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Opinions on Apple

I don't like Apple. Nothing wrong with the hardware, but I don't like the way Apple, and especially Steve Jobs, conduct themselves, and the hardware is too expensive for what you get. Especially now, they are using basically the same hardware as a normal WinTel PC, but cost a lot more. And for all that, you get an OS that doesn't run all the software I want to run. My iPhone 3Gs was my first, and probably last, Apple product I'll ever own. Bring the iPhone to Verizon, I don't care, I didn't leave AT&T to go to Verizon, I left Apple so I could go to Android.
 
Vihzel said:
You also have to factor in the actual materials used for it as compared to other products and that it is actually made by a designer or by a fashion house. Designer jeans ARE better than jeans from Walmart... if you don't know the reasons why, then perhaps a class at FIDM or FIT will clear that up for you. One example is thread count.
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Ha you picked the wrong industry to deal with. Just so happens I'm in the apparel industry(printing). Now if I bought jeans/sportswear from the VERY SAME company that produces most of the a.d.i.d.a.s. stuff, sans the logo of course, does that really make the a.d.i.d.a.s. brand name clothing better than what I bought because of a 2''x2'' embroidered logo?

As how this pertains to Apple, that actually has no comparision. Apple uses off the shelf hardware, and you can put that VERY SAME HARDWARE (brand and all) into your own custom box for 1/5th the cost. So the old age tale "Apple's hardware is better" is a big fat crock, and whoever says that is full of shit and doesn't know what they are talking about. And in fact, Apple's hardware sucked so bad, they had to switch to Intel chips a few years back.
 
IOWA said:
Ha you picked the wrong industry to deal with. Just so happens I'm in the apparel industry(printing). Now if I bought jeans/sportswear from the VERY SAME company that produces most of the a.d.i.d.a.s. stuff, sans the logo of course, does that really make the a.d.i.d.a.s. brand name clothing better than what I bought because of a 2''x2'' embroidered logo?

As how this pertains to Apple, that actually has no comparision. Apple uses off the shelf hardware, and you can put that VERY SAME HARDWARE (brand and all) into your own custom box for 1/5th the cost. So the old age tale "Apple's hardware is better" is a big fat crock, and whoever says that is full of shit and doesn't know what they are talking about. And in fact, Apple's hardware sucked so bad, they had to switch to Intel chips a few years back.
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I'm not sure how your example with adidas pertains to jeans made by a designer compared to jeans found at Walmart. Jeans from Walmart are of much lower quality than from D&G for example. The feel of it itself is different. Higher quality fabrics, such as Japanese denim, will never be found in Walmart or Gap. Also the fit is very important. Designer jeans are cut to be more fitted for both men and women than traditional jeans.

I'm also talking about the outer construction and not the interior hardware components. You completely misunderstood me. So... I was talking about the unibody construction and the use of all aluminum as compared to plastic used in a lot of other laptops. More and more companies are starting to use aluminum in their laptops though! Quite a few great HP notebooks use a good amount of aluminum. They still have plastic bottoms though.
 
Vihzel said:
I'm not sure how your example with adidas pertains to jeans made by a designer compared to jeans found at Walmart. Jeans from Walmart are of much lower quality than from D&G for example. The feel of it itself is different. Higher quality fabrics, such as Japanese denim, will never be found in Walmart or Gap. Also the fit is very important. Designer jeans are cut to be more fitted for both men and women than traditional jeans.

I'm also talking about the outer construction and not the interior hardware components. You completely misunderstood me. So... I was talking about the unibody construction and the use of all aluminum as compared to plastic used in a lot of other laptops. More and more companies are starting to use aluminum in their laptops though! Quite a few great HP notebooks use a good amount of aluminum. They still have plastic bottoms though.
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My HP probook is mostly aluminum, and its extremely durable. Even still, I've seen plenty of macbooks die from simple drops, and if Apple is really so good at exterior hardware/shells, what the hell were they thinking when they made the iP4?
 
IOWA said:
My HP probook is mostly aluminum, and its extremely durable. Even still, I've seen plenty of macbooks die from simple drops, and if Apple is really so good at exterior hardware/shells, what the hell were they thinking when they made the iP4?
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Regular consumer notebooks are always iffy when it comes to drops since it depends a lot on angle, type of surface its dropped on, probability, and so forth... it's the same with all phones for example, whether more metal (at least I believe it's metal) like the Droid X or more plastic like the Droid Inc. Apple went the bad route with the iPhone 4. There's definitely no argument there. They don't have the same team working on Mac notebooks and the iPhone I believe.
 
Vihzel said:
Regular consumer notebooks are always iffy when it comes to drops since it depends a lot on angle, type of surface its dropped on, probability, and so forth... it's the same with all phones for example, whether more metal (at least I believe it's metal) like the Droid X or more plastic like the Droid Inc. Apple went the bad route with the iPhone 4. There's definitely no argument there. They don't have the same team working on Mac notebooks and the iPhone I believe.
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Either way, I just (personally) can't justify that outrageous price tag for sub-par hardware, and a sub-par on top of it. Not to mention they make macs(most of them, including desktops) almost impossible to upgrade. And hell, I don't think it's right you NEED to buy their monitor to use with some of their desktops either. Once again, sub-par hardware, and an OS that's useless for many, too many, things.
 
Bramsy said:
I have a bud that swears by MAC. He kills me. Visits about 5 safe sites daily. Loves chirping about no viruses.
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You do know that MAC is a cosmetics company?

Bramsy said:
For what he paid for his macbook I could have made a laptop that would be pretty slick!
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You make laptops?..How?

Bramsy said:
Zune > ipood. I like its software and player better.
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Not available outside of the USA, so thats a fail for a start. Also Zune like the iPod depends on proprietary software to load it with content. This is unacceptable. I like devices where one can copy content onto and off the device freely and without nasty DRM, and without device been tied to a single computer...e.g. Android devices are the best here.

Bramsy said:
Their stuff is so expensive. Why??
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Sony Vaios and Alienwares are also very expensive. Why??.
 
IOWA said:
Either way, I just (personally) can't justify that outrageous price tag for sub-par hardware, and a sub-par on top of it. Not to mention they make macs(most of them, including desktops) almost impossible to upgrade. And hell, I don't think it's right you NEED to buy their monitor to use with some of their desktops either. Once again, sub-par hardware, and an OS that's useless for many, too many, things.
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Are you talking about games?. Because I can't think of anything else which OS X would be useless for.
 
mikecoulter said:
I really like Apple, I just don't see why they feel the need to try and control everything.
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I do like the Apple laptops, this 3 year old Macbook Pro I'm currently using is the best laptop I've ever had. Survived back-packing and global travel very well. I've had HPs and Acers in the past, and the things have fallen apart in less than a year. I do agree that Apple like to control everything, and I certainly would not have an iPod, iPhone or iPad. Far too many restrictions with these devices.
 
mikedt said:
Are you talking about games?. Because I can't think of anything else which OS X would be useless for.
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No I'm talking about real life business uses. Developing multimedia web design? Useless on a mac. (you know, that little Flash problem and all)

Running RIP software or even getting Mac OSX to talk nicely with one of my printers(even the IP based one's that require no RIP software)? (industrial/commercial) Nope, completely useless.

Hell even networking with a MAC is a PITA. Seriously.

Usb Plug & play connectivity on not so common devices? Forget about it.

How how about right clicking to create a text file? Seems pretty simple to me.

Or how about setting up a picture as a background? No.. that should be 1-2 clicks but instead its this long and drawn out process.

Or how about merging folders? I do this all the time with Windows. With Mac OSX it won't merge the folder, it simply replaces the old one. Lame.

Or how about selectively deleting ONLY certain items in the trash bin?

Or restoring from trash. You can't restore a file from trash to its original position, you have to manually put it there.

Or selecting a bunch of files and determining what is the total size... mmm nope, can't do that either. It only show's the individual file sizes.
 
IOWA said:
No I'm talking about real life business uses. Developing multimedia web design? Useless on a mac. (you know, that little Flash problem and all)

Running RIP software or even getting Mac OSX to talk nicely with one of my printers(even the IP based one's that require no RIP software)? (industrial/commercial) Nope, completely useless.

Hell even networking with a MAC is a PITA. Seriously.

Usb Plug & play connectivity on not so common devices? Forget about it.

How how about right clicking to create a text file? Seems pretty simple to me.

Or how about setting up a picture as a background? No.. that should be 1-2 clicks but instead its this long and drawn out process.

Or how about merging folders? I do this all the time with Windows. With Mac OSX it won't merge the folder, it simply replaces the old one. Lame.

Or how about selectively deleting ONLY certain items in the trash bin?

Or restoring from trash. You can't restore a file from trash to its original position, you have to manually put it there.

Or selecting a bunch of files and determining what is the total size... mmm nope, can't do that either. It only show's the individual file sizes.
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I suppose it depends on your uses and needs for the OS.

For a start I don't make websites or get involved with RIP printers, only a regular Canon injet here. As for networking I've found things easier for I want to do on a Mac. That is make the computer into a WiFi hotspot(internet sharing). One can apparently do this on Windows, but it's a PITA to configure.
As for right clicking to make a new document quickly, I didn't even know one could do that. I presume this is a new feature for Windows 7.

Any devices I've wanted to use on a Mac have never been problem, although I'm not using anything weird or exotic here. Only the Canon printer, Samsung Android phone, various USB sticks, HDDs, and a China Telecom Huawei CDMA 3G modem.

I regularly have to mark homework from the students here, which comes to me on USB sticks. For this job it's strictly Mac or Linux only. I do not want to be using Windows for this job. Most students are using pirated XP on their laptops and netbooks...nuff said.

I use the QQ instant messenger all the time. The Windows version is just a horrid, spyware bloated mess. http://www.tenebril.com/src/info.php?id=441301950
The Mac and Linux versions are light, clean and simple.

So to sum it up, we use the best tools for the jobs and needs. Windows might suit you, Mac along with Linux suits me.
 
mikedt said:
I suppose it depends on your uses and needs for the OS.
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Agreed. I've never had an issue with my notebook yet. Any devices that I've connected to it and been just fine, even trying to connect via bluetooth was easy. My simple wireless Canon printer... no problem. My Panasonic camera, no problem and iPhoto immediately pops up. Files... no issues here. As a student, this does as well as any PC notebook. Gaming on the other hand... forget it on a Mac notebook.
 
agree with others individual needs are the best to base choice on, as well as what your comfortable with.

on a side note, im impressed this thread has stayed so, how to put this, clean. no apple sucks and brainless bashing. go AF!
 
mikedt said:
You do know that MAC is a cosmetics company?



You make laptops?..How?



Not available outside of the USA, so thats a fail for a start. Also Zune like the iPod depends on proprietary software to load it with content. This is unacceptable. I like devices where one can copy content onto and off the device freely and without nasty DRM, and without device been tied to a single computer...e.g. Android devices are the best here.



Sony Vaios and Alienwares are also very expensive. Why??.
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Condescending *bleep*
 
1. Grammar Nazi
2. Total jerk thing to say.. your precious has so many customizations
3. Zune propriety > iTunes
4. You just answer a question with a question?
 
Bramsy said:
1. Grammar Nazi
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Possibly. I wanted to be sure what we where talking about. FYI I get paid to be a 'Grammar Nazi', its my day job. :)

Bramsy said:
2. Total jerk thing to say.. your precious has so many customizations
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Not really. We are talking about laptops are we not? So how does one build a laptop? Or does 'customizations' mean choice of HDD and RAM?

Bramsy said:
3. Zune propriety > iTunes
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Any device sucks which requires proprietary software to use it. I want to be able to freely copy content onto and off the device on any computer and/or OS. Can I do this with a Zune or iPod? Nope.

Bramsy said:
4. You just answer a question with a question?
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But of course, I want an answer to this question as well. Why are Apple, Sony and Alienware computers so damn expensive? Are those brands really that much better than something which costs half the price?
 
I like apple hardware, don't mind the software too much, realize the reliability (macbook pro is a nice piece of machine IMO)... but I have some gripes with apple:

1. Too expensive for what it contains. This goes up and down their list of products.

2. Getting proper software has been hit or miss in the past on Macs (though apparently it's better now... no reason for me to change from Windows at this point).

3. ITUNES! I cannot stand Itunes. I find it a chunky, ugly way to deal with media that is overly controlled. I've taken lesser devices just to avoid Itunes, especially for an MP3 experience. I don't need a big display on my walk-around MP3 player. I had an old Nano, but I can buy Sandisk clips for a third of the price so once my Nano died i've gone through 2 Sandisks (lost the first) and i'm happy with those.
 
mikedt said:
I suppose it depends on your uses and needs for the OS.
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For sure.

For a start I don't make websites or get involved with RIP printers, only a regular Canon injet here. As for networking I've found things easier for I want to do on a Mac. That is make the computer into a WiFi hotspot(internet sharing). One can apparently do this on Windows, but it's a PITA to configure.
As for right clicking to make a new document quickly, I didn't even know one could do that. I presume this is a new feature for Windows 7.
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Nope this has been a standard feature of Windows since windows 95, I believe. And on windows, it's pretty easy to create a hotspot for your computer, you just go into whats called "Create Ad-Hoc Network", fill in the name and password you want, and your done.

Any devices I've wanted to use on a Mac have never been problem, although I'm not using anything weird or exotic here. Only the Canon printer, Samsung Android phone, various USB sticks, HDDs, and a China Telecom Huawei CDMA 3G modem.
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Meh, maybe the newest version of OSX got better. I haven't really fooled around with it since we had our G4 in the shop.

I regularly have to mark homework from the students here, which comes to me on USB sticks. For this job it's strictly Mac or Linux only. I do not want to be using Windows for this job. Most students are using pirated XP on their laptops and netbooks...nuff said.
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Lol pirated XP.. why? That makes little to NO sense. If they are gonna pirate at least make it Windows 7! (kidding... just kidding..)

I use the QQ instant messenger all the time. The Windows version is just a horrid, spyware bloated mess. Tenebril - Spyware Research Center - Tencent QQ
The Mac and Linux versions are light, clean and simple.
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Why not just use a generic (i.e. Gtalk/AIM/MSN) messenger rather than some obscure one? -- Just Curious.

So to sum it up, we use the best tools for the jobs and needs. Windows might suit you, Mac along with Linux suits me.
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Cool.
 
IOWA said:
Still has nothing to do with software "overriding the hardware" or something like that.
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Who said anything about software overriding anything? I believe I said Overtake not override. The meaning being that for a great many people, as windows has continued to update they often find that they no longer have hardware capable of running the OS effectively. This is something that happens to all systems regardless of OS, but Is more pronounced on windows machines.
 
Isthmus said:
Who said anything about software overriding anything? I believe I said Overtake not override. The meaning being that for a great many people, as windows has continued to update they often find that they no longer have hardware capable of running the OS effectively. This is something that happens to all systems regardless of OS, but Is more pronounced on windows machines.
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Say what? I've NEVER known anyone to be forced to replace their computer due to a windows update.
 
i like how reliable apple is.. i like that its challenges Microsoft i liked the ipod hate that they are overpriced.. but i HATE the apple fan boys.. their heads are so far up their asses.. they are like Catholics by being so closed minded and swearing that what they have is so much better no matter what

they have no idea about how much better android is.. they just dont want to see it
 
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