androy
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I got it.. I was just thinking about both sides.. It will be a sad day when/if the system partition is locked down like the bootloader is now.
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I got it.. I was just thinking about both sides.. It will be a sad day when/if the system partition is locked down like the bootloader is now.
eraursls1984
Android Expert
I'll take the older unlockable phone thank you very much
I'd rather have a phone that's a bit older, but that I can really customize to look the way I want, not to mention delete things that I don't want on there.
I'll get the newest/best phone available that's rootable. No release date buys for me, ill wait til it has root access. I can deal if it doesn't have roms but I have to have root, be able to make backups, change everything in the notification bar, and the notification bar itself, of course that's only if stock Rom doesn't lag
yawdapaah
Android Expert
Not only that, you may or may not be flagged for being rooted.
Bouchigo, would you want to give up on features like webtop?
For me it's a hard question to answer.
bouchigo
Android Expert
Not only that, you may or may not be flagged for being rooted.
Bouchigo, would you want to give up on features like webtop?
For me it's a hard question to answer.
Well if they are going to provide an unlockable phone and then give you grief for rooting, then what's the point?
And yes, I could give up webtop if I had an unlockable phone and they didn't make such a big deal of rooting.........just make it so people can't tether already, unless they pay for it.....hahaha
eraursls1984
Android Expert
Not only that, you may or may not be flagged for being rooted.
Bouchigo, would you want to give up on features like webtop?
For me it's a hard question to answer.
What does webtop do?
Metfanant
Android Expert
Good to see some of that stuff from Google
PACAnesFan
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^ Waiting to see what this is about...I don't think I have the patch applied, but I am going to unflash it anyway. Just to make sure.
And he is recommending something about the T-Bolt as well.
Edit: Wow...some major drama unfolding on P3's twitter.
And he is recommending something about the T-Bolt as well.
Edit: Wow...some major drama unfolding on P3's twitter.
bouchigo
Android Expert
You should, you can get news much faster that way.....that's the only reason I even have a twitter account
P3Droid on twitter: I was told that some users were getting 40 down, and it is not designed for that ... and it is being investigated
Metfanant
Android Expert
Seems so in regards to the TBolt issue
yawdapaah
Android Expert
Yeah, that's kind of sad if it was a troll. The fallout will be bad.
Anyway what's wrong with 40Mbps? The Engadget review unit was getting 38Mbps.
Metfanant
Android Expert
Im still inclined to trust him in regards to the hotpot hack however....
yawdapaah
Android Expert
True. Never liked the idea of the NVRAM hack. Wireless tether and Barnacle, I could live with (and used) since they were on Android Market. But the NVRAM hack always felt wrong.
nj02vette
Android Expert
I just wanted to chime in about Verizon's contracts. There's so much misinformation here.
As to people claiming they are going to sue Verizon for breach of contract, all I can say is keep dreaming.
Breach of contract would only be valid if Verizon stopped or limited your service but continued to charge you. Your "damages" due to breach of contract would be limited to those charges, and possibly any punitive or real damages resulting from the suspension of service (very, very, very unlikely).
The contract is to provide service on "their network" with you paying for that access. They can cut service to their customers at any time, for any reason (and yes, that is in the contract). Yes, that means if they decided to, they could use the list of rooted users and cut them tomorrow. In that situation, you would have no recourse for legal action.
There is one benefit though. If they break the contract, you don't have to pay them anymore and are released from any early termination fees. That's a win in my book! This also applies when they send you that little white envelope in the mail changing thier terms.
Rooting or jail breaking is not illegal, which means the Feds cannot show up at your doorstop and haul you away in cuffs. However, Federal laws do not necessarily apply to private matters. Just as you have the right to free speech, that doesn't mean that privately held internet forums like this one don't have the legal right to moderate postings. Same with Verizon. They absolutely CAN kick you off their network for rooting. Anyone thinking otherwise is just deluding themselves.
Now with all that said, I'm staying rooted until a time when I can't anymore. There is just too many benefits of a rooted phone. Verizon is in no way interested in rooted users, and I doubt anyone would get notified or see any sorts of different service. Tether'ers on the other hand are most likely be actively sought out. I can see Verizon tracking rooted users for possible warranty claims, but even then I think they'll only pull that card out for repeat claimers.
Verizon's business is heavily reliant on customer service. No scenario possible where they will go after any of their customers with criminal complaints. That would be way bad PR. Instead, they'll issue C&D letters to the tetherers and keep logs of rooted warranty claims. If the claim situation gets out of hand, or if too many malicious applications get on their network through rooted devices, then maybe they'll take action, but for now, everyone relax a bit.
As to people claiming they are going to sue Verizon for breach of contract, all I can say is keep dreaming.
Breach of contract would only be valid if Verizon stopped or limited your service but continued to charge you. Your "damages" due to breach of contract would be limited to those charges, and possibly any punitive or real damages resulting from the suspension of service (very, very, very unlikely).
The contract is to provide service on "their network" with you paying for that access. They can cut service to their customers at any time, for any reason (and yes, that is in the contract). Yes, that means if they decided to, they could use the list of rooted users and cut them tomorrow. In that situation, you would have no recourse for legal action.
There is one benefit though. If they break the contract, you don't have to pay them anymore and are released from any early termination fees. That's a win in my book! This also applies when they send you that little white envelope in the mail changing thier terms.
Rooting or jail breaking is not illegal, which means the Feds cannot show up at your doorstop and haul you away in cuffs. However, Federal laws do not necessarily apply to private matters. Just as you have the right to free speech, that doesn't mean that privately held internet forums like this one don't have the legal right to moderate postings. Same with Verizon. They absolutely CAN kick you off their network for rooting. Anyone thinking otherwise is just deluding themselves.
Now with all that said, I'm staying rooted until a time when I can't anymore. There is just too many benefits of a rooted phone. Verizon is in no way interested in rooted users, and I doubt anyone would get notified or see any sorts of different service. Tether'ers on the other hand are most likely be actively sought out. I can see Verizon tracking rooted users for possible warranty claims, but even then I think they'll only pull that card out for repeat claimers.
Verizon's business is heavily reliant on customer service. No scenario possible where they will go after any of their customers with criminal complaints. That would be way bad PR. Instead, they'll issue C&D letters to the tetherers and keep logs of rooted warranty claims. If the claim situation gets out of hand, or if too many malicious applications get on their network through rooted devices, then maybe they'll take action, but for now, everyone relax a bit.
My thoughts are the fact that PDANet is STILL available on the market!! if its really that big of an issue, why hasn't an app that allows you tether without even being rooted been pulled?? To me there are a lot of folks getting their panties in a wad when there has STILL not been any thing anounced by Verizon!!!! It would cost nothing for verizon to simply text all the users that they have on their lists and tell them to stop, yet they have not even done that. Why?
Kevmueller
Android Expert
You have to go in to clockwork recovery and apply the Zip just like you would if you were going to load a ROM.
Outlaw71
Android Expert
^^
This
I've said the exact same thing. Worst case scenario is they let you out of your contract and you become a free agent. If you've been illegally tethering for the past year, racking up 10, 20, 30 gigs of data per month, then this very well might be a legitimate concern. But simply rooting... that isn't costing them any money, so they aren't going to disconnect you just because you're rooted.
Verizon is SOOO concerned about keeping their bragging rights of being the 'largest US carrier' that when AT&T announced their bid to take over T-Mobile, they immediately started talking about taking over Sprint... just to hold on to that lead! So does anyone honestly believe they'd cut ties with all their root users just because? While root users only account for 5% of all Android (and jailbroken) devices, 5% of 30 million is nothing to sneeze at.
And when you take 5% off of Verizon's network and move them to AT&T, that's a 10% swing, which would put them in the lead more than likely. That's Verizon's worst fear. They certainly would never instigate a move like than of their own free will.
I didn't see this post. Steven, please combine the threads.
On topic:
These carriers are greedy as hell. Why do you want me to pay again for data when I'm paying you for unlimited data already? How does that make sense.
Maybe Sprint will offer a way out. The big two are getting out of hand.
Because while the bitch about bandwidth they still want to sell you a data plan for every device you have.
simple they want to sell you a data plan for all three devices and if they can't they lose money or so they think.
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