic here, but my curiousity is getting the best of me!! LOL

Well after taking the picture, he charged down the tree at me, puffed up and making crazy chattering noises, he smacked into the phone, didn't bite or anything, just kinda bump checked it and my hand. I start walking away and he jumps out of the tree, going crazy jumping all around, he finally let up, but that was the craziest thing I've ever seen a squirrel do.

BTW here are some photos I took today of a flower, cliche and boring yes, but I find them awesome for a phone camera.

 

[Edaze55]

I believe I complimented the moment on various aspects in where I compared the two so judging from your post you seem to be the one looking for a argument. I'm simply stating a fact, I admittedly do not know much about cell phone tech, but in a computer a 528mhz processor would be noticeably slower compared to a 800mhz one, based on that I was expecting the hero to look really bad next to the moment. I'm not a fanboy, I'm a consumer trying to the most bang for my money, and this is a hero vs moment thread what do you expect to be posted here?

I said it somewhere else way back when. Someone thought that the Moments 800mhz processor was going to be lightyears faster than the Hero because it was close to 33% faster or something or other.

My comment to that was something in the realm of "While 33% does indeed sound much faster, to me, its like buying a candy bar thats 33% bigger. Sounds like the difference would be huge but its really not" Its all relative. You have a processor thats not really all that fast, and you top it by 33% you only end up with something slightly faster no matter how you slice it.

 

[slag02]

I said it somewhere else way back when. Someone thought that the Moments 800mhz processor was going to be lightyears faster than the Hero because it was close to 33% faster or something or other.

My comment to that was something in the realm of "While 33% does indeed sound much faster, to me, its like buying a candy bar thats 33% bigger. Sounds like the difference would be huge but its really not" Its all relative. You have a processor thats not really all that fast, and you top it by 33% you only end up with something slightly faster no matter how you slice it.

This can work the other way as well, as I read in another thread the iphone is 33% or so thinner than the Moment but the difference sure appears to be huge

Just playin Devils Advocate here btw

 

[Edaze55]

Which is why I said its all relative.

 

[revtime]

I heard the processor in the Moment is a 528MHZ that has been overclocked. Is this true or is it a completely different proc?

 

[quentinfisher]

I believe they come from 2 different companies so I would say the Moment does pack a 800mhz stock clock speed processor. However in terms of technology I feel you'd be foolish to deny that a 33% increase in speed isn't a big difference, especially in terms of computing. I have no criticism towards the device or in anyway want to suggest that the Hero is superior, considering the rest of Sprints "smartphone" line up I'd say we're all lucky to own either device as they are my 1 and 2 for Sprint right now. All I'm saying from a purely technological perspective you'd have to expect that a 33% speed difference would make a noticeable difference especially in a mobile phone.

 

[dbpaddler]

Should probably consider yourself lucky for not getting bitten. Good possibility he might have rabies.

Well after taking the picture, he charged down the tree at me, puffed up and making crazy chattering noises, he smacked into the phone, didn't bite or anything, just kinda bump checked it and my hand. I start walking away and he jumps out of the tree, going crazy jumping all around, he finally let up, but that was the craziest thing I've ever seen a squirrel do.

 

[Str8_Krazy]

Question for those that have had both phones. How is the RF on the Moment VS the Hero? I've lost a couple calls on the Hero because of lost signal where I hardly ever lost them on my Samsung Ace.

One more question also.... I have a hissing sound in the background on my Hero when making or receiving calls. Does the Samsung have any noise? (although I admit when I had a hearing test I could hear higher pitched noises then they thought I should be able to)

 

[jinflorida]

You have to remember that each of these reviews are ultimately subjective. Where you have one reviewer criticizing the screen, I can point you to almost half a dozen reviewers who say the Moment's "screen is beautiful" or "gorgeous".

Samsung Moment (Sprint) - A Review of the Samsung Moment (Sprint)
Samsung Moment Review
Samsung Moment Reviews (Phone Scoop)
Samsung Moment Review - SlashGear

1- Thank you for the list of reviews. It makes it a lot easier to find the info.

2- I'm comparing the Sprint Moment and the Sprint Hero for purchase too. Does anyone have more reviews for either of these phones?

3- How do the Sprint HTC and Hero compare to the Motorola Droid offered by Verizon?

4- Does anyone have any idea why 2.0 was not released on the Hero or Moment and are there any ~reliable~ rumors about how long it will be before they are upgraded?

5- When HTC and Samsung say they won't do OTA upgrades, does that mean they will still do the upgrades online through a desktop download?

6- Could a UI Sense interface be upgraded to a phone after its release?

7- Could the 3 pages on the Moment be increased to a higher number, in a future upgrade?

8- Is the focus quality on the Moment better than the focus quality on the Hero?

9- What are the memory specs for the Moment versus the Hero?

10- Where can I find the specs for these phones?

Thanks!!!!

I have a BB 8330 and I am so tired of it freezing up. Great apps available for it, but if the processor and memory can't handle the apps, whats the point?
Thank you

 

[Edaze55]

Ive had both. I dont think Ive dropped any calls with either. Though Ive only had a handful of calls so far on the Moment.

 

[Edaze55]

1- Thank you for the list of reviews. It makes it a lot easier to find the info.

2- I'm comparing the Sprint Moment and the Sprint Hero for purchase too. Does anyone have more reviews for either of these phones?

3- How do the Sprint HTC and Hero compare to the Motorola Droid offered by Verizon?

4- Does anyone have any idea why 2.0 was not released on the Hero or Moment and are there any ~reliable~ rumors about how long it will be before they are upgraded?

5- When HTC and Samsung say they won't do OTA upgrades, does that mean they will still do the upgrades online through a desktop download?

6- Could a UI Sense interface be upgraded to a phone after its release?

7- Could the 3 pages on the Moment be increased to a higher number, in a future upgrade?

8- Is the focus quality on the Moment better than the focus quality on the Hero?

9- What are the memory specs for the Moment versus the Hero?

10- Where can I find the specs for these phones?

Thanks!!!!

I have a BB 8330 and I am so tired of it freezing up. Great apps available for it, but if the processor and memory can't handle the apps, whats the point?
Thank you

2. There used to be a review thread for the Sprint Hero in that section.

3. No idea, as its running 2.0.

4. Sprint wanted to get these phones out asap. And yes, some of the rumors are reliable. Mostly the ones for HTC. Samsung still doesnt know when they will be updating.

5. They arent doing OTA due to the size (so Sprint says). You will still be able to update at home, or in a Sprint Store.

6. Sense UI is proprietary. It MIGHT be available at some later point as a custom ROM, but who knows. You can get close to Sense with home screen apps.

7. Again. Home screen apps will do this. I currently have 7 on my Moment.

8. I think its easier to take shots and focus with the Moment. A dedicated camera button helps tons.

9. Memory, if Im not mistaken is the same.

10. Specs can be had right here. Scroll all the way up, click on Phones and find the ones you want to look at.

 

[Flipper]

9. Memory, if Im not mistaken is the same.

Can't find the details but I believe the Hero has slightly more RAM memory - something to the effect of 256 vs. 288. ROM memory I believe is the same.

I'm guessing that it's a bit of a wash considering that the extra RAM is likely utilized to run the Sense UI and the Moment more than makes up for it with the faster processor but that's beyond my expertise.

 

[quentinfisher]

Did some more digging and it turns out the Moment might not actually be running at the full 800mhz, but somewhere between 600-700 to keep the balance between battery life and performance more in favor of battery life which makes sense, and which is probably why I wasn't seeing the speed increases I thought I would.

 

[dkjones96]

33% processor increase doesn't necessarily mean 33% total performance increase. If the bus speeds, RAM, and ROM are similar you won't normally see the 33% increase overall. Back when overclocking meant changing multipliers instead of forcing bus speeds that was usually the case as I imagine it is here. Processor intensive things got faster but your normal bottlenecks were still there(such as reading from the HDD/ROM).

If this phone is like most systems now it will clock throttle. It might idle at 300MHz and when you need it goes up to 450, then a little more hit 600, and only in the most demanding of situations hit 800.

 

[flyjbaker]

Did some more digging and it turns out the Moment might not actually be running at the full 800mhz, but somewhere between 600-700 to keep the balance between battery life and performance more in favor of battery life which makes sense, and which is probably why I wasn't seeing the speed increases I thought I would.

I remember on the Instinct we could hack into the phone and change a setting that would make the phone go faster.....anything like that on this rig????

 

[Edaze55]

Can't find the details but I believe the Hero has slightly more RAM memory - something to the effect of 256 vs. 288. ROM memory I believe is the same.

I'm guessing that it's a bit of a wash considering that the extra RAM is likely utilized to run the Sense UI and the Moment more than makes up for it with the faster processor but that's beyond my expertise.

I think you're right about the Memory difference between the two. My mistake.

 

[Godfather13]

I'll chime in on my experience with the Hero. Ill try to keep this short.

I had the Instinct 2 yrs and wanted something new (it should be known the Instinct was my first 'smartphone' if you will / never owned a treo, blackberry, etc). After reading about android and the Hero I decided to pull the trigger. I read every review possible and watched youtube videos on the Hero and Moment. I was high on the Hero cause I didnt really want a slider phone. After reading Cnet's reviews which they gave the Hero a better rating I figured that was the one. I mean, I know its a subjective opinion but they do test a lot of things and even with the faster processor etc, the Hero came out ahead.

I went to Sprint and looked at both side by side. Personally I thought the Hero felt better in the hand, and look sleeker. I know thats probably the least reason to buy a phone but, nonetheless. I played with the Moments slide out qwerty. Typed, swiped, blah blah. I quickly came to the decision that there is no way im going to pull this phone out of my pocket, slide out the keyboard, turn it sideways, type, close it, and put it back in pocket everytime I text (which is what I do most). So if im not going to utilize that feature...why have it? It only makes the phone bigger and I want a thinner phone.

So I got the Hero. Was super pumped about it and started my journey with customizing it and downloading apps. Soon to find out that this android stuff is way more then I ever bargained for. But im digging all the customizing it can do. I set up my scene and start seeing the battery life dropping bad. Thats when I searched for a hero forum and found this place to read about battery life and ways to improve. I of course read about using Handcent and eliminating the Hero sms. My battery life improved greatly, phone is sleeping/awake like it should.

Ive only have the phone now 4 days. But I still see nothing to make me want the Moment. I admit Im not very techie inclinded and I know nothing about how all this works, and half of the abbreviations some of you use, but I wanted a phone that I could easily surf the web when needed, download cool apps to use and have some customability (is that a word?). I rarely watch videos, Sprint TV etc on my cell phone. I text a lot, take pics and video a good bit, check weather and websites when away from computer and follow all my sports teams. So the Hero so far is doing everything I want it to do and it feels great and fits nicely in the front pocket. Unless something mindblowing happens or comes out showing the Moment is THAT much better Im sticking with the Hero...just have no care for the bulky slider.

 

[Adrift]

Well to be fair, you are commenting from a biased view. You have never used the moment for any great amount of time. I owned a Hero for 30 days, and have decided I prefer the moment, as the Hero was just too laggy and had some build quality issues. I have yet to see a review where they say the Hero was faster at anything other than going from screen to screen, which is more a credit to Sense UI than to the Hero.

I would have to say I am not, and I doubt anyone here is, telling you to take your Hero back and get a Moment.

As far as everything you liked about the Hero more than the Moment in your last paragraph, the Moment can do it just as well if not better (in some cases) than Hero. Take customization for example, you are actually limited in that respect on the Hero as Sense UI is your UI. And if you love watching videos... they are better on Moment... smoother and you have an AMOLED screen, better detail, color, clarity, and brightness. Just pointing that out.

Oh and watch for dust collecting under the screen in the corners, it was one of the main reasons I took my Hero back. lots of folks saw this, and it was bad after a month imagine how bad it will be in a year.

And sure the Moment can be considered "bulky" but it easily slides into my pocket... Unless you wear super skinny jeans I don't see this being a problem...

 

[Bernal]

Having had the hero for three weeks and now the moment for a week, I really feel the choice between them is one of personal preferences. Overall they are very balanced competitors.

I for one couldn't be happier with the moment. I like the keyboard as much for being a keyboard as for something to hold onto while surfing and reading web pages.

In the end both phones have enough problems to warrant returning them if you're not willing to suffer through them and wait for an update. You also need some faith that the problems can and will be fixed. That may be the hardest part to swallow for many people.

 

[Adrift]

Having had the hero for three weeks and now the moment for a week, I really feel the choice between them is one of personal preferences. Overall they are very balanced competitors.

I for one couldn't be happier with the moment. I like the keyboard as much for being a keyboard as for something to hold onto while surfing and reading web pages.

In the end both phones have enough problems to warrant returning them if you're not willing to suffer through them and wait for an update. You also need some faith that the problems can and will be fixed. That may be the hardest part to swallow for many people.

Very well said, and I agree wtih everything...except...

You can't get an update to fix the issue of dust getting under the screen This was truely the straw that broke the camel's back for me.

 

[Edaze55]

Having had the hero for three weeks and now the moment for a week, I really feel the choice between them is one of personal preferences. Overall they are very balanced competitors.

I for one couldn't be happier with the moment. I like the keyboard as much for being a keyboard as for something to hold onto while surfing and reading web pages.

In the end both phones have enough problems to warrant returning them if you're not willing to suffer through them and wait for an update. You also need some faith that the problems can and will be fixed. That may be the hardest part to swallow for many people.

This pretty much nails it right here. I got my Hero on the 9th (go go Best Buy RW Members) and returned it last Monday for the Moment. I definitely like the Moment better, but as Bernal said, its a matter of preferences.

Both have their issues.

 

[Godfather13]

adrift: Im not approaching this thread as a "why to take your hero back and get a moment." Im reading all this with open eyes to see if there is that 1 major bug/flaw to dump the Hero for the Moment. While I like the look and feel of the Hero, if there was something major against the Hero I would get the Moment and live with the things I dont like about it.

And true my view is biased as my time with the Moment was liimited. I alsoo never stated one was faster then another but my Hero does sometimes have a lag to it when I scroll thru my contact list...it will pause a brief second and then continue on. Which isnt a big deal to me...for that extra second to bother me would be like me wanting to get rid of my desktop pc cause when I click on a new website I have to wait for the screen to change and pictures to load. Nothing is instant like we want it to be, so if I had either phone and it had a bit of lag Id be ok with it as long as it doesnt freeze up. But again, that just me and my expectations probably arent as high as most.

Thanks for the tip on the dust. I will keep an eye out on that. Has anyone emailed Sprint or HTC about that? Do they know its a problem?