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Airmaxx23 said:
Keep in mind that I do not tether but the TBH app being pulled could be for several different reasons. If they are supposedly so concerned about stopping people from tethering they would pull the apps and avoid the problem completely. Why would Verizon spend all of the money, time, resources, etc. to "crack down" on something when they could just pull the apps and be done with it?
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According to TBH the app was pulled by Google for violating the TOS. If that's the case then either Motor or VZW probably requested for it to be pulled. Time will reveal to truth about this whole mess. It does seem like some people are trying to cover their own behinds though. It may be too late for that. As for the rest of us, stay away from unofficial tethering for now but enjoy root and whatever ROM floats your boat.
 
Airmaxx23 said:
Keep in mind that I do not tether but the TBH app being pulled could be for several different reasons. If they are supposedly so concerned about stopping people from tethering they would pull the apps and avoid the problem completely. Why would Verizon spend all of the money, time, resources, etc. to "crack down" on something when they could just pull the apps and be done with it?
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If I am paying for tethering a can use WIFI Tether, Barnacle, PDAnet or the Verizon app - whatever I want. The app itself is not a violation of TOS.
 
Why would pulling the apps fix it, anyway?

We can side-load apps onto the phone. It would just drive their distribution out of the regular Android market either to another market or to distribution through forums.
 
ad720 said:
If I am paying for tethering a can use WIFI Tether, Barnacle, PDAnet or the Verizon app - whatever I want. The app itself is not a violation of TOS.
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I'm glad someone else is finally saying this. I tried to make this point a while ago.


Also, for those worried about root breaking TOS - There is NOTHING they can do about you having a rooted phone. It wasn't that long ago that Steve Jobs tried to make it illegal to jailbreak the iPhone, and that case was dismissed as quickly as it appeared. Rooting will NEVER be illegal.

U.S. Declares iPhone Jailbreaking Legal, Over Apple?s Objections | Threat Level | Wired.com

The jailbreaking exemption has its limits | Politics and Law - CNET News



Although, that's not to say you won't ever see them try to file a lawsuit... as anyone who is following the news with geohot right now know. (Sony is going after him for jailbreaking the PS3, despite the outcome of the iPhone lawsuit last year.) I'm just saying... don't sweat it. No need to panic.
 
I don't have all the information, so I can't say this is for certain... but it seems to me by the post above that perhaps it was Wugfresh who was giving P3 his inside info. Then P3 had a spaz attack and freaked out the entire community. Then Wugfresh stepped in and cleared things up while at the same time rolled his eyes at P3 and said, "damn, can't tell you anything can I". At which point P3 begged him not to cut him off and promised to change his ways.

That's what I got out of that exchange. Could be wrong, I dunno. But if that is the case, seems like P3 put everyone through a bunch of drama over a very simple, and completely rational investigation by Verizon to figure out who or what was clogging their system up.

So all the SBFing, flashing back to stock, wiping phones memories, wrapping them in tinfoil and pitching them into the lake was a bit much. All we really needed to do was simply stop tethering illegally. Which, now that I say that, seems a lot easier said than done.

Perhaps he thought all this drama was necessary to get people to actually stop doing it for fear of ROM squads deploying to their homes. He used a page right out of the Bush administrations book, "How to Control the Masses using Fear"... by God, he's BRILLIANT!!!!




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Kevmueller said:
OK a little more graphic than I would say it but I almost agree 100% with him. If every one who used the wireless tether was using even 1GB a month tethering do you think Verizon would even care, it was not hurting their network in any way. Yes they are not getting the money for the mobile hotspot plan.

Looking at it from Verizon's side and what we have seen it looks like there was an issue and they found that about 5% of the users on the unlimited plan were causing the major issue. So Verizon's says we will throttle those users so they stop using so much data. The Sprint jumps all over this with the unlimited is unlimited no throttling marketing they were doing. So this puts Verizon in a spot where they have to do something else because this small group is hurting the network and they have a choice of paying big bucks to upgrade, or find away to get these users to stop, which brings us to where we are today.

I believe this is the 80/20 rule, 80% of us who used wireless tether (yes against the terms of service we signed (I look at this more as the speed limit is 35 and I am going 37, I am not harming anyone and more than likely a cop is not going to pull me over for 2 over)) were using it a couple times a month at the most for a very small amount of data and not even going over 5GB a month on our unlimited plan. While 20% of us were using it for a lot more and causing Verizon problems. So now we all have to live with these changes.
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I agree, screw it man, in the end vzw or another carrier will still have us by the balls and we will continue to pay
 
I read that guy's entire argument (or lack thereof). His point is that you should be allowed to tether if you have a cap and not to tether when you pay for unlimited data? What a crock.

If tethering is part of the plan, people who pay MORE for more data should not be cut out of it.
 
yawdapaah said:
I read that guy's entire argument (or lack thereof). His point is that you should be allowed to tether if you have a cap and not to tether when you pay for unlimited data? What a crock.

If tethering is part of the plan, people who pay MORE for more data should not be cut out of it.
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I don't understand what you mean?

His point is that if your phone's data plan has a data cap on it, tethering should be a free service because there is no potential for abuse. 5gb is 5gb, whether it's from a phone or a computer. The fact that you can consume a lot of data very quickly through a tethering program is irrelevant.

If you pay for an unlimited phone data plan, though, you have a huge potential for abuse through tethering, so the provider shouldn't feel obligated to give you free tethering. They are allowing you unlimited data on your phone, where it's harder to rack up huge data charges.

I agree with this and I sincerely hope VZW moves to some kind of tiered or metered usage, since it eliminates the whole question.
 
Kevmueller said:
I believe this is the 80/20 rule, 80% of us who used wireless tether (yes against the terms of service we signed (I look at this more as the speed limit is 35 and I am going 37, I am not harming anyone and more than likely a cop is not going to pull me over for 2 over)) were using it a couple times a month at the most for a very small amount of data and not even going over 5GB a month on our unlimited plan. While 20% of us were using it for a lot more and causing Verizon problems. So now we all have to live with these changes.
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the problem with your analogy is that currently the "law" (TOS) is not a 30mph speed limit...but it is a private street that we are not allowed on with our cars AT ALL without paying...

while i understand that the small amount of people abusing this service is not going to bankrupt Verizon at all...its still straight up theft of services...no matter how much is being stolen, its still being stolen...and no matter what level of stress it puts on the network, its still unauthorized, and shouldn't be there...

binary visions said:
I don't understand what you mean?

His point is that if your phone's data plan has a data cap on it, tethering should be a free service because there is no potential for abuse. 5gb is 5gb, whether it's from a phone or a computer. The fact that you can consume a lot of data very quickly through a tethering program is irrelevant.

If you pay for an unlimited phone data plan, though, you have a huge potential for abuse through tethering, so the provider shouldn't feel obligated to give you free tethering. They are allowing you unlimited data on your phone, where it's harder to rack up huge data charges.

I agree with this and I sincerely hope VZW moves to some kind of tiered or metered usage, since it eliminates the whole question.
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but this has been an issue with unlimited plans forever...with or without tethering i could sit for an entire month and CONSTANTLY download stuff, using up VZW's bandwidth...

what we need is not tiered data plans, but tiered tethering plans that are reasonable to add to your plan, instead of $20 per month regardless of usage...and reasonable fees for turning it on and using it in a pinch regardless of a plan...

it is a very useful feature, and can come in quite handy at times...i feel that all data plans should come with a small amount of tethering built in because it is very useful...and then we should be able to add $5, $10, $15, $20 packages to our plans as we choose...
 
faber78 said:
interesting read, though unlikely an issue; sounds like picasa?
anyway, wanted to post it up after bumping across it....
Gingerbread leak sends GMail info to Moto? Phoning home?
Suspicious activity notice on Gmail, from MotoBlur IP Address. What should I do? - Gmail Help
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This is a part of the MotoBlur garbage from day one of the X (and before I believe). I've had the suspicious activity happen to me twice on this phone, and I am running stock Blur (garbage).

Most people might not remember Motorola's first unveiling of Blur, but it was an aggregation service that used their servers to store/backup your contacts (because GMail wasn't enough apparently) and get your facebook/twitter notifications.

I don't use that crap (FB/tw*tter) but I did have the the Picasa account setup (that I never used since it didn't sync, and I had to side load the 3d gallery for that). I'm not fully buying their excuse as I never actually used my Picasa account on the phone to upload anything and all "suspicious activity" happened at 3am while I was sleeping.

More proof to me that Motorola shouldn't be doing software outside of drivers and I have no interest in buy another phone with a locked, encrypted bootloader.
 
gmenfan83 said:
Love the bluntness and raw and Uncut attitude but unfortunately many people in general wont be able to handle it due to the pc world we live in
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Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy the site. The inspiration behind the site is to go against the grain and give a middle finger to the PC people.
 
Everyone should take a Chill Pill and just calm down. The implications may look ominous, but we're not exactly at the brink yet, so let's just relax and keep an even keel until that day actually arrives. I certainly have no intention to "un-root" my Droid X - I enjoy Liberty 2.0 too much to do that - and go back to stock. Plenty of time to cross that bridge at a later date.

-Mike
 
binary visions said:
I agree with this and I sincerely hope VZW moves to some kind of tiered or metered usage, since it eliminates the whole question.
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BV, while this sounds like a great cure-all for everything that's going on, I am left feeling like Verizon in no way would ever want to go to pure metered usage. I say this because while we here are mostly 'power-users', the vast majority of those on Android phones likely never even get close to using over a gig of data. So on a purely metered plan Verizon would start to lose quite a bit of money.

Sure it's fair, not arguing that at all, it's just that they wouldn't make as much money on it unless they raised the price so that the average consumer would be paying what they're getting from us now. But then us power-users would have astrinomical bills. It's for this reason that I feel they should offer tiered plans to anyone who wants to tether. And unlimited to those who don't want to tether. But this will only work if they can figure out a way to disable tether completely. Which might not be possible.

So I guess we'll never have a completely fair choice of plans.
 
Outlaw71 said:
BV, while this sounds like a great cure-all for everything that's going on, I am left feeling like Verizon in no way would ever want to go to pure metered usage. I say this because while we here are mostly 'power-users', the vast majority of those on Android phones likely never even get close to using over a gig of data. So on a purely metered plan Verizon would start to lose quite a bit of money.

Sure it's fair, not arguing that at all, it's just that they wouldn't make as much money on it unless they raised the price so that the average consumer would be paying what they're getting from us now. But then us power-users would have astrinomical bills. It's for this reason that I feel they should offer tiered plans to anyone who wants to tether. And unlimited to those who don't want to tether. But this will only work if they can figure out a way to disable tether completely. Which might not be possible.

So I guess we'll never have a completely fair choice of plans.
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+1 Outlaw. I watch streams and a lot of youtube videos on my phone and haven't cracked 2GB yet. VZW would loose tons of money if they went to a tiered system.
 
Wow. I'm kinda shocked this thread is still going. I still hold my firm stance against unauthorized tethering despite all the arguments.

Wow...18gb last month mocruz? Thats rediculous...I don't think I've ever hit 5gb...but I am on wi-fi a lot of the time.
 
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