its available columbus i got it while i was @ walmart on morse rd lol i kno that doesent have anything to do with it
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The "I received the Htc fps update" thread
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its available columbus i got it while i was @ walmart on morse rd lol i kno that doesent have anything to do with it
drexappeal
Extreme Android User
Did you check for HTC Software updates? 2.2 would come up under that, not the firmware update. To date, I can't remember a single OTA update being available under firmware update.
kencrudup
Android Enthusiast
... and I can guarantee you that "stalls and slugishness" aren't due to the frame rate being held at 30 FPS.
In fact, your post is what irritates me about the whole thing- that people, after seeing some posts in a forum somewhere, read about "capped video" and think it means there's something "wrong" with their handsets- even to the point of bothering HTC about it, distracting them from doing something useful with that time- for a small change that has nothing to do with the above issues and in essence means very little to the day-to-day EVO experience except so that someone can swipe their screens all day "and it looks just like an iPhone".
Stang70Fastback
Well-Known Member
Here's my two cents. I didn't know anything about this 30 fps limit at all until today. I downloaded the update (which I knew nothing about) when my phone offered it to me this morning. I installed it, and went about my merry business. FIRST THING I noticed when using the phone afterwards was that everything felt smoother, and the phone felt a lot faster. I noticed that scrolling through homescreen pages, as well as anything else on the phone, along with any pop-up window animations, etc, felt a lot more fluid. That's when I went digging around here to find out what this update did, and how I learned about the 30 fps cap.
You can say whatever you want, but the truth is the fact that transitions and scrolls and other effects are silky smooth now simply makes the phone FEEL faster. And that, quite frankly, is half the battle won. There was a whole article on Gizmodo about how Chrome is taking over Firefox as the main browser most people use, and there was a whole section devoted to the fact that, regardless of which browser IS faster, Chrome FEELS faster, and therefore it's more of a joy to use.
Your argument is akin to saying "I don't care what the outside of my car looks like, because I only see it when I'm getting into my car to go on a drive." True, and guess what, there are people who drive beat-up old POS cars with the mufflers hanging off, and they are perfectly happy as long as it gets them from A to B. But guess what, most people DO care what their car looks like. I DO care that my phone now is as smooth as an iPhone. I saw someone using one the other day on the bus and SPECIFICALLY I noticed how smooth the transitions were on the device. Now my EVO is just as smooth. All day I've been messing with it and this little tweak has significantly improved the aesthetic appeal of the phone. I could go on and on but I think you get my point. Yes, it's not a crucial feature, no, it's not going to revolutionize how people use cellphones, but at the end of a busy, tiring day, it's nice to be able to walk out to the parking deck and take just a minute to appreciate your nice shiny car
kencrudup
Android Enthusiast
Of course I do- but so what have I gained now? 50 milliseconds more in my life every time I scroll in some app?
No, but my objections are two-fold:
First and most importantly, that I hope HTC didn't spend any significant change working on this non-issue (and presumably/possibly not working out problems with this handset like enhanced BT connectivity or getting us the newer SenseUI, etc.) just because a vocal minority of EVO users complained about it, and secondly, I'm incredulous at all the folks who likened the cap to "crippling" this phone, and how saving a few precious msec swiping the app screens and scrolling now makes what is already a GREAT handset into allegedly a "much better phone". For all we know, this update was really to fix something that really affected other users (like the Calendar Editing fix), but it's been released as the "FPS fix" as if that's really important.
I just only hope that down the line when the handset manufacturers triage the features of what's going into the next-generation of handsets that REAL design issues don't get put off because they'll have a memory of users b!tching about minor stuff like this.
kencrudup
Android Enthusiast
You should realize a lot of that speed and fluidity (especially for stuff like pop-up window animations, which wouldn't be affected by this cap) came from your reboot.
If you'll go back and browse the forum after the previous update came out, everyone said that it, too, made their phone a lot more faster and fluid too- and that was with the cap. Rebooting these handsets restarts the virtual memory, clears a lot of app caches, etc. and will always make things seem better than a handset that's been running for a while.
Stang70Fastback
Well-Known Member
You're saying this to someone who reboots their phone every night.
Complex757
Android Enthusiast
It fixed the connection problem with iHeartRadio so now I can listen to ESPN and Fox Sports while at work.
Theres nothing to support the supposition that any of the "fixes" or time/resource spent are mutually exclusive.
Your arguing the same line that essentially states that since its not important to you, its a wasted effort and then support that argument with theories, all the while invalidating anyone elses experience.
I understand you're firmly planted in the utilitarian camp, nothing wrong with that (though blackberry and 3.7ltr mustangs come to mind) however, why is it so hard to accept that others want both utility as well as asthetics and performance? Dumbing it down to a 50ms argument is absurd.
Android, Sense and Htc hardware provide this, continuously improving integration and performance. No reason to get upset over that. All this update says about HTC is that they do listen and try to deliver whenever possible.
kencrudup
Android Enthusiast
(Er, why?! ... but anyway ... )
Things like notification popups won't be affected by framerate caps; they're singular renderings and not temporal. A lot of what you think you're seeing is expectations.
Stang70Fastback
Well-Known Member
Ok, more like every other night, lol. Why? The same reason I reboot my computer every day or two. Because I like to know it's not bogged down with crap.
I don't care if they are quantum, 4-dimensional, space-monkey renderings, they are much smoother than they were. Perhaps the update solved some other issue my phone was having, but ALL animations I see are a lot smoother. I pointed out above that I had no idea what this update was supposed to do other than what was listed on the update screen, which for me was just a big fix in the calendar and something about G-Mail or something (which I don't use.) I only discovered what else the update did when I went snooping around after noticing how much better the phone ran. So no, it's not my "expectations" that led me to these conclusions. I had none. This was me noticing my phone working a lot better, and finding out why.
kencrudup
Android Enthusiast
I build Android handsets for a iiving. You'd be surprised how much compromise has to be done in the engineering stages for a new handset. It wouldn't surprise me that while they were figuring out how to support this minor issue- and not break things while doing so- something else, possibly more important, had to be put off or shelved altogether. It must not have been an easy fix, since they've likely been working on this handset for a year and it took three updates to get it published (... and for those in the "they just stole it from XDA" camp, IIRC the XDA devs couldn't get camera and something else I don't recall working in their uncapped implementation, so more work was needed from HTC to provide a production-quality release.)
But that's really all we gained; "pretty" we might see three times a day, and 50 more msec each time.
Anyway, this horse is dead, dead, dead. Unless someone replies to me specifically I'm out; we all know how we stand on this by now.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
Actually, we don't actually gain that 50ms
FPS means more frames are drawn in the same period of time. The animations are smoother, not faster. If you want faster animations, just swipe your finger faster.Agreed the horse died a while back.
apocalypse_later
Well-Known Member
Since I've gotten this update my phone hasn't been sleeping as much and its awake time is really high with bad battery life. Anyone else getting this?
kencrudup
Android Enthusiast
I'm at 52:01/16:16, so mine's OK.
What I have noticed is the phone app will sometimes FC after a call; that's kind of disturbing.
If you have root you can use drocap2 available on the Android market.
Why not? It doesn't have to be violent.
timmins1977
Lurker
The phone feels much better... but the battery life has gone out the window. I was getting almost two full days, if putting it in flight mode at night. Now I get barely one.
I've removed a few of the apps that were running in the background, but still no improvement. So all in all, I'm not sure it was worth the trade-off.
I also would like to know if this is true. Last time i used the 720p to record a video, i immediately deleted it because it was too choppy and i was embarrassed to play it back to my friends and family. (I told them that i accidentaly hit the delete button...lol)
frankiepapa
Member
drexappeal
Extreme Android User
I haven't rooted my phone, but after the update, ShootMe worked for non-rooted phones again, so I'm good. Thanks for the response though.
centauress
Member
Got the phone Saturday and tested for the problems I've seen on the forum. The streaming audio (using Pandora) was hollow and sputtery, the screen response -touch and scrolling - was jerky.
Applied the update Sunday - what a difference! Pandora worked like it did on my old Hero and the screen response - both in scrolling and finger following - was almost perfect.
Honestly, the comparison before/after is noticable. You just have to know what you're looking for. If where I flick/stroke/slide on the screen is improperly sensed because of a mostly-useless cap, then I'm glad it's been lifted. Getting back streaming audio and the calendar sync is also good.
Now, if they'd just port over Sense 2.0... a girl can dream...
Applied the update Sunday - what a difference! Pandora worked like it did on my old Hero and the screen response - both in scrolling and finger following - was almost perfect.
Honestly, the comparison before/after is noticable. You just have to know what you're looking for. If where I flick/stroke/slide on the screen is improperly sensed because of a mostly-useless cap, then I'm glad it's been lifted. Getting back streaming audio and the calendar sync is also good.
Now, if they'd just port over Sense 2.0... a girl can dream...