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Root **Official** Droid X encrypted bootloader and efuse thread
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paul89
Android Expert
ya the 30 dollar plan is unlimited, but the 20 dollar hot spot one has a 2gb cap. To tell you the truth google has put free wifi hotspot on 2.2 and now Verizon is stealing it away from us and charging us for it. How is 30 dollars a month that we pay for unlimited eating up the bandwith if we tether!?!?! Hello its effing $30.00 dollars I should be able to do what I want with it!
paul89
Android Expert
Well being that I never said anything of the sort...
I know this is about controlling the theft of bandwidth. They have every right. All of the altruistic open platform moaning is BS. People just want to open up the phone to steal bandwidth they don't want to pay for.
/thread.
Dont want to pay for? We are already paying a ridicuolous price for just freaking mobile internet, I mean com on its not damn cable or DSL! I have Cable Comcast for a year at 30 dollars and my downloadspeeds are up to 20mbs. If Verizon doesnt want people tethering on the unlimited plan then make that cheaper, and the charge for tethering.
kwest12
Android Enthusiast
Cyanogen definitely makes custom ROMs, but I am not certain whether or not that group tries to actually gain root or find exploits. If they do, then it's quite likely that they were involved in the largely unsuccessful effort to load custom ROMs onto the Milestone (I am really not certain how well that exploit works... I've heard some saying it is quite risky and doesn't work...).
Root is different than access to the boot loader (which is encrypted). For extremely good explanations (easy to understand too), go to the OP here: http://androidforums.com/motorola-d...ootloader-flashing-roms-abandon-all-hope.html
I've never used Linux
nor have I ever needed the code to Windows
I'd be more than happy with just root. So far I've flashed about 10 ROMS on my Inc and I've gone back to stock with a blue theme. None of them have offered anything more than the stock ROM other than bugs and non working features, oh and stripping put parts I like
.Google doesn't have to provide bandwidth to anybody. They offer the OS feature, but the carriers have to provide the means to use it.
Here is a hint: There is only so much bandwidth to go around. If you need more, pay for it, it ain't free to provide and it damn sure isn't free to use. Running a computer over a cellular network eats up major bandwidth, far more than a phone. People have abused the data on all major networks to the point where carriers are encrypting boot loaders to prevent tethering run-arounds. Get it? Pretty simple actually.
Where has this entitlement mentality come from?
I know, I was referring to people thinking they can get custom ROMs on some hope and a prayer. I do not think people understand encryption.
There is a marked bandwidth difference between a cellular (radio) data network and a wired network. Understanding this difference makes the "ridiculous" prices for data tethering on cellular networks very reasonable. They have to turn a profit you know.
Tweets between myself and Cyanogen:
@cyanogen Hey, are you guys going to be attempting to root/load custom roms to the X at all? Didn't know if you were going to try X stuff
@guts311 eventually, the DroidX I have right now isn't mine to keep though
@cyanogen Ahh I see. All a matter of getting one to hack away at
I didn't see any mention of X in your stream, we all hope you guys can!!.
@cyanogen And whats the word so far on encryption and the loader? @mrweeeedbirdman seems to think it's locked down too tight for custom roms
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@cyanogen Hey, are you guys going to be attempting to root/load custom roms to the X at all? Didn't know if you were going to try X stuff
@guts311 eventually, the DroidX I have right now isn't mine to keep though
@cyanogen Ahh I see. All a matter of getting one to hack away at
I didn't see any mention of X in your stream, we all hope you guys can!!.@cyanogen And whats the word so far on encryption and the loader? @mrweeeedbirdman seems to think it's locked down too tight for custom roms
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kwest12
Android Enthusiast
I know, I was referring to people thinking they can get custom ROMs on some hope and a prayer. I do not think people understand encryption.
Yeah, until we hashed everything out in that thread I linked to, I had very little clue what it meant. The OP in that thread has links to just about everything people need to know about this whole encrypted boot loader issue. If there was a way to force people to read it before posting here that would be really beneficial lol (not just for this thread, but for everyone's individual knowledge).
For the record, it is highly unlikely that we'll ever be able to use custom ROMs on this phone (this is also explained by one of the posts I linked to in that other thread's OP).
I am just going to quote myself. In order to break good encrytion, you need the key, and without that you will never get in.
There is no proof that removing "fluff", especially if it isn't even running, make it faster. I think that is just a dream and the thing is super fast anyways. What will I get if they make it 6x as opposed to 5x faster? One less 1/2 eye blink while I wait for an app to open? Serious I think some people are just Obsessed about speed thing. Most of these speed improvements aren't even noticeable without an app to benchmark them. I've loaded stock ROMs that other are claiming "this thing flies!!" I load it up and like "wow dude it's the same
" None have been any faster to my eyes than the one that came on it. Anyways Fluff can be removed with root.
So I'm not in any worry to load any buggy stripped down ROMS that take feature away I like. Now if someone comes up with a true super improvement ROM I may reconsider but until then I'm go with root and the ROM Moto put on it.
kwest12
Android Enthusiast
There is no proof that removing "fluff", especially if it isn't even running, make it faster. I think that is just a dream and the thing is super fast anyways. What will I get if they make it 6x as opposed to 5x faster? One less 1/2 eye blink while I wait for an app to open? Serious I think some people are just Obsessed about speed thing. Most of these speed improvements aren't even noticeable without an app to benchmark them. I've loaded stock ROMs that other are claiming "this thing flies!!" I load it up and like "wow dude it's the same
Anyways Fluff can be removed with root.
So I'm not in any worry to load any buggy stripped down ROMS that take feature away I like. Now if someone comes up with a true super improvement ROM I may reconsider but until then I'm go with root and the ROM Moto put on it.
I'm sure there's some validity to what you're saying, but this article “BuglessBeast” Android 2.2 ROM for Motorola Droid Reaches 40,000 Downloads in One Week | Android Phone Fans is proof that a lot of people do care about custom ROMs: the article is only talking about one single rom, and only includes the number of ppl who were counted downloading it in the 1st week alone! It's important to remember that there are probably a ton more people who downloaded it after the counting finished, and also probably a bunch who weren't counted b/c they got it from other hosting sites. Also, this isn't even the only ROM out there, so ppl downloading other great ROMs aren't even included in this count. Lastly, if I understand the article correctly, this ROM is Droid specific, so 40k isn't considering ROMs for other phones either.
I gotta imagine that if that many people are doing it, it's more than just a silly obsession with perceived speed. Now I've been wrong before, but I kinda doubt this is one of those times: I mean lets be honest, it's a pretty safe bet that well over 40k intelligent individuals (lets face it, you gotta have some sort of activity going on upstairs to be able to understand how to load a custom ROM) aren't just being duped into thinking these ROMs are a pretty steep improvement over what they could have w/o the ROMs.
D13
Android Expert
Google doesn't have to provide bandwidth to anybody. They offer the OS feature, but the carriers have to provide the means to use it.
Here is a hint: There is only so much bandwidth to go around. If you need more, pay for it, it ain't free to provide and it damn sure isn't free to use. Running a computer over a cellular network eats up major bandwidth, far more than a phone. People have abused the data on all major networks to the point where carriers are encrypting boot loaders to prevent tethering run-arounds. Get it? Pretty simple actually.
Where has this entitlement mentality come from?
I don't think get it. If I tether my phone to my PC and access this site I use no more than if I used the phone. Granted some abuse it and will try to use it for their main connection but its not a given that using a pc uses more bandwidth it's just easier. You can also tether without root if you want to use a usb cable they aren't stopping that or wifi tethering for that matter since you only need root for that.
the reason I thing VW is doing this is they have to support the device and it's a lot harder to do if people are hacking it and changing ROMS.
arcturussage
Well-Known Member
Google built it into android because it doesn't matter to them. It's not their networks that have to deal with the bandwith. They're just adding it to android because there are other phones and features that let you tether/set up a hotspot.
The $30 a month that you pay for unlimited eats up a TON more bandwith if you tether. You're talking about the difference between a single cellphone using up a certain amount of data vs having one or more Computers connected to it.
I could tether my laptop, then torrent an 8 gig blu ray movie. In an hour or two. On top of regular web browsing and whatever else I want to do. That would have huge implications for the 3g network. Not only that but if I could use my unlimited dataplan with my computer why would I spend $50+ a month of FIOS internet?
According to the leaked sales flier I saw it says only DRM protected media will not play through the hdmi not just user generated.
CRPercodani
OFWGKTA
No one said others don't care about it, I just don't.
And the fact that lots of people like to mess around with technology has nothing to do with real world speed improvement. Compared to how many are sold I bet that 40k is a very small fraction. Don't get me wrong I like to mess around with it also, I'm just saying its not a game breaker for me and I've seen no proof custom ROMS really improve anything other than the way you see your launcher. ie SenseUi no SenseUI etc etc
And I don't know how smart you have to be to open ROM manager and select flash ROM and watch it do it all automatically. I serious bet we could train a monkey to do it
Anyways Like I said I don't blame other for wanting to do it its just not a deal breaker for ME <--- Note I said ME
There is a ton of proof that custom ROM's give you increased speed and performance. There are apps that will benchmark many different areas and they continually show custom ROM's to be much faster then stock. Yes ROM Manager makes everything easier but you need to root first which is more then a simple click or 2 unless you used the one click root back when it worked. If this isn't a big deal to you then why are you in both the threads pertaining to this matter with negative remarks?
We are all different, heck that's probably why we all enjoy Android so much. Don't get rude or obnoxious just because you don't feel that same way about this as others do. Should everyone that's pro-root go into non root related threads and try to instigate arguments? That would be just as ugly as this.
Now someone here mentioned that we could use the same root exploit we used on the Droid. Wrong. That hole was patched up a long time ago when 2.1 was released for the Droid. It was actually a error in some of Google's coding for Android which was patched literally the day after we gained root. I'm not sure about the validity of the root claims but I hope they are true, of course I also hope the bl encryption is false however the failure of getting a full /system dump does not bode well at all....
EDIT: This is not a personal attack on anyone, please don't assume it as one and instigate anything against anyone.
Yeah im going to get the X anyway cant bring myself to buy a samsung phone they are so junky
D13
Android Expert
kwest12
Android Enthusiast
/me *Frantically tries to click the 'thank you' button on CRP's post more than once*
I'd recommend you keep an open mind towards the Fascinate. It could be a really great piece of equipment, and if you solidify your bias before knowing for sure, you could end up short changing yourself. I'm doing my best to keep an open mind (that's gonna be tough if I buy a DX and use the 30 days though...)
I'd recommend you keep an open mind towards the Fascinate. It could be a really great piece of equipment, and if you solidify your bias before knowing for sure, you could end up short changing yourself. I'm doing my best to keep an open mind (that's gonna be tough if I buy a DX and use the 30 days though...)
CRPercodani
OFWGKTA
I miss you CRP.
I know I know. I have been busy raising a family of wild penguins up in Alaska, it took a lot of my spare time. Luckily they have all grown up without any major complications.
D13
Android Expert
I had a hunch that.. that is what was going on.