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So, you want to continue to us manhatten as to why supply and demand will reduce the costs by 80% then. The point is, your numbers fail, because you have yet to include RURAL delivery. The reason I posted that in the first place.
 
nlsme said:
Your right, a lot of what coukd be done requires congressional approval. However, as I posted, a lot of what they have, and can continue to do, doesn't. Either way, my original statement stands. They can and will get their budget under control.
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So is it smart business, (what you refer to with "gov done right,") to require congressional approval of critical changes needed to make the company viable?


And do you have a crystal ball? You KNOW the USPS will be able to get congressional approval of the changes needed to make it viable? You should play the lottery.
 
For the 15th time, thats not what I am arguing. I brought up fed ex to show, even for profits lose money. I have also stated, usps financial woes are fixable. And, again, the usps is NOT subsidized.
 
nlsme said:
So, you want to continue to us manhatten as to why supply and demand will reduce the costs by 80% then. The point is, your numbers fail, because you have yet to include RURAL delivery. The reason I posted that in the first place.
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Rural delivery makes it profitable as well, instead of driving 30 miles to deliver 1 package to me... they can drive 30 miles to deliver mail to 640 boxes... how does that NOT drive down costs considerably?

This SHOULD be obvious to you, especially if you ran your own business as you claim.
 
nlsme said:
For the 15th time, thats not what I am arguing. I brought up fed ex to show, even for profits lose money. I have also stated, usps financial woes are fixable. And, again, the usps is NOT subsidized.
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We've been over this...

http://www.usps.com/financials/_pdf/FY_2009_10K_Report_Final.pdf

Page 71

"Capital Contributions of the U.S. Government".

$3.034 Billion per year.

You may or may not have noticed that $3 Billion we give them every year... but it's been pointed out enough that you should have at least stopped claiming that we don't give it to them.
 
Im not saying their prices wont drop, just not by 80% percent you claim they will.
byteware said:
Rural delivery makes it profitable as well, instead of driving 30 miles to deliver 1 package to me... they can drive 30 miles to deliver mail to 640 boxes... how does that NOT drive down costs considerably?

This SHOULD be obvious to you, especially if you ran your own business as you claim.
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nlsme said:
Im not saying their prices wont drop, just not by 80% percent you claim they will.
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Right... so dividing their expenses by hundreds or thousands of customers per route won't drop their expenses, per package, by 80% or more...

While, I haven't done an exhaustive accounting of their costs per package at the moment, and their cost per package dealing with USPS volume....

I will say that every other expense they have is the same as the USPS.

Their fuel costs, their vehicle costs, etc... are ALL the same.

The only difference is labor, and both UPS and fedex pay less for labor than the USPS does.

So, conceivably, their prices could, in fact, be lower than the USPS.
 
Im pretty sure those big brown trucks use a lot more fuel.
byteware said:
Right... so dividing their expenses by hundreds or thousands of customers per route won't drop their expenses, per package, by 80% or more...

While, I haven't done an exhaustive accounting of their costs per package at the moment, and their cost per package dealing with USPS volume....

I will say that every other expense they have is the same as the USPS.

Their fuel costs, their vehicle costs, etc... are ALL the same.

The only difference is labor, and both UPS and fedex pay less for labor than the USPS does.

So, conceivably, their prices could, in fact, be lower than the USPS.
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If they were able to absorb the workload without adding costs, maybe, thing is, they couldn't. Everytime I see the ups truck, it is filled with packages. A lot of times, towing a trailor filled with packages.
byteware said:
Right... so dividing their expenses by hundreds or thousands of customers per route won't drop their expenses, per package, by 80% or more...

While, I haven't done an exhaustive accounting of their costs per package at the moment, and their cost per package dealing with USPS volume....

I will say that every other expense they have is the same as the USPS.

Their fuel costs, their vehicle costs, etc... are ALL the same.

The only difference is labor, and both UPS and fedex pay less for labor than the USPS does.

So, conceivably, their prices could, in fact, be lower than the USPS.
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nlsme said:
Im pretty sure those big brown trucks use a lot more fuel.
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Really? You think they use more fuel per package than the Postal trucks do, even with their hybrid systems installed?

I would think you are wrong.

Point of fact, UPS has over 20,000 Green vehicles in it's fleet. Something I bet you didn't know.
 
nlsme said:
If they were able to absorb the workload without adding costs, maybe, thing is, they couldn't. Everytime I see the ups truck, it is filled with packages. A lot of times, towing a trailor filled with packages.
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While I have never seen a UPS truck towing a trailer, It is a given that they would add costs. They would need more trucks to move all that mail around, etc... However, there will be many offsets for that.

For example, every day the route will be the same, as opposed to having a new route every day depending on where your deliveries are. The routes can then be tweaked for maximum efficiency. That's only one thing to offset the costs.

The area that each individual truck will have to deliver in will be a fraction of what they currently have to deliver in. This means that each truck will use MUCH less fuel, especially as UPS is rolling out more and more vehicles with the hydraulic hybrid system.

Seriously, you should really look into it.

If you were going to design a system to deliver the mail, it wouldn't be the USPS.
 
nlsme said:
USPS - Postal Facts

Just reposting this so you can see they receive 0 dollars from taxpayers to run the usps. From them, not me.
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SEMANTICS!


The US Gov gives the USPS guaranteed loans, maximum of 3b a year up to 15 billion total.

Their technically "loans," in the form of "capital contributions." So their not obligated to pay it back, but once they hit 15b they can't get any more.

This is, for all intents and purposes "giving" the USPS money... Its a source of secure funding private institutions don't have access to. For FedEx to get loans to cover losses it has to prove its profitable (or will be). It has to show it will make money in the long run, providing a return on investments (loans.) No bank in the world would loan FedEx money if it had the USPS balance sheet.

So, yeah, tax money doesn't "fund" the USPS the way our taxes fund Highway construction, ie. a direct tax to pay for something. But the USPS has access to funds from the US Government (that it collects via taxes) that private corporations don't have access to, and its not required to pay back.
 
byteware said:
Really? You think they use more fuel per package than the Postal trucks do, even with their hybrid systems installed?

I would think you are wrong.

Point of fact, UPS has over 20,000 Green vehicles in it's fleet. Something I bet you didn't know.
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and only 5 hydraulic hybrids, that happen to weigh 24000 pounds. Yeah, they must have the same fuel costs. Im not coming back to this thread. Like a brick wall.
 
nlsme said:
and only 5 hydraulic hybrids, that happen to weigh 24000 pounds. Yeah, they must have the same fuel costs. Im not coming back to this thread. Like a brick wall.
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It's probably for the best...

UPS added 200 hybrid vehicles to their fleet of 20,000 green vehicles last April.

UPS adds 200 more hybrids to fleet of 20,000+ low emissions vehicles — Autoblog Green

But yeah, go ahead and make another unfounded claim and provide no proof, and demand that others disprove you yet again.

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As far as their value in fuel savings, UPS is not the USPS. They will not survive if they constantly lose money.
 
Wow, 200.They still weigh 24000 pounds, compareded to llv at like 5000 tops. They wont get the same mileage no matter. I posted a link to back up what I said. You grasp at 15b in loans like it matters. After 30 years, thats 500 mil a year average losses. Big deal, considering a 70b+ budget.
 
He was the one saying their fuel expenses were the same. I wasn't arguing the usps was perfect. But, we have covered this. Twenty times. You think 40 grand is a lot of money. It is a below average income in america. Enough said there.
 
nlsme said:
He was the one saying their fuel expenses were the same. I wasn't arguing the usps was perfect. But, we have covered this. Twenty times. You think 40 grand is a lot of money. It is a below average income in america. Enough said there.
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current us avg is about 45k, and in much of the nation this is enough.
the numbers are skewed by the population centers(NY, LA, phily, ect) where a 100sf apt rents for the same as a house payment is indiana.
but of course in these population centeres you cant eve change a lightbulb without a workorder, 3 union electritions and a hazmat team on standby. oh and they also seem to be full of liberal, democrats, and the like
but thats another topic :)
 
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