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Illegal Immigration simply cannot be tolerated any longer.

^^ While some of you guys can work on the Math... can you count 4 decades? We usually say "almost" 40, when we cross 35 yrs... its just that - a figure of speach. The fact some people will get side tracked and will begin to look at the "hole in the donut", is not uncommon. They just miss the donut - hence the proven stupidity.

Anyhow, I'm sure we have idiots who support the illegal system, which is why it WORKS! Same idiots are probably in favor of the gun control too. And they're so dumb, they don't even know what the term means. It means control the illegal guns, and stop the use of a gun - illegally. Some people need to get familiar with the illegal term. And some of the morrons who support them, don't even realize it's your tax money that THEY get for free. OH Wait! Such idiots probably don't have a job and live off govt & tax payers' money anyway...
 
J03 said:
for all you know his dad worked his butt off for 5 years while waiting for his green card. 40 years of working his butt off but only being in the US for 35 years.
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And you're the expert on .. what now?

Apparently, some people have spent most of their lives with their heads stuck in the sand. Look around dude, Engineers, doctors, scientists, and highly qualified people are imported to U.S by the U.S companies & govt - due to the Lack of such skills here. The Green card is handed to them at the airport, on arrival. That's not illegal, that is serving the U.S with the skills they have...:rolleyes:, to fulfill the NEED - which then contributes to the success of our Nation.

I'm guessing a lot of illegals are reading these forums; sorry if I hurt your feelings.

There's only 2 choices we have (IMHO). Either we close the borders, or let 'em open all the way... heck, let every illegal/terrorist come, right? That would make some of you very happy... My only hope is, if the later is gonna happen, they inform us first. At least some of us can stock up on ammo! ..hee..hee..lol.
 
I think we all agree that illegal immigration must be stopped.

I loved how the media was all over ppl in the government "wanting to change the constitution" to make "anchor babies" not U.S. citizens.

They're purposefully misinforming the public. All they were wanting to do is apply a law already on the books. There's a law that states any if a foreign diplomat that has a child born in the U.S, that child is not an American citizen. Period.

Why not apply this to every child born of illegal immigrants? I don't care if you're from Mexico or Canada. If you're here illegally, your children shouldn't automatically be U.S. citizens and you shouldn't have any rights beyond the basic legal ones - if that.

No right to health care, no right to public assistance, period.
 
[General] Mayhem;1676338 said:
No right to health care, no right to public assistance, period.
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Quick note on that... health care is NOT a right. It's a privilege... at least before the healthcare reform bill. My friend's younger sister will finally be able to get at least some form of healthcare. Before, she was denied left and right because of her preexisting conditions.
 
Vihzel said:
Quick note on that... health care is NOT a right. It's a privilege... at least before the healthcare reform bill. My friend's younger sister will finally be able to get at least some form of healthcare. Before, she was denied left and right because of her preexisting conditions.
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IMO, the only ones who should have a right to healthcare are legal children under the age of 18.

We have something here in Texas called CHIP that covers them. I believe it covers pre-existing conditions as well.
 
[General] Mayhem;1676338 said:
I loved how the media was all over ppl in the government "wanting to change the constitution" to make "anchor babies" not U.S. citizens.

They're purposefully misinforming the public. All they were wanting to do is apply a law already on the books. There's a law that states any if a foreign diplomat that has a child born in the U.S, that child is not an American citizen. Period.

Why not apply this to every child born of illegal immigrants? I don't care if you're from Mexico or Canada. If you're here illegally, your children shouldn't automatically be U.S. citizens and you shouldn't have any rights beyond the basic legal ones - if that.
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That's not a law, that's part of how the Amendment is worded.
 
i just find it hilarious that something the border states(CA, AZ, NM, TX) have been bitching about for more than 30 years has finally become a "national" problem now that illegal south and central Americans are now in YOUR state.

gotta love the "not in my neighborhood" attitude of this country.
 
batgeek said:
i just find it hilarious that something the border states(CA, AZ, NM, TX) have been bitching about for more than 30 years has finally become a "national" problem now that illegal south and central Americans are now in YOUR state.

gotta love the "not in my neighborhood" attitude of this country.
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Oh no! How dare we announce National problems! :eek:
 
it was a national problem when it was raised by the border states. nobody cared until it hit thier state.

not that hard to figure out huh?
 
Want to live here then abide by our laws,go through the citizenship process.If anyone doesn't want to do that leave and stop costing us more so they can pay less.It's the citizens of this country that worked,pd.taxes and fought & died to preserve our way of life!Freedom isn't free for anyone.
If they're here illegally then they aren't paying State,Federal or SS taxes,so no free passes.
 
no, you just don't get it. you never will. it's a very simple concept.

i never said you were right or wrong. i never said the significance is currently downplayed. i just said you don't understand the concept that it was a national problem back then, as it is now, but it never came to the forefront until illegal immigrants started showing up in states other than CA, NM, AZ, and TX(and to some extent FL). pretty simple huh?

you hear Mexico is building a fence between Chiapas and Guatamala?
 
[General] Mayhem;1676876 said:
IMO, the only ones who should have a right to healthcare are legal children under the age of 18.

We have something here in Texas called CHIP that covers them. I believe it covers pre-existing conditions as well.
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I don't think that referencing a Medicaid program gives proof that anyone has a right to healthcare. Or are you also implying that poor people have a right to healthcare? That seems odd to me.

(FYI: CHIP is a subset of the Medicaid program; it increases the federal match on Medicaid for children and their mothers and thus provides an incentive for states to improve coverage for that portion of the population. CHIP, being Medicaid, would cover pre-existing conditions. Since it's not itself a health plan, though it is frequently provided by MCOs.)

If anyone has a "right" to healthcare, then everyone has a "right" to healthcare.

Vihzel: I suspect you're miswording what happened to your friends sister. HIPAA requires that plans offer you health insurance if you have had creditable coverage for the past 18 months (i.e. was on her parents health insurance plan). The issue is that either her coverage dropped (and thus she was no longer subject to the creditable coverage requirement) or her pre-existing condition drove her premium past what she could pay. Not that she wasn't offered insurance. There is a distinction. You're also ignoring the programs that are in place to help people like her -- high risk pools.
 
zauper said:
The issue is that either her coverage dropped (and thus she was no longer subject to the creditable coverage requirement) or her pre-existing condition drove her premium past what she could pay. Not that she wasn't offered insurance. There is a distinction.
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Absolutely, especially since it is my understanding that the Health Care Bill doesn't deal with how big your premium is. They WILL offer her Health Insurance. The Question becomes "will she be able to afford what they offer?"
 
byteware said:
Absolutely, especially since it is my understanding that the Health Care Bill doesn't deal with how big your premium is. They WILL offer her Health Insurance. The Question becomes "will she be able to afford what they offer?"
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I was referring to her current situation, actually.

In 2014, the health insurance exchanges will go live. When the exchanges go live, if you're looking to buy insurance as an individual, there are a few key parts:
1) The health reform law limits the things that can be used when generating the premium (i.e. pre-existing conditions, age rating bands, etc) which could adjust your individual premium [as opposed to the 'general' premium for your state, if this makes sense]. This means that if you're healthy you'll be paying more, but if you're sick you'll be paying less.
2) The premiums under the exchanges will be set, you pay the same premium for any plan within each class, which is determined by the actuarial value of the plan.

Whether or not someone will be able to afford it is still a relevant question, but made far less relevant by the scaling subsidies up to 400% of the FPL.
 
can't say the obama administration isn't doing anything:

The Obama administration announced Wednesday that in the past year it has deported a record number of unauthorized immigrants - more than 392,000, about half of whom were convicted criminals.

washingtonpost.com
 
meek_reese said:
can't say the obama administration isn't doing anything:

The Obama administration announced Wednesday that in the past year it has deported a record number of unauthorized immigrants - more than 392,000, about half of whom were convicted criminals.

washingtonpost.com
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To paraphrase an old fishing adage, when you spring a leak in a boat which do you do first? Bail out the water rushing in or plug the hole and stop the influx of water? ;)
 
WAdude said:
Thats because most, as in 99.99999999% (dont go on the internet looking for an exact number please) of illegal immigrants are Mexicans. And to be honest, the only reason they come here illegaly is because liberals shield them with the whole ''your a racist'' thing
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I think you are correct to a point: It might not be 99.99999999...% but it is indeed a big percent.

Here are a few ideas for everyone to quote as they mightily complain about my racism and Un-Americanism (Not you specifically WADude)

We can't gather "them" all up and ship "them" all home. To difficult and unreasonable. So, we do this:

If you knowingly give jobs to illegals, you pay huge fines. Not huge in a "It will be tough, but I think we'll manage to pay it" sort of way, but a "Were totally screwed; totally, totally, totally" sort of way.

I love the word 'Draconian.'

House an illegal, and draconian punishment. Huge fines, jail, perhaps loss of property if found guilty and you can't pay. Perhaps the IRS will help; they take property every day from those that fail to pay; lets create thousands of new collection jobs.

Sanctuary cities: Draconian, Draconian, Draconian. They loose government money and the masterminds in office that allow it to happen, well, perhaps a perp walk to a jail to await years of legal problems and ultimately, a little jail time comes to mind.

Toss a Governor, city manager, or whatever in jail and sanctuary cities go away.

When we catch illegals, they go to a holding cell; Gitmo Style comes to mind. They get a speedy trial, sent back home, and they loose their "Right" to come back to the United States of America. Trials can be fast; it is certainly clear that you are either here legally or illegally.

We end the Title 8 (?) laws. If a child is born here to illegal parents, well, the family will need three seats on the bus back to holding or whatever place they escaped to start their new lives as criminals in the US of A.

The great thing is, we only need a few years of government doing this and eventually, people will get it that the government is no linger screwing around. They mean what we say, and we will suffer greatly if we deal with any illegals.

To be fair, we adopt the same rules and laws that exist in Mexico, concerning illegal immigration. Read the Mexican laws and I am not so unreasonably crazy.

Bob "The Warden For a New America" Maxey
 
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