Nexus Vs Razr

[AndroidGreg]

I use a belt case with belt loops (to avoid the case coming of the belt). Very common way to lose a phone when getting up from a chair or getting out of a car. Case with belt loops is "cool" I would rather look a tad dorky than risk losing it or have in my pocket and battle lint bunnies.

Lol i know what you mean, my ipod touch had the headphone jack full of lint one day when i pulled it out, took me 10 min with a paperclip to get it all out.

 

[sean76]

Yup its going to be insane......i hope they can go back to their roots (no pun intended) and put together a cool marketing campaign like they did with the OG Droid. That one was awesome. I kid you not when i was in Best Buy purchasing it there was another guy buying it as well and said "dude did you see the commercials? I had to get this thing." Thats crazy good marketing.

They havent regained that sense of mystery and excitement with their Droid commercials since then (my opinion) Stealth Fighters and mysterious meteors crashing to Earth. Showing the stunned look on an old farmers face then cutting away to the coming soon screen...sheer genius. Great production value as well. They spent some bank on those things. Im curious to see how or if this release will stack up to that one. That was truly epic......hard to beat that and not sure if they will spend that kind of money again.

I think it's going to be BIG! The marketing is going to be intense and crazy I think. Just look at these two....the Razr which was the the hottest thing in its time, combined with the DROID DOES Marketing....Forget about it...Nuts!!!

 

[cereal killer]

I think it's going to be BIG! The marketing is going to be intense and crazy I think. Just look at these two....the Razr which was the the hottest thing in its time, combined with the DROID DOES Marketing....Forget about it...Nuts!!!

Fuggetaboutit

 

[dmaxfan]

It's close, I'm not gonna lie. The screen really matters a lot to me, I guess I'm just one of those people...Resolving that possible shortcoming goes a long ways to convincing me. Now for a way to get around the BL and NFC hurdle!

I'll tell you that I'm okay with the cloud, but not crazy about it even though I'm unlimited, so the SD card here is a definite plus this way.......The cloud worries me a bit because many options NOW are free, but the opportunity to start charging is right around the corner. The other problem is that I don't have a legal right to unlimited data forever. The ole "we're all grandfathered in" could go away at a moment's notice and while I doubt it's likely, if you were tied to the cloud, you'd be screwed.

I am very particular when it comes to display. From the reviews I've read on both phones, most confirm my suspicions. The Samsung uses RGBG in most displays and the result is generally a green tint to it. I notice it in almost every samsung phone I've seen (especially the Galaxy1) and the reviews point to the same on the Nexus. Moto is using RGBW, from what I've gathered and it has been praised by reviewers of the phone. Bat life will probably be better on the nexus, but I have the bolt so hell, anythings better than that.
I generally don't get my hopes up on something, but I believe the razr isn't just hype.

 

[EarlyMon]

Moto is using RGBW, from what I've gathered and it has been praised by reviewers of the phone. Bat life will probably be better on the nexus, but I have the bolt so hell, anythings better than that.

Traditional screen tech combines red, green and blue to make white. That's true for OLED type displays as well. OLED displays are a light-emissive technology: each subpixel generates light by electrochemical means. LCD displays are a light-permissive technology. Each subpixel is a colored filter, and a white backlight is gated by a little adjustable aperture formed by the liquid crystal element.

The present chemical tech used by Samsung doesn't produce white light at a subpixel. So with PenTile, to get white light, you take an LCD sub-pixel and don't use a colored filter, just let the backlight through.

PenTile RGBW=LCD, RGBG=S/AMOLED.

All PenTile screens are made by Samsung. The S-LCD screen in your Bolt, also Samsung technology. Those guys have been cleaning up in the mobile display market.

Hope this helps!

 

[dmaxfan]

Traditional screen tech combines red, green and blue to make white. That's true for OLED type displays as well. OLED displays are a light-emissive technology: each subpixel generates light by electrochemical means. LCD displays are a light-permissive technology. Each subpixel is a colored filter, and a white backlight is gated by a little adjustable aperture formed by the liquid crystal element.

The present chemical tech used by Samsung doesn't produce white light at a subpixel. So with PenTile, to get white light, you take an LCD sub-pixel and don't use a colored filter, just let the backlight through.

PenTile RGBW=LCD, RGBG=S/AMOLED.

All PenTile screens are made by Samsung. The S-LCD screen in your Bolt, also Samsung technology. Those guys have been cleaning up in the mobile display market.

Hope this helps!

That clears up alot. I'm just wondering about on the articles i've read, why the green hue is aparent on the nexus but not the razr?

 

[cereal killer]

That clears up alot. I'm just wondering about on the articles i've read, why the green hue is aparent on the nexus but not the razr?

A guy on HoFo said the screen is not made by Samsung. He's raving about it.

 

[EarlyMon]

That clears up alot. I'm just wondering about on the articles i've read, why the green hue is aparent on the nexus but not the razr?

We're all sensitive to different things, for me, it's color.

I would never yank a TV from the box and use it without adjusting color. My gripe with phones is nearly all models only give a brightness adjustment. I have read that some Samsungs have 3 presets but still...

Some people report on color inaccuracies, some don't. And if you see enough copies of any one model, you'll find a lot of unit to unit variations on this.

A guy on HoFo said the screen is not made by Samsung. He's raving about it.

Raving would be the right word.

Only Samsung makes PenTile or SAMOLED. The CEO of the company that invented PenTile, bought by Samsung, is a forum member here; she confirmed that in the Motorola Photon forum.

 

[Medion]

I emailed Sasha Segan last night, the guy who did the RAZR preview stating that it was Super AMOLED Plus. Here's what he had to say;

I haven't reviewed the Droid RAZR yet - all I have is a brief hands-on from the launch event where I quoted some clearly wrong things that Motorola's demo guys were telling me. They were already wrong in telling me the damn phone had a Qualcomm chip, so I'm not surprised I was misinformed about the screen, as well.

Also, Earlymon;

The TBolt screen may not be PenTile. Starting around June last year, HTC started procuring SLCD from Sony rather than PenTile displays from Sammy. These screens aren't PenTile, but the first batch were limited to 18-bit color depth (the ones used in the updated Desire, N1, and Incredible). I heard the second batch were 24-bit. But, if you hear of a phone using SLCD, that's Sony, and I'm fairly certain that those are the screens that HTC still uses.

 

[EarlyMon]

Sorry I was unclear.

SLCD is definitely not and never PenTile. The company is a joint venture between Samsung and Sony. Either may sell screens, but the technology behind the panels is strictly Samsung.

No argument that HTC bought from Sony.

 

[rushmore]

Simple....The Razr is a DROID brother!

Nexus is not! Its just a Google branded phone, that happens to run on vzw's LTE network! We won't see no commercials about the GNex. However the Razr will be on Blast 24/7 when it gets released.

Say hello to the Razr...The new Marketing Darling of vzw for the rest of 2011...lol

Ironic the Nexus forum has soon to breach 16,000 posts and this forum not even 600, but the Razr should sell multiple times more than the Nexus, due to looks, Moto & VZW marketing, stores pushing it, likely earlier street date and a premium device to support the push.

That is even more ironic then there are more Razr posts in the Nexus forum.

Not saying the Razr is better at all (different audience), but the folks populating the Nexus forum are mainly the rooting crowd, which is a smaller part of total consumers.

 

[rushmore]

Lol i know what you mean, my ipod touch had the headphone jack full of lint one day when i pulled it out, took me 10 min with a paperclip to get it all out.

That is why I went "dork", to avoid keep doing that and sometimes the phone could slide out my pocket when getting out of lower riding cars.


As far as the display, I avoid assuming anything, since need to see the display myself. I have no big issue with the Droid 3, so am probably easy to please.

 

[EarlyMon]

rushmore - totally agree. We could once count on thread traffic to indicate phone interest, but I think those days may be closing.

Android and the handsets are advancing so quickly that now it seems there's less mystery on a lot of fronts, so the sustaining threads after launch are more geared towards apps and rooting.

The new superphones so soundly trounce last year's crop that the differences between them seem as much cultural as technical.

How it looks to me, how it feels in my hand, how the stock configuration works for me - the focus seems to be shifting back to consumer use, and I am all for that.

I think it's great to take an interest in some aspect of tech that intrigues or is central to a personal need on the buying checklist.

But overall, going with one of the new top performers is a pretty safe bet no matter what.

 

[rushmore]

Cycle is driven by the manufacturer. They will kick it out to Verizon and Verizon will do their thing with it. (Internal testing)

In regards to Google playing favorites that wont happen. The Nexus will always be updated first. What will be interesting is how fast Moto gets out subsequent updates after 4.0.

4.0 on the RAZR is going to be potent. Looking forward to that. I am looking forward to running GB for a few months as well. Ran it on my Droid but its quite buggy so I'm back to good old fashioned Froyo.

The main apparent reason the Nexus line gets updated first is no carrier bloat or OEM UI. Not seeing a squeaky clean Nexus on VZW, unless unsubsidized and a near token offering by VZW. VZW like pushing the devices that carries the bloat, since those apps help (believe it or not) drive revenue for them.

Still seems the issue going on in the background is "discussion" over the bloat issue. If VZW offers a "true" premised Nexus device, that will be impressive and great for VZW consumers that want it.

Added:

EarlyMon, I agree on all points.

 

[Medion]

rushmore - totally agree. We could once count on thread traffic to indicate phone interest, but I think those days may be closing.

Bingo. Part of the reason why the Nexus forum has more posts than the RAZR forum is two-fold;

1. We knew most of the facts about the RAZR about a month ago. We've learned almost nothing since it was made official. All of the digging had already been done. By comparison, there is still a lot about the Nexus we still don't know, even after the official announcements. This thing has been hard to dig up dirt on, and we're all hanging on for any info that we can.

2. People posting in the RAZR forum are mostly only interested in the RAZR (most, not all). People posting in the Nexus forum are curious how it compares to (insert phone of choice, including the RAZR). The Nexus forums are getting a LOT of cross-talk on other phones whereas the RAZR forum isn't.

I believe the Incredible forum has the most posts of any Android phone here, but for 2010, it wasn't even the best selling Android phone. It was outsold by the Evo4G and Droid X in the US (I think there was one other that outsold it, not sure).

 

[EarlyMon]

The one thing that I keep coming back to in RAZR vs Gnex is the unknown radio factor.

Motorola has never let me down, not so much for the Samsung phones.

Unscientific poll of just me and my family, applied to phone and GPS radios.

 

[EarlyMon]

I'll mention it here rather than the other thread.

The ICS features of tying apps to people is pretty much the foundation of Sense and I like Sense for that reason.

The RAZR is already targeting the user experience to take advantage of the phone not being isolated in use. Add the people-centric approach in ICS and that's going to be quite powerful.

I am often confusing to my fellow technorati for my love of Sense but I say one man's bloat is another man's treasure.

No one wasn't confused that the Nexus S wasn't a Samsung at heart yet the analogous SGS sold more.

I think that the RAZR will outsell, just on its merits and heritage, despite the marketing advantage Verizon gives the brand.

 

[sean76]

The one thing that I keep coming back to in RAZR vs Gnex is the unknown radio factor.

Motorola has never let me down, not so much for the Samsung phones.

Unscientific poll of just me and my family, applied to phone and GPS radios.

So Mr Earlymon,,,Are you gonna take the Plunge and grab the Razr when it releases?

 

[EarlyMon]

So Mr Earlymon,,,Are you gonna take the Plunge and grab the Razr when it releases?

Hard to say. Where I live I actually get better Sprint than Verizon 3g performance. And my Evo 3D is not leaving me, period.

But I am getting a bit tired of one phone for work and pleasure. Many is the time I've had to wait on root customizations for fear a playful instability could impact my work.

I was looking at the Photon, but have decided to curtail my international travel, so now that there's a decent Android world phone, I really don't need it.

So the RAZR decision for me will come down to an assessment of what Verizon monthly plans will shake out and how.

I already have rgb qHD made by Sharp on my 3D, and believe it can't be beat for color accuracy and sharpness, so the whole screen difference thing on RAZR vs Gnex is a total don't care for me.

And while I was among the first insisting that bigger is better when 4.3" screens came out, the Gnex seems too moosey to me, just from the vids.

And I like Motorola, kinda maybe that cultural thing I alluded to earlier.

 

[cereal killer]

I'll mention it here rather than the other thread.

The ICS features of tying apps to people is pretty much the foundation of Sense and I like Sense for that reason.

The RAZR is already targeting the user experience to take advantage of the phone not being isolated in use. Add the people-centric approach in ICS and that's going to be quite powerful.

I am often confusing to my fellow technorati for my love of Sense but I say one man's bloat is another man's treasure.

No one wasn't confused that the Nexus S wasn't a Samsung at heart yet the analogous SGS sold more.

I think that the RAZR will outsell, just on its merits and heritage, despite the marketing advantage Verizon gives the brand.

2 years ago i was a huge fan of Vanilla. UI's made me nauseous. Fast forward to 2011 and Vanilla is Vanilla and the manufacturer UI's are more desirable, nicer and more functional. Sense and Blur have come a long way in my opinion. Staunchly opposed them in 09/10 have come to appreciate their functionality in '11

Im ready for a whole new user experience. Its time.......

 

[EarlyMon]

Same here.

I tried to go back to vanilla but in the end, for me, it was a pointless exercise in trying to artfully add apps and widgets to get the functionality and attractive layout that I already had.

 

[jasaero]

Alright, misunderstanding on my part. Thought you meant that the GB OS itself wasn't meant to run on the Droid (if Google had a more direct say, it likely would).



Official specs list it as a Super AMOLED, and Samsung isn't sourcing Super AMOLED Plus to anyone yet.

Looks like an error on PC Mag's part. They are the only source I see reporting Super AMOLED Plus. But, here's the specs straight from Moto, whom I trust a tad more than PC Mag.

MOTODEV > Products > DROID RAZR by Motorola, XT912

During the Press release they called it Super AMOLED Advanced, whatever that means. I'm not quite sure why they are using Samsung's nomenclature anyhow? It's been marketing speak more than anything for Sammy even though maybe a bit more specific to tech used than most marketing. I guess just to try and avoid confusion since AMOLED is new and brightness and such can vary a lot depending on which maturity of processes it came from. All I know is that PenTile or not is something Moto has always been hush hush about. I think even Sammy is usually more forthcoming on this. So I think you would have to see the display next to the HD pentile to really be convinced if they are both pentile.

 

[jasaero]

We're all sensitive to different things, for me, it's color.

I would never yank a TV from the box and use it without adjusting color. My gripe with phones is nearly all models only give a brightness adjustment. I have read that some Samsungs have 3 presets but still...

Some people report on color inaccuracies, some don't. And if you see enough copies of any one model, you'll find a lot of unit to unit variations on this.

Yep. And with AMOLED my impression is this is even further complicated by differences in pixel life and brightness over life of each pixel. So my guess is that AMOLED displays need these color tuning capabilities even more than standard display tech and for the most part don't have it since it's not really even used on traditional TV's that usually have such settings.

Raving would be the right word.

Only Samsung makes PenTile or SAMOLED. The CEO of the company that invented PenTile, bought by Samsung, is a forum member here; she confirmed that in the Motorola Photon forum.

Yeah. I don't think he has ever really admitted to be an expert or one close to such knowledge so much as he knows a moto person that gets test units and allows him to check them out. I doubt samsung would disallow Moto from using an RGB AMOLED though as my understanding is there are drawbacks to doing so with AMOLED and that's why they keep trying to push resolution and keep the PenTile.

 

[Martimus]

The one thing that I keep coming back to in RAZR vs Gnex is the unknown radio factor.

Motorola has never let me down, not so much for the Samsung phones.

Unscientific poll of just me and my family, applied to phone and GPS radios.

I'm somewhat in the same boat! Every time I think about the Samsung Nexus Prime I remember the horror that was my Samsung Omnia! I swore that the radio in that phone had a mind of it's own...

And with the documented unpredictability of Samsung's KIES application, I'll be interested in seeing what, if any, PC-based app Sammy pushes out with the GNex. Since it's a Google experience phone, it might not need a supporting app.

Additionally I'm hoping that Google's plan for Android gets assimilated into Motorola Mobility. Well that and a bit of Google's management style. Moto needs help and I'm thinking Google is the company that can help bring them into the 21st century...

 

[cereal killer]

For those interested in what motorola is doing in regards to their update schedules moving forward. Heres a copy and paste from my Droid:

"Motorola also noted that they are now reviewing their upgrade metrics for their current devices and are formulating their Ice Cream Sandwich update strategy, "