Root Important post by P3droid (For GB users especially)

[PACAnesFan]

+2 the way i see it i pay for my equipment and i dont use my tethering to jack their data......so i have no problem using my supplied equipment to its fullest capabilities

+3. Running rooted, deodexed, stock GB. Smooth as silk. Even the Blur widgets are running great.

I did feel 'dirty' for a bit though for using Blur.

 

[Deleted User]

I did feel 'dirty' for a bit though for using Blur.

It's okay. Blur is a dirty, misbehaving mistress who needs to be spanked to keep her in line. Clearly Motorola disciplined her with the whips and thumbscrews and now she's obedient again.

 

[Metfanant]

Ah Martimus, GREAT info bro. Very enlightening, and educational. It's stuff like that that can make a guy rethink his whole stance surrounding the policing they do! Lol

agreed

Metfan, sorry if that post came across as a personal attack bro, that wasn't my intention. If it came across like I was angry in that post, I wasn't. Those were merely my opinions of Google versus the opinions expressed by others here (not just yours, there were other accusations of this context that I was debating against) that came (mostly I think) from that article about them 'squeezing their grip' on Android.

its alright...it was a heated discussion...its natural, it happens...

For the record, that article is written by someone who was (I feel) making accusations of his own that may or may not have had any factual foundation behind it. Everyone has their own opinions and biases. I have mine, he has his, everyone else has their own. So if mine came off sounding as if I feel my opinions are somehow superior to everyone elses, well don't worry... I don't take myself too seriously, you probably shouldn't either.

that may be the case...i was just using the article as a base because i was directed there by a poster to show me how Google is changing their stance, and going against the OEM's and carriers...

... if by 'having a hand in', or 'neck deep in this crap' this refers to the spyware being implemented by Verizon to see who's rooted so they can throttle your data, I don't see where Google would have any interest in doing so as that would adversely effect their revenue. (IMO)

what i meant by 'having a hand in' or being 'neck deep' was that they are in bed with these companies...making money off each other...

if my best friend is a bank robber...i don't rob banks with him, but he gives me money and gifts...im benefiting from his behavior...i may not be committing the crimes, but im still neck deep in his crap...

... I don't see where you can tie Google into taking away Android. Their new stance is designed primarily to keep Android from becoming fragmented so badly. They want to have a consistency among Android devices hardware wise so that when they come out with updates, they can be rolled out to all devices. Right now this isn't the case because a lot of devices don't have the necessary hardware to allow for it.

certainly not taking away Android..but they are not exactly crusading against the locked bootloader...their answer up to this point has been the Nexus phones...which is great...but its not just Android that has brought this community together, but the modding community as well...and that is going the way of the Dinosaur unless things change...

Anyone who doesn't agree with their new stance is welcome to do so, but I personally see it as a good thing. We've seen soooo much bickering on these boards by people who bought an Android device and then never recieved an update, or couldn't do the things other Android devices could do... and they always end up blaming Google for it. That criticism is unjustified of course, but it doesn't stop it from happening. So if Googe is seeing all of this blame getting thrown their way, and they've finally had enough of it and are saying, "ok let's make a standard set for Android devices so our name doesn't get dragged through the mud anymore", then I'm behind that decision.

i do agree with this completely...

However i will say i don't want to be forced into a Vanilla experience anymore than i want to be forced into a crappy themed experience...

and i've also got to be honest...Sense, and Blur(the NEW Blur mind you) make AOSP Android look absolutely stale and boring...i could do without the bloat...but they are both drop dead gorgeous compared to AOSP...

It might mean they aren't completely open anymore, but if being completely open means getting a bad reputation, then why remain completely open???

this is somewhere where i think people misunderstand my stance...

im not arguing that Google should remain completely open...Im just arguing that Google (and their loyal supporters) need to be honest with themselves, and the rest of us...don't pretend that Android is completely open, and condemn other companies for clamping down...but give Google a pass when they do the same things...that is all...i just see hypocrisy on the part of Google fans...its ok for Google to do things...but not anyone else...

I think Google DOES need more control over the OS...there is a reason that iOS just freakin works...because Apple controls EVERYTHING...

I've said this many times...I LOVE my DroidX...and its the best phone i've ever used...but i have many friends with iPhones...and ANYONE that says a DX works as smooth as an iPhone4 out of the box...is a straight up liar...and i won't put an "in my opinion" on that statement, because i consider it to be fact....now with some tinkering my X is as smooth as iPhones...but not when it came out of the box...

and part of the reason for that is that Apple has such tight control on their system (and probably because they have a lot more experience in creating OS's than Google)...so Android will certainly benefit from Google taking more control...

... I guess you could say I'm very bias in this stance because I posted a thread in the Android Lobby about a month or so ago that was my list of things I wished Google would do with Android to clean up all the messes some of the OEMs were creating with the OS. And it seems as though they were listening to me because a lot (not all) of what I had said I wished they would do, is what they seem to be doing now.

So naturally, I tend to disagree with the above statement as it seems to me that they do care about those people who have felt like they're getting screwed by the fragmentation. But of course just like everything else in life, not everyone is going to feel the same way about it.

Personally i think its more that Google is looking out for their own interests...and the things that they are doing happen to align themselves with what you want in Android...

... within these statements I felt like the article was either misunderstood, or the article itself got it wrong. Because the above makes it seem as though now everyone has to send in their devices one by one to Google, have them look it over, and check everything off individually in order for it to be cleared for production, and sold to the public.

That isn't the way I understand it to be. Although I don't claim to know everything about this issue, the way I understand it from the articles I've read, if Google doesn't like the direction a certain OEM is taking their supplied OS, then they reserve the right to pull all of their registered products from that device.

my point still stands though...Google has had almost a year now to look at Motorola and say "hey! we don't like what you're doing with the bootloader...stop..."

But, they have not...and not only that but HTC has begun locking bootloaders, and according to P3 all Samsung devices are now coming with encrypted bootloaders...

while they may not need to approve every single device, this is obviously a trend that they are well aware of...and if they were planning to stop it, i would imagine they would have informed the OEM's by now...

Who would argue with that decision?

nobody, i wouldnt!...my concern is that they have not really done anything about the most glaring of problems...and the only reason i can think of for this is that their money is more important...

That's no different from sponsors pulling their contracts with Tiger Woods after his affairs hit the news tabloids. If they don't want to be associated with a man who doesn't have a character they want their name to be associated with, they have every right to distance themselves from him. Likewise, if Google feels like an OEM has created a device that either doesn't live up to their standards, or isn't going to be regarded as a quality device, then why shouldn't they have the right to pull their products from it? Why should they have to have their name associated with a product that they feel could give them a bad reputation?

completely agree...but what are they doing?...i know they are doing small things...but what about the bootloaders? that is what is killing the community the most...

This is a move to protect their brand. That's just smart business. They've taken a lot of flack for not doing just that up until this point. Just because they're finally realizing they should do so a little late in the game, doesn't mean they shouldn't try to at all. Better late then never (as my mamma always says).

completely agree...though i just don't see them flexing their muscles and getting all our bootloaders unlocked, or forcing new phones to be unlocked...

... this I feel is an unfair criticism. Throwing 'they just want to make money' at ANY company I feel is an underhanded tactic. Because it makes anyone sound as if they are ruthless, coniving, greedy, and evil... when in fact making money is naturally the pursuit of any and every company in existance. It's unfair to throw that at anyone because you can't point out any company out there that isn't concerned about making money. And if there was a company out there wasn't at all concerned with it, more than likely they aren't a company any longer.

And this doesn't just go for Google. I've stood up for Apple, Versizon, Motorola, Kawasaki, Axiom and several other companies in various posts on this forum, and other forums I'm active in all over the internet. It's easy to bring that up to make a company look bad, but it's a frivolous attack because the definition of any company is selling things to the public for financial gain. An entity that doesn't take money for their services is not considered a company, they are considered a foundation or a non-profit organization.

So just the fact that they are a company means we can assume they want to make money. Can't hold that against them.

i didn't mean it to be ruthless...or to put them down...just to put them in-line with all the other corporations...

i just don't like seeing people calling out Moto or Big Red as evil, yet holding Google on a pedestal...i was just trying to point out that ALL of them are in the same boat

Sure they have. They've benefited by putting the internet in more peoples hands than before. This was the whole strategy behind Android. Increase the smartphone market. Dumbphones didn't get internet, so let's get more smartphones in peoples hands.

BOOM... as a direct result of Android, ALL of the other players have had to raise the bar. Which means that smartphones are so attractive to consumers now, they're converting over to smartphones in droves. Which benefits Google all around. It isn't just the Droid that has increased Googles revenues, it's the smartphone market as a whole.

This is why I said that Verizon/Moto doesn't intimidate Google in the least. It wouldn't matter if Moto dropped Android altogether and created their own OS (which is a rumor that's going around), because Google would make money off of it as well. They've already accomplished their goal, they've made us all addicted to having a smartphone in our pocket to get on the internet through out the day on. Which is why they could shut down Android today and it wouldn't matter, someone else would come around and fill the void.

Not that I think they'd do that. Just pointing out that Android is not as vital to Google as many people seem to think it is.

absolutely

... it seems to me this is a contradictory statement. 'If they were as open as they want us to believe, they would squash the locking down by the OEMs'... open means OEMs can do whatever they want... including locking them down. However, squashing the locking down of bootloaders for example would be a effort to keep things more open for the consumer.

And I don't know if that's what they're attempting to do or not, but if it is then you could say that they are consumer friendly.

in a sense it is contadictory...but offering unlocked bootloaders is the most open option here...

... this I feel like is a bias of the author of that article. Like I said, everyone has their own opinions. I feel as though this is just his opinion (but then I guess, that's just my opinion, lol). I don't think it's really all that clear yet why Google hasn't released HoneyComb yet. There has been much speculation, but that's all it is... speculation.

Some of the speculation is that they don't want the Android tablets to become as fragmented as the phones have. That they want to make sure the OEMs who are using it, use the hardware it was designed to run on. Now, is this completely open? I'd agree that it's not. But like I asked earlier, if remaining completely open means destroying credibility, and becoming the joke of the electronic community, then why remain COMPLETELY open?

agreed

Many are jumping on the bandwagon now that Google is just a greedy, evil little company like everyone else in this world because they aren't quite as open an OS as they were in the past. But what many fail to take into consideration is what they're closing off, and why? If they saw that the way things were going, Android as an OS had peaked and were now starting to spiral towards failure, wouldn't it be a good decision to try to avert that?

Again, I don't claim to know what Google is thinking. But that's just as good a guess at what they're doing as any other guess flying around the internet so far.

i don't think they are evil...just that they make decisions with their wallet, like any other corporation

... ok on this point I can't really debate this very intelligently unfortunately as I'm not really all that computer smart. All I know is that I was in on a debate in the Android Lounge a while back about rooting, and someone much smarter than me pointed out that OEMs can not make a device that cannot be rooted. Something about the very nature of software that makes creating a root-less OS impossible.

If anyone else here knows what I'm refering to please feel free to fill us in... or refute that statement entirely if that's the case. Like I said I really don't know the ins and outs of ROMs and the like, I'm just going by what someone else said when they wrote that there is no danger of OEMs creating an OS that cannot be rooted because there is no such thing.

well as for Android the sheer fact that "root access" or "super user" ability exists means that it will be impossible to create an un-rootable OS...

its not like there is a rule somewhere that says "When you make an OS, you must leave at least one crack in the security so they can root it." But it just means that its probably impossible to create security that is un-hackable...with enough time/effort/knowledge...somebody will crack it...

look at the PS3...tool them almost 5 years, but it was cracked...

This would clear up all of the concerns people are bringing up thinking that pretty soon we won't be able to root our devices. As far as I understand it, we never have to worry about that.

we will always BE ABLE to root...the question is will it become so difficult to do so that it becomes impractical, and by the time root is achieved, everyone has gone on to the next big thing...

look at the X...less than a year into its life its been outclassed by multiple phones, and that is ALWAYS the case...as the TBolt, Atrix, and Bionic will be outclassed probably within 6 months of their releases...

if the security becomes so hard to crack that it takes 6 months for hackers to break it...then root becomes useless because all the devs will have moved on...

look at the GB leak!...we had to install pre-rooted versions...presumably because obtaining root was exceptionally difficult...it required you be rooted to obtain root for crying out loud lol...that will be IMPOSSIBLE on a new device...

Ok so all that being said, I just enjoy coming on here to debate things with other people, solve problems I'm having, or discuss matters with people who know more than I do. I certainly don't take anything personally, or try to make things personal with other members. Hotly debated issues are simply that IMO... hotly debated issues. Sure we can get worked up from time to time about things we're passionate about. That's what passion does to a person.

+1

But just becaus I personally disagree with someone elses views, doesn't mean I think any less of that person. In particular, I usually agree with most of what Metfan posts and thinks. For instance...






... these viewpoints I feel are dead on. And one reason I'm not all that concerned with anything P3 put in that post is because I personally don't have a problem with Verizon flagging me for rooting my phone and denying me a warranty claim because I would never try to turn my device in under warranty after rooting it... because rooting it voids the warranty. So by all means, flag me for being rooted, I don't care at all. If this helps keep Android an open OS then I'm all for it. It seems to me that's why all these measures are being put into place now anyway, because of all the money they're losing on devices returned under warranty that people have bricked while trying to ROM, or theme after they've rooted. So I can stand behind Verizon 100% on that issue.

Also as Metfan points out, I too have tethered my device to my computer, I won't deny that. But I also don't blame them for trying to take measures to protect their service from being stolen. I'm not mad at them for that.

Actually, I'm not mad at them for anything yet. If I was, I'd change carriers like I have in the past. My statements regarding Verizon pertained to all of these scenarios people are throwing around about things they feel Verizon MIGHT be thinking about doing. Like denying us service if they find out we're rooted. I don't mind them denying any warranty claim I might make if they know I'm rooted, but I certainly wouldn't be mad if they cut me off for being rooted. First of all I don't think they'd stand a chance in court in defending their right to do such a thing, because I don't think they do have a right to do so. And secondly, that would just leave me the freedom to go to a different carrier without having to pay a cancellation fee.

So why get mad?

agreed!

 

[eulerphi8]

I thought speed was capped across the board during peak hours by design. A tower can only take as much as it can take. So if demand overloads ability, then everyone's speed drops.

I thought that was how it worked anyway?

Right but everyone's taking a hit then. Isn't that the problem, that the towers are overstrained during peak hours and need to throttle everyone? If people paid for their price levels, then at the very least, people who are putting more strain on the network by using a lot bandwidth will be paying more because of it. I just don't see it as a limited resource problem where there's only a certain amount of data that can be delivered but the rate at which the data can be delivered per second. Of course the two are two sides of the same coin. But taken to the extreme, imagine giving everyone 1GB to use and everyone uses it during the same time every day, then you're still going to have to build a ton of towers to handle that peak hour traffic. However, your towers will be sitting idly for the rest of the time.

 

[Outlaw71]

It's okay. Blur is a dirty, misbehaving mistress who needs to be spanked to keep her in line. Clearly Motorola disciplined her with the whips and thumbscrews and now she's obedient again.

Wow, I never realized Moto was such an X-rated company?

 

[Deleted User]

Wow, I never realized Moto was such an X-rated company?

You think that's bad, you should see their Christmas party.

Caligula has nothing on Motorola's senior management.

 

[Metfanant]

You think that's bad, you should see their Christmas party.

Caligula has nothing on Motorola's senior management.

pictures or it didn't happen!!

 

[MyTjSux]

Shouldn't they be satisfied we are all mostly running blurred anyways.....lol

 

[PACAnesFan]

You think that's bad, you should see their Christmas party.

Caligula has nothing on Motorola's senior management.

Where do I send my resume? Lol.

 

[Outlaw71]

Ok just a few points of interest here...

what i meant by 'having a hand in' or being 'neck deep' was that they are in bed with these companies...making money off each other...

if my best friend is a bank robber...i don't rob banks with him, but he gives me money and gifts...im benefiting from his behavior...i may not be committing the crimes, but im still neck deep in his crap...

This seems to be a rather broad stroke to me. While I undestand the theory behind it, I still don't think you can say Google has a hand in what Verizon is doing simply because they make money off of Verizon. You can have a business partership with someone, and not completely agree with their business practices.

It's like saying anyone who does business on the internet has a hand in distributing child porn. Just because child porn can be accessed over the internet doesn't mean everyone else on the internet is ok with that.

certainly not taking away Android..but they are not exactly crusading against the locked bootloader...their answer up to this point has been the Nexus phones...which is great...but its not just Android that has brought this community together, but the modding community as well...and that is going the way of the Dinosaur unless things change...

my point still stands though...Google has had almost a year now to look at Motorola and say "hey! we don't like what you're doing with the bootloader...stop..."

But, they have not...and not only that but HTC has begun locking bootloaders, and according to P3 all Samsung devices are now coming with encrypted bootloaders...

while they may not need to approve every single device, this is obviously a trend that they are well aware of...and if they were planning to stop it, i would imagine they would have informed the OEM's by now...

Again, I can't debate this intelligently either, but from what I've read by those who know more than me, Google can do absolutely nothing regarding OEMs locking bootloaders. The OEMs claim that they are protecting proprietary information and code locked within those bootloaders. Google has no grounds to try and force them to unlock them. It would be like Coca-Cola telling Kentucky Fried Chicken if they want to be able to serve Coke products, then they have to make public the 11 herbs and spices in their secret recipe.

Naturally we all wish there was something Google could do about it since we dislike the locked bootloaders. And since I personally don't think there's anything locked in those bootloaders that anyone really wants... but that's just the way it is (from what I understand). But Googles own Nexus series of phones have always had unlocked bootloaders. So long as they stay that way, that tells me that Google is all for unlocked bootloaders. They just can't do anything about what other OEMs are doing with theirs.

im not arguing that Google should remain completely open...Im just arguing that Google (and their loyal supporters) need to be honest with themselves, and the rest of us...don't pretend that Android is completely open, and condemn other companies for clamping down...but give Google a pass when they do the same things...that is all...

... no worries. I agree that they seem to have made it so that Android isn't as easily attainable as it has been to this point, which means no, it's not completely open. I just don't necessarily see it as a bad thing yet, because I haven't seen the way they're going to weld this power.

So far it isn't really clear what they are or aren't going to do. So I'm going to wait and see just how they do handle it before making any decision of my own. Up to this point all we know is that they aren't happy with the way certain things are going. I don't think anyone knows just exactly what those things are that they're unhappy about.

Personally i think its more that Google is looking out for their own interests...and the things that they are doing happen to align themselves with what you want in Android...

... yes.

i didn't mean it to be ruthless...or to put them down...just to put them in-line with all the other corporations...

i just don't like seeing people calling out Moto or Big Red as evil, yet holding Google on a pedestal...i was just trying to point out that ALL of them are in the same boat...

... same boat being that they want to make money? Agreed.

But what I read when I see, "they don't care what these other guys are doing cuz they just want fat wallets" is that no matter what these other businesses do, it's all fine and dandy with Google because they are making money off of them. And I honestly don't believe that's the case. But that's just my opinion, I could be dead wrong.

I just feel that Google released the Nexus series of devices to try to lead by example, and if the other OEMs didn't want to follow that example, then at least the consumer would have a choice to have a device designed the way Google intended them to be made. So far I don't see any other OEMs following that example, though I wish they would.


It looks to me like our disagreements in this matter are anchored in different understandings of the way things are. I don't know that what I stated is 100% correct, it's just what I've gathered from this and other forums from other members.

 

[Wally World]

I'm SBF'ing back to 340 and going to Liberty 2.0. Didn't understand what you meant by ROM'd.
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You have to be rooted, and this won't help if they start tracking.

 

[byteware]

... no worries. I agree that they seem to have made it so that Android isn't as easily attainable as it has been to this point, which means no, it's not completely open. I just don't necessarily see it as a bad thing yet, because I haven't seen the way they're going to weld this power.

actually, that's not the case. Android is completely open. Google Proprietary apps (Gmail, Google Maps, Market, Google Voice, etc...) are not open. These are the leverage that Google is using to prompt some changes in the OEM's.

A phone without Google's proprietary apps is a non-starter.

 

[geno51]

So whats the overall concensus? is everyone keeping root? SBFback to stock? What seems to be the best course of action at this point?

I dont want to get smaked with huge charges (even though I dont use tether) But I sure do love my GB... I had way to many force closes on OTA stock froyo I cant go back no way

 

[yawdapaah]

So whats the overall concensus? is everyone keeping root? SBFback to stock? What seems to be the best course of action at this point?

I dont want to get smaked with huge charges (even though I dont use tether) But I sure do love my GB... I had way to many force closes on OTA stock froyo I cant go back no way

I'm on Drod's BlurryBread and waiting for GummyJar GB edition. At this point, it's too late to worry about root/no root.

@Wally: you haven't been around in a bit huh?

On topic:

I don't see unlocked bootloaders happening in the long run (at least on VZW and ATT). Android being open doesn't mean that we should be able to run non-approved firmware on the carriers' networks and even though I dislike that, I can't fault them for that stance.
Like Outlaw said, they have a right to protect their intellectual property. However, when we root the phones, we have access to every file on the device. So the obvious answer is to forbid/prevent root/adb and that's probably the endgame. In the end, we'll be forced to choose between Motorola's webtop and other inevitable features or having the freedom to develop our own roms, kernals, themes, optimizations etc...

In the heat of the moment, I decided to never buy a non-Nexus phone. But lets face the truth; eventually, stock Android (and even CyanogenMod) will pale in comparison to Sense (it already does in some areas) and BLUR and Touchwiz too (eventually). Maybe, the best we can hope for is that Google will somehow prevent (with whatever leverage they have) the inevitable fragmentation that's likely to occur (by virtue of the time it takes to dev these features) and somehow ensure that we, at the very least, have some options/tinkering available to us.

@Metfan: You are right. I am with Google NOW because what they are doing aligns itself with MY interests (as a consumer). When it doesn't, I'll complain. I've said it before and I'll say it again; OEMs, manufacturers etc... have enough money, lawyers and will to worry about their own interests. We as consumers should worry about ours and hope to (at least try) meet somewhere near the middle.

 

[cultldr]

So whats the overall concensus? is everyone keeping root? SBFback to stock? What seems to be the best course of action at this point?

I dont want to get smaked with huge charges (even though I dont use tether) But I sure do love my GB... I had way to many force closes on OTA stock froyo I cant go back no way

I'm staying, rooting, romming even though my About Me says otherwise. They (VZW) can kiss my you know what. It's my phone and I'm up soon for an upgrade / no ETF. I'm not saying I'm leaving VZW but all these carriers are just doing a money grab and that's fine but I'm going to exploit the system as long as I can because I love what all these developers have done and it's fun and I'm learning something.

I say flash away if that's what you like to do. If not, there's no shame going back to stock and wonder what the cool kids are up to now j/k

 

[mortymouse]

I posted this somewhere else, but thought I would post it here too. Please do not flame and do not take any disrespect to the devs or to anyone, but I do have a question.

If all of this was going on for months and months, why then was a pre rooted GB leak released by this same person? Thats just a question now, so do not flame. I just read all of this over the last few days and it seemed weird that the timeline of events went back so far, and during that same time things were being released and still are. If flashing to GB that was rooted put you on this "list" that Big Red is tracking on, why was it released at all?

Personally, it all seems strange to me. Not that it bothers me at all, honestly I don't truly even understand what is being said. That carrier's are tracking what we do or apps and things we are using that we should pay for etc? If thats the case, why all of the drama? Inst that expected? I am in all seriousness I have never seen so many people react to a post that was made by someone that most people do not even know (again no disrespect intended) ? I don't get the reaction. Personally, I think that if there was something to be said it could have been done in a much more direct fashion. To me, the post reads like a journal or blog entry and its veiled a bit. Seems a bit hypersensitive to me to be reacting as some are. What do I know........

 

[BIG CAT 7]

Until there is concrete evidence this is going to happen or actually is then this all is just hearsay. I could really care less cause for one I don't tether and two they aren't going to tell me even if I did what I am going to do with a phone I spent my hard earned money on. They can all go Eff themselves! (Meaning Carriers)

I will keep supporting and helping all the developers.. Especially if and when it means more freedom for our phones!!! The carriers can go to hell...

 

[eraursls1984]

actually, that's not the case. Android is completely open. Google Proprietary apps (Gmail, Google Maps, Market, Google Voice, etc...) are not open. These are the leverage that Google is using to prompt some changes in the OEM's.

A phone without Google's proprietary apps is a non-starter.

The market would kill android if removed, but the carriers would love it if the other stuff was removed so they could charge for an inferior product. They already try to get you to get Verizon maps for $10 even though you have better for free.

 

[Flying_Hellfish]

Why are so many people going to SBF back to stock? Is this all just a knee jerk reaction? Seems that most that are doing that are going to root Froyo anyway so why would that make a difference?

 

[MyTjSux]

Why are so many people going to SBF back to stock? Is this all just a knee jerk reaction? Seems that most that are doing that are going to root Froyo anyway so why would that make a difference?

see below

http://androidforums.com/droid-x-all-things-root/311911-so-light-news.html

lol

 

[bbuck002]

Oh my god! I just finished reading all 300 posts here!!! That's the last time I don't check into the forums over the weekend....hahaha Had too much hockey/baseball to pay attention to.

My thoughts...
-Just like with the petition to Moto, They don't care about our small community that responsibly handles rooting/romming/theming...it's the people that cost them money (by not acting responsibly) that cause them concern.
-ALL OF THIS, so far, is speculation.
-if you don't think you have been tracked all along (not just since GB but since my old ass StarTac) then I have to beachfront property in Arizona I'd like you to take a look at.
-We all knew this was coming...Go back to our conversations about AT&T and their data plans.
-Google is complicit in this, and I do think they are beholden to VZW/Moto especially b/c they wouldn't have a mobile division for Android if it wasn't for them. No one touched the original Android devices on T-Mo, and they had to pull the OG Nexus b/c no one was buying it. (people forget their history very quickly) I don't say this insinuating at all that Google needs Android, but it's still a large revenue stream.
-Also, don't forget that Google did not create Android, they bought it b/c they saw it's potential to make more money.

-Overall, I think the WHOLE idea and arguments on both sides should just wait it out and see what shakes out of the next couple of months. Google is changing CEO's back to Larry Page, and we will see what that leads to. I think Eric Schmidt did a lot of harm to Google (it just came out that he had search results changed to hide campaign donations, BIG FEC no-no)

Personally, I'm staying on my rooted GB b/c so far my X has run the best out of all other ROM's, stock or not. Bring on ApexGB...

-One last big thought...every bit of this has to do with Net Neutrality. Don't forget that Google and Verizon came out with that Net Neutrality agreement that was complete horseshit for the consumer. If you don't agree with me on this, then I suggest you do more research on what Net Neutrality really means. In essence we are now and in the future fighting for the free dissemination of information. The smartphone is the closest peice of technology yet to a true personal computer (my X has pretty much replaced my desktop and laptop in most situations). How the carriers charge us for data, and how they TELL us how we can use our devices is very crucial to this argument. In the direction it is currently heading, we the consumers are only going to pay more for less access, and access to information is EVERYTHING. Keep that in mind in this context. Not rooting seems like a small issue, but it is the tip of the submerged iceberg.

 

[bbuck002]

I'm not necessarily questioning P3's integrity here, but bear with me.

this whole thing seems really fishy to me...about the rooting being tracked...and anroid being closed down, if only a little...

a week ago we were all giddy that the bootloader was cracked, then that was a hoax.
I'm not saying P3 is hoaxing us (he has a lot to lose and really nothing to gain from that, and I really just mean followers)
But, to have this come out on the heals of the fiasco before, and the fact that Moto is supposedly about to address the bootloader lockdown policy, I just don't see how they can be going in both ways at once. On one hand they are hinting at openning up a device/devices for devs and advanced users and now on the other, we get crowdsourced info from a dev that says we are being tracked and possibly thrown out of the system for rooting our devices.
I consider myself to be an extremely analytical person, in fact it's what I do best, and there are warning bells and whistles going off all over the place.
To me this seems like the word problems you got on standardized testing and I'm filling in the bubble of "not enough information to solve the problem". P3 seems to be genuinely worked up over this, and when someone's conscience gets to them, it can be pretty messy.

long story short is, none of this makes sense.

Sorry for the new thread. Mods, please feel free to merge this, but after reading the whole other thread, no one brought up the fact that this could all be fluff.
Plus, like someone in the other thread said, right now, nothing is a higher priority than privacy. I don't see the legality of implementing secret tracking software to sniff out who is rooting and who is not. Shut down free tethering (that shouldn't be hard). But, the rest is pointless to attack. If you want to track users, go ahead, but make it public knowledge. It's the secret tracking that gets me. I can make a choice to not have you track me by not using your services, but only if its known.

I don't know, now I think I'm more just rambling. Please feel free to comment on this idea. It doesn't make sense to me...

 

[Steven58]

Thanks for saying this. I appreciate your insight. I merged the thread.

 

[bbuck002]

great, now everyone can see my rambling mind all in one go.

 

[bigshotproducer]

Anyone see this tweet from TeamAndIRC?

TeamAndIRC



@droid_life wish you had not jumped on that buzz, half his article is right, other half is very wrong.

and then the reply to me:

@BigShotProducR Multiple verizon contacts, some high ups, call BS, I was provided proof (that I Was told not to distro :/)