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If you don't have an iphone...
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Roze
Hiding behind a mystery
I was just going to post this had no one posted the correction.
*coughs* read ashykat's post
Adding on to Ashykat's post, it's all about marketing. The iPhone, which is only ONE phone, it is VERY easy to market. Android on the other hands are way too distinct and diverse. There are over half a dozen (from the top of my head) manufacturers that make Android devices. Compound the number that most make dozen of Android pones. Verizon's marketing team are geniuses. Instead of marketing EACH android device they have (The OG Droid, Droid Eris, Drioid Incredible etc etc), which each time will cost money with branding each phone as its own entity. With calling all of their Android phones 'DROID', they can simply have ONE effective marketing campaign for all of the Droid phones. Not only does this reduce marketing cost, but it is also effective (mentioned in Ashykat's post). Now consumers have ONE name brand that is very easy to remember. So when they go to Verizon, they'd remember the Droid Does commercials that they saw and be told that the one they are interested in is called Droid ______.
/rambling
ashykat
Android Expert
That's exactly my point. Does it matter that we don't have iTunes on Android? Nope. It sure doesn't. We can get music multiple other ways. Apple is just very good at marketing so they will make people think it matters.
Roze
Hiding behind a mystery
*mumbles* I hate iTune with a *screams* PASSION
widehead
Android Enthusiast
I've been using my macbook pro just shy of 2 years.
- Boots just as fast as it did day one
- never needs defragging
- no antivirus software constantly requiring an update
The above 3 things alone make it a better proposition than a Windows based laptop for me.
3devious
Android Expert
Now see, that is how you end up in the category where people judge you for not knowing what you're talking doing. Defragging is so 10 years ago. Seriously, people still do that? I don't even install virus software and I have only gotten a virus once in 19 years that I've owned PCs, twice in the 20 years I've been using them. I did get significantly more viruses and disk problems in 6 years of heavy Mac use but the comparison is unfair since 95% of that was in a university environment.
Don't listen to CNet. They've cultivated more ignorance than the Iraqi information minister.
widehead
Android Enthusiast
So you're saying you can a Windows based computer everyday for 2 years, including daily internet use, without any slowdown on boot or without contracting any unwanted viruses?
drdoom
Android Expert
I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I would like to comment on this.
Do you honestly believe that Macs are immune to viruses and other malicious programs?
My buddy has a MBP that he just bought; $1400. I paid $750 for my Win7 laptop that is twice as fast spec wise and performance wise as his. I'll take the 30 minutes to defrag my computer for that benefit. Having said that, I haven't ran a defragmentation program in 2 years.
widehead
Android Enthusiast
Nope. Just saying they are not a problem.
That's nice but what is your performance like overall? I have a Windows desktop and a Macbook Pro. I have yet to use a windows based computer that did not require regular re-installs of windows in order to keep working at initial speeds. Windows slows down over time. If one actually does nothing to prevent it it'll become essentially unusable. This almost never happens with a mac.
zuben el genub
Extreme Android User
The only virus I ever had was in DOS. I do run AV, FW, AM, but the most a scan ever picks up is tracking cookies. I also don't click on everything I see.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I also upgrade computers. One desktop, now Ubuntu, has been upgraded since it was a 286. I have all custom built generic boxes.
Z
kyleonfire
Well-Known Member
I like Apple products because they work. I liked my Droid for a while, but after going through 4 of them and having each one have quirky, erratic issues and major slow downs, I got tired of it and bought and iphone 4 right away. Same goes for my PC's. After the HP's would just fall apart or get all kinds of hardware issues, and the other ones would just sometimes blue screen or get viruses from sites that are supposed to be harmless, I got my macbook pro. Never had a problem since. But to each their own right? Whatever works best for you, well then that's the product for you.
Why do people claim things, usually Apple products, bose, dyson, brokstoon, work better just because they own said device, and think that anyone going to take them as a credible source of imformation when they haven't used any other devices and spend hundreds or thousands on a device without doing simple research?
I use OS X in a VM on my PC so that I can use xCode. I hate OS X, I hate the green plus button, I hate the dock and how unintuitive it is compared to the windows smartbar, I hate having to close and application by righting clicking the dock, I hate how half you screen is taken up by menus and various strange GUI elements in simple programs, or how there is no maximize and you can only re-size a windows by its left corner so you're constantly suck wasting half of your screen. I hate how the menu items are always on the top, I hate having to press command instead of control like it is on any other modern OS. I hate how installing programs requires me to mount a compressed drive, then copy over the program, then unmount. How is that supposed to be easy for new users?
I can go on and on about how OS X doesn't work for me, and I'm sure that allot of people agree with me. So when you say *x* works better without any reasoning or logic as to how it does for you it just makes you look stupid.
Same with iPhone apologists telling me how the advanced features of my phone are actually a bad thing because it would confuse simpletons and the uneducated. I could care less about how a tech-illiterate would use my phone, but I do like a notifications system that actually works, real multitasking, being able to download files from the internet, having a filesystem so i can transfer files without a bloated, intrusive, buggy media player, love tabbing browser, love customizing my phone to the way I want to use it.
Again works for me, while most apple products expect every user to have the exact same basic needs, email, web, phone, "Apps" and will never support any cool features because it would confuse the primitives that use it, but hey I guess it works for them.
I use OS X in a VM on my PC so that I can use xCode. I hate OS X, I hate the green plus button, I hate the dock and how unintuitive it is compared to the windows smartbar, I hate having to close and application by righting clicking the dock, I hate how half you screen is taken up by menus and various strange GUI elements in simple programs, or how there is no maximize and you can only re-size a windows by its left corner so you're constantly suck wasting half of your screen. I hate how the menu items are always on the top, I hate having to press command instead of control like it is on any other modern OS. I hate how installing programs requires me to mount a compressed drive, then copy over the program, then unmount. How is that supposed to be easy for new users?
I can go on and on about how OS X doesn't work for me, and I'm sure that allot of people agree with me. So when you say *x* works better without any reasoning or logic as to how it does for you it just makes you look stupid.
Same with iPhone apologists telling me how the advanced features of my phone are actually a bad thing because it would confuse simpletons and the uneducated. I could care less about how a tech-illiterate would use my phone, but I do like a notifications system that actually works, real multitasking, being able to download files from the internet, having a filesystem so i can transfer files without a bloated, intrusive, buggy media player, love tabbing browser, love customizing my phone to the way I want to use it.
Again works for me, while most apple products expect every user to have the exact same basic needs, email, web, phone, "Apps" and will never support any cool features because it would confuse the primitives that use it, but hey I guess it works for them.
TheCompBoy
Android Enthusiast
Great vid man!
Do actually believe that lol?
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Ok, then how do you suggest people do their research? Regardless of what you decide to buy, you will find fans, detractors, crazy ideas not at all based in the real world. You will discover happy fools, sad idiots, complete morons, and excessive fandom surrounding absolutely every consumer product you can name. This leaves poor little me and you trying to navigate through the BS to fine meaningful data to support our buying decisions.
OK, so I want an iPhone. I ask a few friends about it. Great, no problems, they say. I read reviews of the iPhone on the web. Again, great product. It does this and that and something else I think I need. I Google the iPhone and I start reading great reviews. It is manufactured by a major company long known for great products, so I purchase it.
If I am like the vast majority of consumers, I do not spend any time on the web discussing which ROM to DL or how best to JB my device. I seldom argue about how great my purchases are with a bunch of people on a forum; when I do, it is a case of what works for me, what I need or want in a phone, and other factors that only matters to me and my situation. I can justify my phone and it has nothing to do with fandom or Apple hate.
You will fine fanboys everywhere. I am sure there are big fans of Dyson products such as myself. I know there are Bose "fanBoys" out there. Hells Bells, there are people arguing at this very moment about if a Music Nib (Fountain Pens) is good or bad, not to mention, which brand of bottled FP ink is better or if Celluloid is really better than casein or if cellulose acetate rules, period.
Every consumer product seems to have Fanboys and forums and in the end, it don't mean crap to most people that simply like their products and think we are a bunch of crackpots for debating an endless argument that will never be resolved.
We do our research as you suggested, but that can be a useless experience. For every great review, there is a "that sucks" review and visey versey. If I am newborn and I arrive here and ask questions about the iPhone and if it is as good as an Android phone, you can well imagine the responses. Does that count as research? Even though we all know there are those people that choose to answer a tech query that are absolutely wrong. So that was a waste of time.
Try participating in a Nikon camera forum or a professional photography forum. Same exact crap and tired arguments. Cannon is better, no Nikon rules. Fact is Leica rules the top and that is that. (Smiley) No seriously.
I know that there are some products out there that are clearly and demonstrably better than the competition. Yet when I point out a few actual facts in a forum dedicated to the "other guys" I will not escape with my life. Surely no conversions to my side.
So the best thing to do is do not play the game.
Bob
widehead
Android Enthusiast
It's not about belief. This is what has actually happened to me and everyone else I have asked.
I'm perfectly willing to admit that perhaps there is a simple solution to the PC-slowdown-and-picking-up-malware-over-time issue but I am ignorant of what that is.
If you could explain how to maintain a PC at optimum speeds without picking up any virus etc over a two year period without reinstalling windows, running scans for malware etc I'd be eternally grateful.
Until that time I'll stick with my macbook pro. 2 years down the line and it's just as fast as ever.
widehead
Android Enthusiast
Your distaste for the UI is understandable. However these are essentially superficial quibbles.
I mentioned that PCs act like filters for online malware - collecting trash as they go. And that they s-l-o-w-d-o-w-n horrifically over time. Compare this with a Mac - 2 years in and my macbook pro is still running as fast as it did when I bought it despite the fact that I use it for hours and hours every single day.
*x* works better. Not just for me. It works better, period. And take note - this is a issue of functionality at a deep level and not superficial quibbles over the UI.
You do realize Apple's latest marketing tactic is a sign of their fear of Android? That's why Jobs just had to mention it at the iPad2 launch when he never acknowledges competitors, unless they pose a serious threat.
iOS is starting to show its flaws as the Honeycomb tablets make their debut. That's why iOS users are clammoring for iOS 5 begging for widgets and better notifications (i.e. all the things Android does better). That's why iPad owners are justifying the crappy cameras and iPhone users are hyping the idea of getting 8MP Sony cameras in iPhone 5.
The one thing Apple does better is the centralized iTunes store for music, videos and podcasts. But their books app is a dim second to Kindle. This is where the Amazon/Android alliance gets very scary for Apple. They are on the verge of losing their content dominance. And they know it.
FWIW I am very new to the mobile computing world. I dabbled in Windows CE for years but didn't get my first modern mobile OS devices until last year. I started with an iPad, branched out to a Touch 4g, upgraded to iPad2 and just came home with an LG Optimus to delve into Android. I'm shopping for an Android tablet this summer. I see reasons to like both OS's. And I know well how easy it is to get sucked into the Apple way. It's not just their one-stop shop of iTunes for music, videos and podcasts. It's the wealth of 3rd party accessories for speakers, chargers and other gadgets. The search for a decent iPad case alone is a lesson in how to make/spend money.
iOS is starting to show its flaws as the Honeycomb tablets make their debut. That's why iOS users are clammoring for iOS 5 begging for widgets and better notifications (i.e. all the things Android does better). That's why iPad owners are justifying the crappy cameras and iPhone users are hyping the idea of getting 8MP Sony cameras in iPhone 5.
The one thing Apple does better is the centralized iTunes store for music, videos and podcasts. But their books app is a dim second to Kindle. This is where the Amazon/Android alliance gets very scary for Apple. They are on the verge of losing their content dominance. And they know it.
FWIW I am very new to the mobile computing world. I dabbled in Windows CE for years but didn't get my first modern mobile OS devices until last year. I started with an iPad, branched out to a Touch 4g, upgraded to iPad2 and just came home with an LG Optimus to delve into Android. I'm shopping for an Android tablet this summer. I see reasons to like both OS's. And I know well how easy it is to get sucked into the Apple way. It's not just their one-stop shop of iTunes for music, videos and podcasts. It's the wealth of 3rd party accessories for speakers, chargers and other gadgets. The search for a decent iPad case alone is a lesson in how to make/spend money.
Outlaw71
Android Expert
Hey guys you know what I really like to do?
I love looking around for things I own, then jumping on the internet and telling people about that thing that I own, and how much I like it. Then I enjoy reading their responses, and how they don't own that thing that I own, but they own something similar and they really like it. Then I really love telling them that they're dumb for liking that other thing that they own, and should get rid of it and buy what I own. Then I give them a list of reasons of why they should do so, which usually consists of...
1. Because I own it.
2. Because I really like it.
3. Because the thing they own sucks.
At that point they usually respond with a list of reasons why I'm wrong, and why I should instead get rid of the thing I own and get what they own. Their list usually looks kinda like this...
1. They own it.
2. They really like it.
3. The thing that I own really sucks.
Once I read their list I like to tell them that everyone I know or have ever talked to thinks what I own is really awesome, and what they own sucks ass. To which they usually reply that everyone they know or have ever talked to completely worships the thing they own, and thought only crazy people owned the thing I own.
I can litterally chose any item I have in my house and have that exact conversation with people on the internet. You guys should try it. I'm telling you, it's sooo much fun, you're really going to love it!
I love looking around for things I own, then jumping on the internet and telling people about that thing that I own, and how much I like it. Then I enjoy reading their responses, and how they don't own that thing that I own, but they own something similar and they really like it. Then I really love telling them that they're dumb for liking that other thing that they own, and should get rid of it and buy what I own. Then I give them a list of reasons of why they should do so, which usually consists of...
1. Because I own it.
2. Because I really like it.
3. Because the thing they own sucks.
At that point they usually respond with a list of reasons why I'm wrong, and why I should instead get rid of the thing I own and get what they own. Their list usually looks kinda like this...
1. They own it.
2. They really like it.
3. The thing that I own really sucks.
Once I read their list I like to tell them that everyone I know or have ever talked to thinks what I own is really awesome, and what they own sucks ass. To which they usually reply that everyone they know or have ever talked to completely worships the thing they own, and thought only crazy people owned the thing I own.
I can litterally chose any item I have in my house and have that exact conversation with people on the internet. You guys should try it. I'm telling you, it's sooo much fun, you're really going to love it!
Outlaw71
Android Expert
No way bro, my bell bottoms are way better than your parachute pants because there aren't so many zippers on em like yours have. Also, the corduroy material of my pants needs washed a lot less than the nylon your pants are made out of.
Also, when I put my pants on...... they just work.
Also, when I put my pants on...... they just work.
Outlaw71
Android Expert
Man I just asked all of my friends, and they all agree that my bell bottoms are soooo much more comfortable than your stupid parachute pants! I only paid half as much for my bells as you did for your chutes, and the material on my pants are 3 times that of yours!
You probably don't even know how to zip all of those zippers anyhow. I bet you just bought em because everyone else has em!
You frickin sheep!
You probably don't even know how to zip all of those zippers anyhow. I bet you just bought em because everyone else has em!
You frickin sheep!