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Illegal Immigration simply cannot be tolerated any longer.

...if we didn't pay what we do for health care, you wouldn't have the level of care you do...

It's kind of like Defense Spending.

We spend big on defense, so all of these other countries don't have to...
I don't know if the US has 'Doctor, Doctor' jokes, so this might be lost on those without a British sense of humour reference.

Man walks in to the Doctor's office: - "Doctor, Doctor; I've one arm longer than the other!?"

Doctor: - "You have a massive chip on your shoulder."
 
Care to back that up with proof?

I would like to see the same type of system implemented here.

A three panel judge reviews lawsuits before they go to trial.

If the suit is determined to be frivolous, that is a mark against the lawyer. Three frivolous lawsuits and they are disbarred.

Worthy lawsuits go through and the victim compensated, and frivolous lawsuits are prevented, and doctors are protected.

Seems like a good system to me.

We need to do this:

1 - End state insurance mandates
2 - Tort reform
3 - Allow states to sell insurance across state lines

Bob Maxey
 
Legalize marijuana so the masses can be easily controlled and also tax it. It will also kill the cartels. With the funds create new jobs specifically towards rounding up the bad illegals. The honest good living illegals are charged amnesty but are taxed heavily for the X number of years they avoided IRS. And in addition the illegals should be sent to the Army as grunt forces in order to prove there worthiness to be a legalized citizen.
 
We need to do this:

1 - End state insurance mandates
2 - Tort reform
3 - Allow states to sell insurance across state lines

Bob Maxey

No, cause they would create competition that would effect profit margins. It would effectively end the insurance monopoly and capitalism would take effect to the point where the best provider would get all the business.

And people said the insurance companies aren't going to benefit from this mess.:rolleyes:
 
Legalize marijuana so the masses can be easily controlled and also tax it. It will also kill the cartels.

I have general, but cautious agreement with legalization, however I wonder about the drug cartels activities with other than marijuana, especially cocaine; I don't think they would be "killed" by the legalization of weed, although they would be impacted.
 
We need to do this:

1 - End state insurance mandates
2 - Tort reform
3 - Allow states to sell insurance across state lines

Bob Maxey
Hey Bob, I have a question for you. Do you know the reason why insurance costs currently vary by state?

If you can answer that question, you'd know why selling insurance across state lines is problematic and wouldn't solve any of the cost problems -- in fact, it would probably make it impossible for out-of-state companies to compete. Oh, but wait -- you're ending state insurance mandates? So my state can't decide that it wants a certain set of minimum benefits (say, that you should cover pregnancy) for all people within the state? Hmmm, this is looking a lot like a states right issue now.

(Not to mention the difficulty in establishing a network in a new area unless you're buying one).

No, cause they would create competition that would effect profit margins. It would effectively end the insurance monopoly and capitalism would take effect to the point where the best provider would get all the business.

And people said the insurance companies aren't going to benefit from this mess.
Insurance companies are losing a lot of money, net-net on the change. Their profit margins are tiny compared to other industries, as well. You don't know anything about health care, or health reform, do you? You made that clear enough in the other thread.

Also -- insurance monopoly? I think you're confused -- any health insurance company can sell insurance in any state presently. There is no monopoly. They choose not to for a variety of reasons.
 
Hey Bob, I have a question for you. Do you know the reason why insurance costs currently vary by state?

Since Health insurance premiums are a closely guarded secret, it's unlikely ANYONE knows the real reason.

If you can answer that question, you'd know why selling insurance across state lines is problematic and wouldn't solve any of the cost problems -- in fact, it would probably make it impossible for out-of-state companies to compete.

You mean.. unlike now?

To compete in Alabama, a health insurance company would have to create another company (that they own) and that company could ONLY sell insurance in Alabama where BCBS has 83% of the market. How do you break into a market where ONE company already has 83%, and that's the ONLY market you CAN sell to? That's a HUGE barrier to competition.

Oh, but wait -- you're ending state insurance mandates?

You confuse Insurance mandates, with insurance laws. Mandates are the requirements that WE MUST HAVE insurance. Insurance laws are those passed by the state that effect which benefits insurance companies can and cannot offer within that state.


So my state can't decide that it wants a certain set of minimum benefits (say, that you should cover pregnancy) for all people within the state? Hmmm, this is looking a lot like a states right issue now.

Only one state, that I know of, has a minimum benefits law (and that is bankrupting the state). All others allow their citizens to opt out of having health insurance.

(Not to mention the difficulty in establishing a network in a new area unless you're buying one).

Seriously? When it's simply a branch of your current business, that's easy. Just open an office and start selling. Send representatives to bid for contracts with corporations and governments.

When it is a small part of your business, the expense/returns are fairly profitable. However, when you are talking about it being your ONLY business. If you don't get someone else's customers fast enough, your business goes under.

Insurance companies are losing a lot of money, net-net on the change. Their profit margins are tiny compared to other industries, as well. You don't know anything about health care, or health reform, do you? You made that clear enough in the other thread.

you do realize that they broke profit records this year.... right?

http://hcfan.3cdn.net/a9ce29d3038ef8a1e1_dhm6b9q0l.pdf

Also -- insurance monopoly? I think you're confused -- any health insurance company can sell insurance in any state presently. There is no monopoly. They choose not to for a variety of reasons.

As I stated above, a company CANNOT sell insurance across state lines without incorporating in that state.

For instance, BCBS doesn't sell in Alabama. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alabama sells Insurance in Alabama. That's a separate company, owned by BCBS.

Companies choose not to, because they are effectively barred from doing so.

One company in this state has 83% of the market. You can fight for them if you can draw on the income from your 83% of your state's market. If your only income is from the state you are trying to break into... then you will not survive.
 
Hey Bob, I have a question for you. Do you know the reason why insurance costs currently vary by state?

If you can answer that question, you'd know why selling insurance across state lines is problematic and wouldn't solve any of the cost problems -- in fact, it would probably make it impossible for out-of-state companies to compete. Oh, but wait -- you're ending state insurance mandates? So my state can't decide that it wants a certain set of minimum benefits (say, that you should cover pregnancy) for all people within the state? Hmmm, this is looking a lot like a states right issue now.

(Not to mention the difficulty in establishing a network in a new area unless you're buying one).


Insurance companies are losing a lot of money, net-net on the change. Their profit margins are tiny compared to other industries, as well. You don't know anything about health care, or health reform, do you? You made that clear enough in the other thread.

Also -- insurance monopoly? I think you're confused -- any health insurance company can sell insurance in any state presently. There is no monopoly. They choose not to for a variety of reasons.

One big reason is state mandates. We all pay high premiums because of things we really do not need. If we do not need to be covered for In-Vitro Fertilization or substance abuse. You really need to do your homework and look at the silly crap many insured people must pay for because it is mandated by your local government.

Also, it is not strictly legal to sell medical insurance across state lines. This is one of the big issue with the republicans that want insurance reform; again, do a little research.

We have a long history of selling insurance across state lines; auto and motorcycle insurance comes to mind.

Bob Maxey
 
Since Health insurance premiums are a closely guarded secret, it's unlikely ANYONE knows the real reason.
Apparently you didn't understand my question. That's ok -- I'll explain. There are a set of reasons for why it varies by state, but the largest of them are the state laws regarding what benefits must be offered. In a world where any policy could be sold across state lines, without regard to state regulation of what policies must contain, the obvious answer is you could just buy the cheapest policy, even if in your state certain things had to be covered. That's why it doesn't work.

You mean.. unlike now?

To compete in Alabama, a health insurance company would have to create another company (that they own) and that company could ONLY sell insurance in Alabama where BCBS has 83% of the market. How do you break into a market where ONE company already has 83%, and that's the ONLY market you CAN sell to? That's a HUGE barrier to competition.
Alabama? Which insurance markets are you referring to? Let me guess: individual and/or small group. The reason why those markets have less competition is because they're less profitable, and a lot more fluid. (it also helps that the population size of the individual/small group markets is substantially less). Were you aware that ERISA plans (the plans that most employers use, and most people are covered under) are exempt from all these requirements?

There's also the fact that you have to build a network in order to compete -- without a network, you aren't able to enter a market. You could of course buy one, but those networks tend to not be very complete and also tend to cost more than if you negotiate the contracts with individual providers yourself.

Of course, I have to wonder if there is such a monopoly, what allowing folks to sell across state lines would do to break up the monopoly? In 2008, there were 11,521,238 people insured through the small group market. In 2001, there were 12,409,788. The non-group market had 6,700,000 enrollees*(According to AIS data. IIRC, the actual number is closer to 14M, but AIS doesn't have a breakdown of those). Of that market, individual BCBS plans had about a 45% share, with WellPoint having a 35% share. The rest was largely in 1-2% shares, with Humana having a 4.5% share.

http://www.ahipresearch.org/pdfs/2009IndividualMarketSurveyFinalReport.pdf
Premiums by State. Individual insurance premiums vary significantly by state, reflecting a variety of factors, including
premium rating and underwriting rules, differences in health care costs, demographics, and consumer benefit
preferences.
Table 3 (on page 6) illustrates average premiums reported in the survey by state for single and family policies.
Carriers were instructed to assign each policy to the state on which its premium was based, rather than to the state in
which it was originally issued. Data from states with relatively few policies reported by survey respondents are
included in the national totals, but are not shown separately.
Consistent with prior surveys, Table 3 illustrates that premiums tend to be higher in New England and Middle Atlantic
states with guaranteed issue and community rating rules. Of course, the data on premiums by state are more
uncertain than the national averages, because the response level in many states was relatively small. However, the
general patterns in this survey correspond with previous results, and continue to indicate that rating rules that allow
purchase of individual coverage at any time, or that substantially compress rates between older and younger
applicants, can be associated with higher average premiums.
You confuse Insurance mandates, with insurance laws. Mandates are the requirements that WE MUST HAVE insurance. Insurance laws are those passed by the state that effect which benefits insurance companies can and cannot offer within that state.
No, I didn't confuse them. Insurance mandates is a part of insurance regulation, which is a state right.
Only one state, that I know of, has a minimum benefits law (and that is bankrupting the state). All others allow their citizens to opt out of having health insurance.
Minimum benefits in the health insurance offered? That's false, they're the mandates you're referring to. The state you're talking about is obviously MA, and they're having issues for a variety of reasons.
Seriously? When it's simply a branch of your current business, that's easy. Just open an office and start selling. Send representatives to bid for contracts with corporations and governments.
You don't understand the interplay between the various different health insurance markets. The governments, for example, wouldn't qualify under your monopoly argument.

Additionally, things like Medicaid MCO contracts aren't included in this discussion; they're not small group or individual group market contracts. I'm also not even sure that a Medicaid MCO would have to be incorporated in your state to win one of the contracts. I'd have to look and see.
When it is a small part of your business, the expense/returns are fairly profitable. However, when you are talking about it being your ONLY business. If you don't get someone else's customers fast enough, your business goes under.
If a branch of your business isn't profitable, you can choose to get rid of it. You can start a company with as much feeder cash as it needs, considering it's a wholly owned subsidiary.
you do realize that they broke profit records this year.... right?

http://hcfan.3cdn.net/a9ce29d3038ef8a1e1_dhm6b9q0l.pdf
You're missing what I said:
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest 3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by Morningstar. That ranks 87th out of 215 industries and slightly above the median of 2.2 percent. By this measure, the most profitable industry over the past year has been beverages, with a 25.9 percent profit margin. Right behind that were healthcare real-estate trusts (firms that are basically the landlords for hospitals and healthcare facilities) and application-software (think Windows). The worst performer was copper, with a profit margin of minus 56.6 percent.
Profit margin is low. You're also ignoring (and that article ignores) the biggest factor in the increased "industry profit":
WellPoint sold a segment of their business for ~$2B.
The results included net after-tax income of approximately $2.2 billion, or $4.79 per share, resulting from a gain on the sale of the NextRx pharmacy benefit management subsidiaries ("NextRx"), partially offset by costs for restructuring activities and intangible asset impairments. Excluding these items, adjusted net income for the quarter totaled $536.0 million, or $1.16 per share (see page 14).
But facts? Why would we care about these things, you're citing political propaganda afterall.
As I stated above, a company CANNOT sell insurance across state lines without incorporating in that state.

For instance, BCBS doesn't sell in Alabama. Blue Cross Blue Shield of Alabama sells Insurance in Alabama. That's a separate company, owned by BCBS.
Yes, I know how insurance works. You don't understand how BCBS works, though. BCBS is an association. BCBS companies can go public; if they do so, they are bought by WellPoint.
Companies choose not to, because they are effectively barred from doing so.

One company in this state has 83% of the market. You can fight for them if you can draw on the income from your 83% of your state's market. If your only income is from the state you are trying to break into... then you will not survive.
I'll ask again:
83% of which market? How large is that market? Which set of markets? Who owns the rest of that market? How much market presence do other insurers have in other markets in that state?

One big reason is state mandates. We all pay high premiums because of things we really do not need. If we do not need to be covered for In-Vitro Fertilization or substance abuse. You really need to do your homework and look at the silly crap many insured people must pay for because it is mandated by your local government.

Also, it is not strictly legal to sell medical insurance across state lines. This is one of the big issue with the republicans that want insurance reform; again, do a little research.

We have a long history of selling insurance across state lines; auto and motorcycle insurance comes to mind.

Bob Maxey
Suggesting I do a little research when I know more about it than you do is rather amusing, Bob.

Yes, there are some things we don't need that are mandated (in some states). There are other states with no mandates. There are other states with practical things mandated (i.e. coverage for if you are pregnant -- that's a pretty standard one, because insurance companies had been refusing to offer it to women). Maybe you should be going to your state government about whatever it is that they mandate coverage for that is raising your premiums?

If, you know, you happen to be in either the individual or small group markets. If you happen to be in an ERISA plan, you would fall under the MENTAL HEALTH PARITY AND ADDICTION EQUITY ACT OF 2008, which would seem to indicate that that isn't such a silly standard, wouldn't it?

I know exactly what the Republican's stance on health insurance was. I also know why it's silly for them to be pushing on one hand to allow insurance to be sold across state lines while at the same time pushing for state rights -- if you have to modify your plan to sell it in my state, then it doesn't save you any money, and in fact costs you more money because you have to build out a network/etc.
 
I know exactly what the Republican's stance on health insurance was. I also know why it's silly for them to be pushing on one hand to allow insurance to be sold across state lines while at the same time pushing for state rights -- if you have to modify your plan to sell it in my state, then it doesn't save you any money, and in fact costs you more money because you have to build out a network/etc.

It is still our stance. We also believe in choice and a mandate is not a choice, hence the term 'mandate.'

I know you think you know more than me and perhaps you do. Then again, it is clear to me that you do not know what a state mandate is or just how silly these mandates are for most people.

Go to The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty and look at what is mandated. For example, 13 states mandate coverage for marriage therapists and 11 states have mandated acupuncture therapy coverage.

Being able to order basic health care insurance would be great and costs would be lower if we were not required to pay for crap we will never require.

Clearly you do not understand states rights. Yes, I believe in states rights but I also believe in the right to choose. In California, mandates drive up insurance costs by perhaps 50% or more an. d because of the mandates, the citizen has just a little less freedom

Removing mandates would significantly lower costs.

Bob Maxey
 
It is still our stance. We also believe in choice and a mandate is not a choice, hence the term 'mandate.'

I know you think you know more than me and perhaps you do. Then again, it is clear to me that you do not know what a state mandate is or just how silly these mandates are for most people.

Go to The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty and look at what is mandated. For example, 13 states mandate coverage for marriage therapists and 11 states have mandated acupuncture therapy coverage.
I said:
Maybe you should be going to your state government about whatever it is that they mandate coverage for that is raising your premiums?
Yes, a lot of the mandates are dumb. That's why I said that. Some of them are valuable. The idea behind them is a good one.
Being able to order basic health care insurance would be great and costs would be lower if we were not required to pay for crap we will never require.
The issue is that in some cases, there are particular things that health care companies were refusing to offer but were considered essential needs. For example, some companies would refuse to cover emergency room care, because they didn't consider it an emergency. As a result, states passed mandates that if a reasonable person considered it a medical emergency, insurance companies would have to cover it. Pregnancy is another good example -- insurance companies would refuse to cover the possibility of it for women. Now, amusingly, if a woman is too old to get pregnant, she still has to have that factored into her premium.

Know your emergency room rights - MSN Money
http://www.cahi.org/cahi_contents/resources/pdf/HealthInsuranceMandates2009.pdf

Also, the website you linked to doesn't really have a good system for finding whatever mandates you want me to find. The second website I linked above is better. Mandates are also handy because they allow you to pick a policy that will cover what you want. You express a desire for choice below, but the issue is that people didn't have the option to find this coverage before. If your choice is between no one being able to receive coverage for it, and everyone having to pay for coverage of it, which would you prefer?

I'd opt for everyone having to pay for coverage of it, assuming that it's reasonable. IVF I don't consider reasonable. Mental health parity? Drug coverage? I think that those are reasonable.
Clearly you do not understand states rights. Yes, I believe in states rights but I also believe in the right to choose. In California, mandates drive up insurance costs by perhaps 50% or more an. d because of the mandates, the citizen has just a little less freedom

Removing mandates would significantly lower costs.

Bob Maxey
Yes, removing the mandates would lower costs. It would also (like expressed above) allow significantly more exploitation of situations, and other things that are necessary to be uncovered. If there are things that your state mandates coverage of, perhaps you should be going to your state about them rather than saying that they shouldn't be allowed universally?

Amusingly, California is in the middle of the pact with regard to annual premium levels (~$3k for individuals; bottom was 2.6k, top was 6.6k then 5.1k NY is the really screwed up state in the individual market).

Allow me to stress this again:
The population of the U.S. that is effected by mandates, total, is aprox. 25M. Total pop is 307M. IIRC, you have about 45M on Medicare. 47M uninsured? Probably 15M on Medicaid, though that's just a guess. So... ~150M on ERISA plans? The majority of the covered population is through ERISA plans, which are exempt from state mandates. Point is, everyone but that first bucket, ~8% of the US population, is exempt from the state mandates.
 
You can't blame someone for wanting to give themselves/family a better life.

You were lucky enough to be born into a modern wealthy society, many weren't and whilst laws may very well be laws, lets not forget that the USA is founded on immigration - Not that long ago actually.
 
You can't blame someone for wanting to give themselves/family a better life.

You were lucky enough to be born into a modern wealthy society, many weren't and whilst laws may very well be laws, lets not forget that the USA is founded on immigration - Not that long ago actually.

Legal immigration, don't YOU forget that.

Wealthy, certainly. I think if you want to take part, you should come here legally.

Bob Maxey
 
Legal immigration, don't YOU forget that.

Wealthy, certainly. I think if you want to take part, you should come here legally.

Bob Maxey

And so someone who is being persecuted, or who cannot afford to feed their children should simply accept the shitty card they were dealt in life? Or as any/most parents would, do something about it.

You should worry more about the corruption/fat and lazy people in your country, not those trying to get them selves a better deal in life.
 
And so someone who is being persecuted, or who cannot afford to feed their children should simply accept the shitty card they were dealt in life? Or as any/most parents would, do something about it.

You should worry more about the corruption/fat and lazy people in your country, not those trying to get them selves a better deal in life.

Or maybe . . . they should try and change their country for the better and not drag ours down to the level of theirs. If it were simply a matter of persecution there wouldn't be an argument. I can't remember turning back anyone escaping from the cold war era communist nations. As it stands we are still the only country not enforcing border laws. Heck even Mexico enforces their border laws better than we do ours as evident by U.S. citizens being held for illegal crossings.
 
Or maybe . . . they should try and change their country for the better and not drag ours down to the level of theirs. If it were simply a matter of persecution there wouldn't be an argument. I can't remember turning back anyone escaping from the cold war era communist nations. As it stands we are still the only country not enforcing border laws. Heck even Mexico enforces their border laws better than we do ours as evident by U.S. citizens being held for illegal crossings.

Level of what? You live in a country that doesn't even provide free healthcare for its own people, the very people who keep the country afloat. People in your country die every day because they cant afford to be treated. What sort of a nation is that?

The problem is you are born into a life that is "im alright Jack" or "look after number one" I have lived in the States and know the mentality, it is the most paranoid nation on the planet and I have lived in Cambodia who up until a few years back were getting murdered by the very people they were supposed to trust.
You live in a society so backward people carry guns as a way of protection, so backward people are free to lambaste gays and anyone who doesn't fit the 'typical' American ideal. The reality is it is fear of the unknown, fear of what you don't trust because you are taught not to understand.

I have traveled all over the world and have seen children hours from death due to poverty. Children so hungry their parents boil stones on the stove until their kids fall asleep. I dont for one minute blame them for wanting to escape that.
What gave you the right to have and them the right not to have?
 
Level of what? You live in a country that doesn't even provide free healthcare for its own people, the very people who keep the country afloat. People in your country die every day because they cant afford to be treated. What sort of a nation is that?

The problem is you are born into a life that is "im alright Jack" or "look after number one" I have lived in the States and know the mentality, it is the most paranoid nation on the planet and I have lived in Cambodia who up until a few years back were getting murdered by the very people they were supposed to trust.
You live in a society so backward people carry guns as a way of protection, so backward people are free to lambaste gays and anyone who doesn't fit the 'typical' American ideal. The reality is it is fear of the unknown, fear of what you don't trust because you are taught not to understand.

I have traveled all over the world and have seen children hours from death due to poverty. Children so hungry their parents boil stones on the stove until their kids fall asleep. I dont for one minute blame them for wanting to escape that.
What gave you the right to have and them the right not to have?

Hard work gives me the absolute right to have what I have. Not reforming "their" government gave them what they got. We live in a country that gives us the RIGHT to Keep and Bear Arms, by the way.

Also, we live in a country where new arrivals - legal arrivals - can work hard, and make a fortune. We live in a country where illegals will not be turned away from an emergency room. We live in a country that is free.

And if we are so backward, why do they want in?

There is nothing wrong with the American Ideal. We are about workings hard, not about a free lunch.

Bob Maxey
 
Hard work gives me the absolute right to have what I have. Not reforming "their" government gave them what they got. We live in a country that gives us the RIGHT to Keep and Bear Arms, by the way.

Also, we live in a country where new arrivals - legal arrivals - can work hard, and make a fortune. We live in a country where illegals will not be turned away from an emergency room. We live in a country that is free.

And if we are so backward, why do they want in?

There is nothing wrong with the American Ideal. We are about workings hard, not about a free lunch.

Bob Maxey

The US government waded into a war, Vietnam for example (one of a few i could choose) with the best intentions, completely ****ed up the whole country and then left red faced. Those effects are felt even now. Aren't those people owed something in return? I could quote you a number of books that would have you in tears in what has been done "in the name of freedom"
Afghanistan and Iraq are two recent examples.
Lets talk to them about freedom.

In the US you experience a freedom you take for advantage, a freedom other yearn for. The American dream is alive and well for many people.

You were born into such freedom, you did nothing for it. Why can't other people enjoy that too?
 
The US government waded into a war, Vietnam for example (one of a few i could choose) with the best intentions, completely ****ed up the whole country and then left red faced. Those effects are felt even now. Aren't those people owed something in return? I could quote you a number of books that would have you in tears in what has been done "in the name of freedom"
Afghanistan and Iraq are two recent examples.
Lets talk to them about freedom.

In the US you experience a freedom you take for advantage, a freedom other yearn for. The American dream is alive and well for many people.

You were born into such freedom, you did nothing for it. Why can't other people enjoy that too?

Well, I am an American. I, as an American are granted those rights. I did not need to earn them, they are guaranteed. Those that come here illegally, are not Americans and they have no such right.

Is this simple enough for you?

Bob Maxey
 
Lahey: where are you from?
I'd guess somewhere in the British Isles...
Defo not Amero like

EDIT:
Ithink Lahey's point is that why are we giving out about Illegal Immigration when we are screwing these countries over.
I've made this case before, but Mexico, it got there (to crappo-country-land) largely itself
 
Originally from the UK and whilst I am typing this from the green pastures of Yorkshire I live in Singapore.

Bob Maxey has decided that by pure chance he was granted freedom as a birth right, and that anyone else should deal with it.
I find that ignorant and believe that it is human nature to want to provide a better life for yourself or your family.

I doubt we will ever agree.
 
Originally from the UK and whilst I am typing this this from the green pastures of Yorkshire I live in Singapore.

Bob Maxey has decided that by pure chance he was granted freedom as a birth right, and that anyone else should deal with it.
I find that ignorant and believe that it is human nature to want to provide a better life for yourself or your family.

I doubt we will ever agree.

If being an American is not a birthright, what is it? I have rights granted to me because I am a citizen of the United States. Can't be simpler. You, if you are not American, do not have the same rights I ehnjoy simply because you are not a citizen of the United States of America.

Bob Maxey
 
If being an American is not a birthright, what is it? I have rights granted to me because I am a citizen of the United States. Can't be simpler. You, if you are not American, do not have the same rights I ehnjoy simply because you are not a citizen of the United States of America.

Bob Maxey

Everyone deserves a shot at life Bob. Not just those lucky enough to be born into it.
 
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