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Incredible, we're through. Android, you may be next...

@OP, sounds like you don't enjoy your phone. If you want to hate it, go get another one. Instead, try creating threads that have a clear outline of your issues so the wealth of knowledge here or at any other forum can help you out.

This here is really what it all boils down to. I love my Incredible, that doesn't mean that you are anyone else has to love it to. If you are not happy, get another phone that you think will make you happy. Either that or work to make this one better (aka - get a replacement) but that's all there is to it.

You win some, you lose some. That's life. For instance, I MUCH prefer MySpace to Facebook. I love the customization that MySpace offers, everyone's page is customized to fit themselves. Facebook is bland and boring to me and every page looks the same. You can only tell them apart by the 1 personal picture up top. Guess what? Facebook won. More people were happy with that than with MySpace. Hell, you don't even hear about MySpace anymore. It happens. The world keeps turning, you work with it and move on.

Anyway, what's so bad about "fart apps"? So long as they don't do anything other than make a noise, don't burn up your battery, or don't phone home your personal data to crime organizations!

There's nothing wrong with them. I have one myself and occasionally screw with people. I also used it to make the creepy guy who sat next to me in a movie theater move away because he thought I had terrible gas.

But you don't need 50 different app's that do the same thing. And that's what Apple's got.
 
You are correct, there are issues on the i-phone as well but % of problems to phones I would have to think it's much higher on the incredible.

If you really think the Inc. battery life is better than an I-phone you are flat out wrong. Using both it is not even close. I did not have to bring a charger to work with me with my I-phone. If I don't bring one with my Inc. I am dead by 3:00-4:00. FWIW, I do use it more than the avg. user but no more than my I-phone.

never said the Inc battery life is better than the I-phone, I just stated that my stock Incredible battery lasts longer than my friends I-phone battery with similar use, that's my experience, never said it would be true for everyone, and also just illustrates that I-phones can have battery issues also, but with an Incredible I can easily replace the battery, not so easy with an I-phone.
 
This here is really what it all boils down to. I love my Incredible, that doesn't mean that you are anyone else has to love it to. If you are not happy, get another phone that you think will make you happy. Either that or work to make this one better (aka - get a replacement) but that's all there is to it.

You win some, you lose some. That's life. For instance, I MUCH prefer MySpace to Facebook. I love the customization that MySpace offers, everyone's page is customized to fit themselves. Facebook is bland and boring to me and every page looks the same. You can only tell them apart by the 1 personal picture up top. Guess what? Facebook won. More people were happy with that than with MySpace. Hell, you don't even hear about MySpace anymore. It happens. The world keeps turning, you work with it and move on.

How sad it is that I like Android (Linux too), despite the fact that both are either useless or severely crippled by too much half-@ssed engineering. Much as I love the open-source concept, Android has proven that Apple's profit incentive works.

I will always be more drawn in by cute sci-fi icons than anything with the pronoun "I" in the name, but I am majorly disappointed to see one more sensation, promised by it 's fanboys to unseat market emperors such as Microsoft and Apple, go and fall on it's own sword. The droid had a shot at besting Apple, and then blew it with the battery consumption.

never said the Inc battery life is better than the I-phone, I just stated that my stock Incredible battery lasts longer than my friends I-phone battery with similar use, that's my experience, never said it would be true for everyone, and also just illustrates that I-phones can have battery issues also, but with an Incredible I can easily replace the battery, not so easy with an I-phone.

That's score one for Android! But the Inc battery replacement could still be easier than it is - shouldn't require either a screwdriver, or long fingernails! Anyway, how many times can that back cover be removed through brute force until the cheesy plastic latches snap away and fail on you?
 
Linux is actually one of the most beautiful systems ever created, but just how beautiful it is depends on whether you can get it running on the hardware which you have. The Linux promoters claim that their system runs on "most" PC hardware, but if you bought a non-Dell or non-HP to save money, and your ACER works as fine with Windows as any Windows hardware, you may not get the same results in Linux. Linux has some great ideas, and on actual SERVER computers it may actually be more stable, but I don't run servers, and I had a few crashes while running Ubuntu Linux. Some of the distros, being created by hobbyists, are just downright sloppy, and all too many applications which get accepted on the Linux repositories will do nothing but waste your time. Audio and video problems may never be resolved without buying expensive, new hardware. Linux has great ideas, but for all too many users the quality just sucks @ss, while the developers are too hung up on their own egos to deal constructively with their quality issues.

If you don't feel cheated that the "Emperor" (Google) did not pass it's free-system-savings on to you (as if any system ever developed really was free), than please don't invoke the argument which so many here have that Android is free. We, the consumers, don't like being lied to.

Point taken, I don't invoke the argument that Android is free. Linux my be a free Open Source OS and freely downloadable from the Internet but not necessarily ready to roll in any environment. In the case of Android, someone had to develop and adapt the core Linux OS to the hardware, which they did and those man and woman hours cost at least someone's invested time, therefore, not really free, as you said.

My point being, not being a free OS adaptation would seem to mean more, not less value to the end user and in my opinion the bottom line is, how much value does the hardware device with the developed, adapted, packaged and installed OS have for a potential buyer, how much does device cost and is the customer willing to pay it.

I don't take issue with any marketing that states that Android is based on a free OS although they may be better served to state that they leveraged Linux, a free already existing stable OS and adapted it to a mobile platform.
 
Well, this is my last word on this as it's not really relevant to the thread.

There is no Linux in the OS X kernel. None. It's not a "Unix/Linux mix". It's based on Mach, which was based on BSD.

I went to CMU and know the guys who developed Mach, and I've been running Linux continuously since version 0.12 (and have contributed code since 0.92 and am listed in the CREDITS file). I know this stuff inside and out. And you're wrong.

And I never called you a liar. I said that you had no idea what you were talking about. And based on your response, I've not changed my mind.

Fighting aside, hello to another CMU alum :)

I am more confused as to why the OP claims (multiple times) that Android has horrible process management, or multitasking. That is not true, especially post 2.1. I would like to know the OP's reasons for stating that.

-Nkk
 
hello to another CMU alum :)
Yo! 1980-1984 here.
I am more confused as to why the OP claims (multiple times) that Android has horrible process management, or multitasking. That is not true, especially post 2.1. I would like to know the OP's reasons for stating that.
From the OP:
"I found that android's multitasking wasn't very good at managing open apps. I found that I would sometimes have 30 apps running, even though I had just booted my phone."
It appears the OP is falling into the same fallacy that many folks do, thinking that many apps showing in the task list is somehow "bad" or "wrong". It's not. It's normal and it's perfectly okay. Now if some of those apps are badly written and are chewing CPU, that's a problem. But a lot of apps in memory? That's by design.
 
Fighting aside, hello to another CMU alum :)

I am more confused as to why the OP claims (multiple times) that Android has horrible process management, or multitasking. That is not true, especially post 2.1. I would like to know the OP's reasons for stating that.

-Nkk

Compared to the Palm OS (which has the drawback of no text-scrolling, and is wasted on tiny, cheesy plastic devices) the Android standard of real multitasking is a joke! Palm has a very useable, almost desktop-like system for switching between running processes - each is displayed on a "card", and killing any one of them is as simple as "flicking" it off your desktop with a gesture - hard to beat that for cool, and I'd be using that system now if I could get it installed and working on a decent-sized, not-plastic screen. Unfortunately, Palm (most recently purchased by HP after being passed around like a cheap whore) kept it's device offerings limited to what's good enough for only it's small core fanbase, and they have probably already discontinued support for this system.
 
This thread is sooooo funny.

I use my phone all the time. I can usually get to 8-11 pm on my stock battery. I dont have to many times because I plug it in around 4pm for a while and them again at bedtime. With a Lithium battery, there is no reason not to use a USB or outlet to charge when you can.

As for OS...... are you people serious? I dont care if Android is Mac, Linux, Unix, Unic, Unit, Linus, Minus, Midas, Mine, yours or ours...... it don't matter what you call it. Unless you expect a high end pocket laptop, I have a hard time figuring out how the phone disappoints.

The OS talked about jailbreaking iPhone but didn't talk about rooting his Incredible. Seems to me most people have found all the OP problems have gone away with smart researched root.

I am not root, I have had my problems, BUT this phone is soooo much better than iPhone FOR ME!

Well, I am done with my random reply for the day. Carry on!
 
Do you like your hotdogs with ketchup or mustard? Might as well be asking the samething because that is what this thread has become.

I have had my phone for a month or so and haven't had any problems. I rooted day 3 of having my phone all while researching almost every battery thread and was a battery nazi for half of the time I have owned my phone just about to the point where I hit 35 hours of uptime on one full charge + bump charge. I'm not talking about 35 hours of up time and 30 minutes of awake time. I'm about 6hours+ awake time with constant web surfing or emulator playing. Now, i have wifi & 3g constantly on and still get 18-20 hours of battery life on one charge with me constantly using it for the same amount of time.

I don't know what to tell you other than you got a jank phone or you just don't know what you're doing with your phone. My money is on you don't know what you're doing. You might consider taking the time playing with all the options. I don't just mean the options on your STOCK phone either. I am talking rooting your phone and use another ROM, switching out kernels, yatti yatti ya. I know it took me literally days to get my phone in order to where I even considered putting it down, lol. Should a PHONE, be this complicated? Probably not, but come on now, everyone knows these smartphones nowadays are mini laptop computers so if you're not up for the challenge then get a Zack Morris brick phone.
 
WOW! Somebody needs a nap!

I've had my DInc since launch day and the ONLY issue I've had is the battery life. I carry around a spare just in case, but usually charge it during the day several times.

As far as the iPhone goes, I've have several friends that have iPhones have "Buyer's remorse" when playing with my DInc. One of them have already had NINE DIFFERENT IPHONES in his first year alone!!!!

Problems are spread around in both camps! Just decide on your best fit and stick with it! If it's not the DInc, head elsewhere! Don't come on THIS forum, made up of HTC Incredible Owners and tell us how bad our phones are! (in YOUR opinion). To me it's the best phone ever! I wouldn't have an iPhone! Then again, I'm a grownup.

Each to his/her own.
 
Sounds perfect for the OP. January of 2012 is just in time for Any2!!!

Uhhh...that's a year later than all the Verizon iPhone hopefuls were expecting (including the OP) They're convinced it's January of 2011.
 
I have pages of apps and games on my Inc and previous Android devices. Sure, I get an occasional FC, but far less then computer issues.... Maybe one a day, likely due to memory allocation when the app launches. I customize the crap out of the devices too.

You (and some others) have a unique situation. Sure the battery isn't the best, but my stock battery lasts until I get home and I have Exchange email pushing to it all day and I do a ton of email and browsing and apps on it, not to mention text and talking.

I would say less than 3% of people, that don't have an actual defect, have this level of problems.
 
I am not even going to address the majority of your rant (I mean post :cool:) but this part amused me.

Android is SOFTWARE. Incredible is HARDWARE. Two very different things. Just like iOS is SOFTWARE, which iPhone is HARDWARE. So basically... I have no idea what you are talking about.

I will say this though. I paid less for my Incredible than every single person I know with an iPhone paid for their iPhone, iPhone 2, iPhone 3 or iPhone 4. My Incredible cost me $99 (and that's through Verizon, without corporate discounts) while the cheapest I know someone paid for an iPhone is $199 (and that was the iPhone 3). Most people paid a lot more than that for it.

I believe you, but I compared Iphone prices (AT&T) in late June, and some were selling for $99. They weren't this year's greatest, and they didn't boast all of the Incredible's features, but they were fifty dollars less than the lowest price which I could get on Incredible.

As for software vs. hardware, I would think you know that great software is well-designed to run smooth and efficiently on the hardware which it is intended for - although in all fairness, Apple doesn't have so much a burden with hardware compatibility.

Apple does have more the need to make their products run correctly, as there are none others to blame when they don't. That they still fail with this, and won't even let you change the battery are only a couple of reasons why I hate Apple, but you really can't call me unreasonable for being PO'd at the Droid for dumping an "improvement" on my phone which worsens, rather than improves it's performance.
 
Soooo... how did you manage to get out of the cancellation fee? Cause whether I like or not, Verizon's got me for another two years.
 
Soooo... how did you manage to get out of the cancellation fee? Cause whether I like or not, Verizon's got me for another two years.


Your official address must be somewhere Verizon gets minimal to no service.

Then they have to let you out of the contract for free.

That's how I got out of T-Mobile to switch to Verizon so I could get the Incredible.

It wasn't illegal or anything - I just gave them my real address where T-Mobile actually had really horrible service so the law is they have to void my contract without the termination fee.

It's the law - bad service - no termination fee. Their computers tell them how good your service is so you can't just lie. However, you have to send proof of your address to their headquarters - I had to send a copy of my drivers license.


On a side note. I feel sorry for the OP. My phone is flawless, rare force closes, great battery life for a super smart phone. Love the Quality build. Screen and resolution is gorgeous. Couldn't be any happier. I have no desire to upgrade until my new any2.
 
After leaving for better network and diving into droid vs iPhone 3gs I had, the incredible is a nice phone to hold me over until the iPhone gets here. The iPhone hands down is just a all around better experience and a Hell of lot better looking and well built. Pride is a killer folks. Fess up and just admit , the iPhone is king. We won't think any less of you. Good original post.
 
After leaving for better network and diving into droid vs iPhone 3gs I had, the incredible is a nice phone to hold me over until the iPhone gets here. The iPhone hands down is just a all around better experience and a Hell of lot better looking and well built. Pride is a killer folks. Fess up and just admit , the iPhone is king. We won't think any less of you. Good original post.

Sit down and shut up..."pride is a killer".

So that's why you've come on an android forum bringing your Apple Fanboyness?

And I for one want to be able to setup My Phone the way I want (unlike the iPhone). I don't want a company to censor the market (unlike the iPhone). I want the os developer to actually provide useful updates (unlike the iPhone). I want flash, wifi hotspot, nav, Multitasking, customizeable homescreens, google voice, etc.
 
After leaving for better network and diving into droid vs iPhone 3gs I had, the incredible is a nice phone to hold me over until the iPhone gets here. The iPhone hands down is just a all around better experience and a Hell of lot better looking and well built. Pride is a killer folks. Fess up and just admit , the iPhone is king. We won't think any less of you. Good original post.


Nice 8 posts. I can tell you have vested interest here. :rolleyes: Personally I think the AppPhone errr, iPhone is king because they let you do neat-o things like CHANGE YOUR WALLPAPER now! Oh and don't forget they teach you new ways to hold your cell phone to get better reception. I like the way they let you arrange the BEAUTIFULLY created app icons on your home screen and call it personalization! Steve is REALLY good to his customers in giving that much freedom and choice over a device that THEY purchased. I like how they protect their customers from having the choices they want on their phones. You can never be too careful as a corporation as to what you allow someone to put on THEIR phone, heck the customer may have paid for it, but it's Apple's baby, gotta protect that name. Who are you to want to put "unsavory" apps on it? What do you think? It's yours or something? I especially like how they force users to use their video sourcing rather than some "Johnny Come Lately" company like flash who is here today, but gone tomorrow and won't support their company. As an Applefanboy, I personally like that I can't actually see and interact with the web and many websites as they are coded and written, but actually I have to find work arounds. Don't get me started on how willy nilly Android and Verizion Wireless are for allowing customers the freedom of changing batteries when they die or get low. Anyone will tell you that only a properly trained specialist has the qualifications and proper know how to complete THAT task. Well, at the proper price with shipping and handling.

Finally, and most seriously, I like that Steve Jobs finally gets to throw that line from "Pirates of Silicone Valley" back at the world. Sure I know it's Hollywood, and it probably was never said, but hey it's true here Apple really did "Get there first" this time and put out an OS that was smooth and functioned unlike anything ever seen before. Unfortunately, it's no longer the only game in town, so like it or not Applefanboys, there are other BETTER options for smartphones now. Step up or step off, Android is a viable contender to the throne. :cool:
 
I can't believe this thread has been around this long and no one said....



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I had an ipod touch for a year and then sold it for my droid inc. I loved it but then sold it after 2 months when i got off my family plan and got my own plan. Decided to risk getting att and got the captivate since it was the best hardware at the time(minus camera flash). So I've had experience with everything ur discussing.

My first gripe was the battery life. I could barely squeeze out a day. I tried all of the tips, none of them worked. I bought a 1750 Seidio, not enough.
True, it was idiotic of htc to put a 1300 battery in this phone what were they thinking. A lot of people reported that they were actually getting better battery life with the htc touch pro 2 1500mah batter over the 1750 seido. i used the tp2 batter and it was sufficient for me. My captivate does get better battery life with it's 1500mah battery tho, maybe an extra hour.

Also, I found that android's multitasking wasn't very good at managing open apps. I found that I would sometimes have 30 apps running, even though I had just booted my phone.
Multi-tasking is a love-hate situation on android. Its not perfected. M$ decided to not even include it in their win 7 phones so obviously it will be a while before multi-tasking is a standard on phones. It really does open up some space for ideas for developers tho so I bet when multi-tasking is perfected, android will have the best apps that take advantage of it.

As I grabbed more apps off the market, I realized how buggy they were. I started to reconsider this whole lack of censorship on the market. While Apple tends to censor too much, they did keep apps out if they were this buggy.
True again. i miss the quality of the apps and games in the app store. App store > android market. There are some interesting free apps on android like the navigation and sky maps, but its laughable that the best selling game is robo defense which pales in comparison to all of the really high quality games on the app market.

The phone likes to reboot, a lot.
My droid inc did the same thing. It probably rebooted 30x a day. You need a replacement phone. This is probably causing half your reboot issues.

My incredible also likes to creak. Not to mention it's almost entirely plastic.
ah, the infamous incredible "creak". Certain aspects of the droid inc's build are questionable. The only thing i liked is that with the rubberized back, you didn't have to worry about scratches on it as muc.

The apps it does have aren't near the quality of the iOS apps. They crash. They're slow. The UI of the app is junky.
True, none of the apps are as polished and a lot of them have the ugly typical vanilla linux look. I hate that.

Battery life... wow. Pathetic. Even my 3500Mah is under 50% by the end of the day after moderate use.
50% is bad for the end of the day? With my captivate, i have about 20% by the time i plug it in at midnight.

I'm just disappointed. I expected a Verizon phone to be solid since they're so strict. Even my network speed is slow (2-full bars!)
My droid inc NEVER held more than 2 bars. I don't think its verizon's network, its the phone. Something is up with the reception. That being said it doesn't really matter how many bars it has as long as it has bars. With my captivate, i can get full or very high bars in some places, but then in others like basements and elevators i get no bars when i used to keep a bar with verizon.
 
Both my incredibles have been perfect since day 1. I had to get a second because i dropped the first in the bay. I'm guessing most of these problems can be related to user error or bad apps or task killers. The freedom of the android platform isn't for everyone.
 
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