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I don't have groups. Individuals can be just as dangerous, perhaps more. Their reasoning behind their actions is 100% irrelevant. They act to instill fear in the hearts of Americans. All must be considered an equal threat or defenses will weaken. With weakened defenses comes security slip-ups.
 
Tommy78 said:
Name a group. The problem is that you can't. A couple of crazy white teenagers who killed other kids because they were made fun of is not a terrorist.
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Aryan Nations... and yes, the FBI has listed them as a terrorist group.

As stated multiple times above. Terrorism and terrorists come in all colors, shapes, sex, religion and sizes. It's not limited to one group of people....


IMO, the point of terrorism is to create terror. People getting overly scared (not saying anyone is) are doing exactly what the terrorists want (i.e. living in fear).
 
If I am not mistaken, this thread stemmed from another thread (I think by my request) regarding terrorist profiling specifically in airports. Anyone should feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

What is being suggested (or what people think is being suggested) is a little out of control now. It helps to read through the whole thread. Just saying. :)

If I am talking out my ass, please do let me know.
 
Oh, no worries. I read through the thread. :)

Trying, to reel it back in slowly rather than having the thread roam out of control.
 
I'm really surprised that you guys are fighting me every inch of the way here. We all know that there is a group of Muslims out to kill Americans who are at war with us and are terrorists. Why can't you just admit it and we can stop going in circles trying to bring up every possible detail of every case when a person was killed by another person. If this was 1941 and I said the Germans were out to kill Jews, you wouldn't try to talk me out of it and start naming other times when people were killed. You'd just know that it was true and go on your merry way.
 
Actually, I will go out and ask, since I am no longer clear on this anymore.

Some want Muslims to be scrutinizes a little more strictly than everyone else when at the airports.

So... can examples of this added scrutiny be provided? I know names were mentioned, but I personally feel that this is such and overwhelmingly low level of security it's not even worth it. What sorts of terrible terrorists has his name on a known watch list but continues to go by and keep that name. Identity theft is relatively easy, one would theink they would clear their name.
 
Tommy78 said:
I'm really surprised that you guys are fighting me every inch of the way here. We all know that there is a group of Muslims out to kill Americans who are at war with us and are terrorists. Why can't you just admit it and we can stop going in circles trying to bring up every possible detail of every case when a person was killed by another person. If this was 1941 and I said the Germans were out to kill Jews, you wouldn't try to talk me out of it and start naming other times when people were killed. You'd just know that it was true and go on your merry way.
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It is true. Had you suggested we should scrutinize every German because they might be here to attack Jews on American soil I would have issue with this too. As I mentioned, we put the Japanese in camps right around that time for similar reasons (we assumed they all posed a threat to our country and people). And... it was a terrible thing.
 
Tommy78 said:
Every Muslim terrorist that took over a plane that crashed somewhere used his real name.
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And was it known based on his real name that he was a terrorist prior to said attack? That said, how many crashes are we talking here. The three that all happened on the same day before we were really looking for anyone?
 
lordofthereef said:
And was it known based on his real name that he was a terrorist prior to said attack? That said, how many crashes are we talking here. The three that all happened on the same day before we were really looking for anyone?
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Yes, they were all known terrorists before and after the plane crashes. They just never did anything about it.
 
Tommy78 said:
Yes, they were all known terrorists before and after the plane crashes. They just never did anything about it.
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Well then, shame on security. One would think that if ANY name of a known terrorist pops up on a flight manifest it should pop up. Still, this shouldn't be limited to muslims. It really doesn't take much to make a name recognition algorithm. If it produces hits, look into it further. I must repeat though, this has nothing to do with the fact they were Muslims. A known name is a known name.
 
Tommy78 said:
Every Muslim terrorist that took over a plane that crashed somewhere used his real name.
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Tommy, you are generalizing the act of a few unique individuals to represent the actions of nations. From your argument, all Muslims are potential terrorists and need to be watched more closely. Just think of this, what if the Muslim is blond and blue eyes? Increasing airport profiling on stereotypical Muslim would mean that the blonde hair Muslim that's a suicide terrorist get through the crack as he doesn't look like a Muslim...

My sister is what I would considered as a mild racist. Every time she hears another soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan, she wonders why NATO countries simply don't bomb the whole country and get it over with. She's simply condemning a nation from the act of a small group.
 
Tommy78 said:
I'm really surprised that you guys are fighting me every inch of the way here. We all know that there is a group of Muslims out to kill Americans who are at war with us and are terrorists. Why can't you just admit it and we can stop going in circles trying to bring up every possible detail of every case when a person was killed by another person. If this was 1941 and I said the Germans were out to kill Jews, you wouldn't try to talk me out of it and start naming other times when people were killed. You'd just know that it was true and go on your merry way.
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Yes, there is a group of people (that happen to be Muslim) committing acts of terrorism. However that is not to say that all Muslims are terrorists, because that is simply untrue. You seem to be combining these pieces (Muslim and terrorists) of information into one (If I'm wrong, please correct me, but that's how I read your posts), which I kinda have a problem with. That's just like not all Germans in the 1930s - 1940s were Nazis. Now if you were to call them Al-Qaeda instead of "a group of Muslims" then you'd be correct. I simply don't like people implying that because someone comes from a certain race, religious group, or nationality that labels them with the same label the terrorists get. Can you please stop referring to them as a "group of Muslims" and start referring to them as "Al-Qaeda"?

I don't believe profiling people based on religion, race, national origin, etc is correct because its been shown that people of any race, religion, nationality, etc can be capable of doing horrible things. I think that everyone should be held to the same guidelines as everyone else (esp in regards to security and airports), that might actually prevent some tragedies.

I also have a problem when people state things as fact, when it's not.
 
Tommy78 said:
lotr: Watch the National Geographic: Inside 9/11. Please find that and watch it and talk to me after.
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I bet it's on Netflix. I'll take a look. That said, if their names were on a known terrorist list, someone dropped the ball. Still has nothing to do with their religion.
 
I won't. But that still doesn't answer my question. If the names were known beforehand, how is the fact that they were Muslim relevant? Seems if you have a name, whether I am black, white, Latino, etc. that should provide a hit somewhere if the proper checks were in place to begin with. This doesn't require looking at every Muslim. It requires doing a simple check of names on a flight manifest.
 
lordofthereef said:
I won't. But that still doesn't answer my question. If the names were known beforehand, how is the fact that they were Muslim relevant? Seems if you have a name, whether I am black, white, Latino, etc. that should provide a hit somewhere if the proper checks were in place to begin with. This doesn't require looking at every Muslim. It requires doing a simple check of names on a flight manifest.
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We knew they were out to kill us. They freely made radio transmissions explicitly telling us that they were out for revenge. That's why you need to watch it.
 
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