Root To Root With SOC or Not To Root With SOC That is Thee Question

[tattedman]

Ok we are going to settle this once and for all.....
I know alot(thats an understatement) of people can't stand SOC.... mostly due inpart you loose fastboot...... that is only true if you don't have it already installed...... I highly agree not to root unless you know what you are doing.... but still its a simple way to root your phone with less chance of bricking.....If you know what you are doing by all means use the advance guide.... but I still think that SOC is good for those people new to root.....
what is your peoples opinion? and I don't want replies like I got a few mins ago......

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER use Super One Click.

 

[Cl8rs]

I have never had a problem with Super One Click, I have used it multiple times. I have flashed many ROM's and never once any issue.

 

[dautley]

As you said if you have fastboot when you root with SOC you don't lose it.

If you want to dive in and get your hands dirty with Android (and have time) to do so, the guide is great especially the old one, I learned a lot from doing it. The new guide is much improved as far as not bricking goes but you still have to flash your ROM several times and there are some big downloads involved.

SOC is a small download and you just have to follow a simple set of instructions.

If you don't have fastboot and want it use the guide, if you already have it or don't need it, using SOC will give you the same result. ROOT!!

 

[KingOfGreen]

The way the guide is now if you HAVE fastboot. Id say its easier than SOC (ive never used it) and if you dont, i think you should have it as a saftey net more or less. I have used it just because i like to switch between roms and mess with alot of stuff and its the easiest way to go back and forth.

Also with fastboot i can flash a recovery and back up a completely stock rom (usefull if you gotta go back to big red) like dautley said the old guide had alot to teach if you were interested in learning and set up alot of good tools on your computer.

I believe if your making the jump and risking your phone and warranty you may as well do it that way for the best possible experienced because i be ALOT more of the people who post ridiculous texts about bootloops like its the end of the world used SOC and not the guide (not to say there werent anywhoe who used the guide) but i would go as far as to put it like its gonna blow your phone up.

 

[jeckel]

Refer to d2as unbricking guide if ur scared to brick ur phone with the more advanced way. I say advanced way > soc

 

[tattedman]

The way the guide is now if you HAVE fastboot. Id say its easier than SOC (ive never used it) and if you dont, i think you should have it as a saftey net more or less. I have used it just because i like to switch between roms and mess with alot of stuff and its the easiest way to go back and forth.

Also with fastboot i can flash a recovery and back up a completely stock rom (usefull if you gotta go back to big red) like dautley said the old guide had alot to teach if you were interested in learning and set up alot of good tools on your computer.

I believe if your making the jump and risking your phone and warranty you may as well do it that way for the best possible experienced because i be ALOT more of the people who post ridiculous texts about bootloops like its the end of the world used SOC and not the guide (not to say there werent anywhoe who used the guide) but i would go as far as to put it like its gonna blow your phone up.

I haven't seen the new guide..... I'm sure its easier than before........ I just think if all these people that are gun hole to root.... I highly dough that the ones still wet behind the ears are going to be crossing the lines of safety... they want to feel warm and fuzzy breaking there warranty

I mean Im down to take the hard way any day...... you think the ally guide was bad you should see the mytouch slide..... PITA I feel embarrassed to admit that I rooted my cliq 2 with z4 root cause I couldn't find any old school way........

 

[dots]

Should see the original way to root the ally, now that was a great learning experience.

I think of it like this. If you plan on rooting just to tether or remove some bloat go with SOC. If you plan on rooting to flash custom roms and such and DO NOT have fastboot i highly recommend doing the root guide. Why? I'm sure you all know the answer. Yes to have fastboot access. Say if your phone is in a boot loop and your custom recovery didn't stick for some odd reason. You can use fastboot (assuming you everything setup.) to flash a custom recovery, you can use fastboot to wipe data/cache and do much more. That was just an example.

Now if you didn't have fastboot access for the above example your likely screwed if the unbrick guide doesn't work

And the above example is something that has happened when someone came looking for help on IRC. I usually base my examples off IRC experiences.

 

[death2all110]

Should see the original way to root the ally, now that was a great learning experience.

I think of it like this. If you plan on rooting just to tether or remove some bloat go with SOC. If you plan on rooting to flash custom roms and such and DO NOT have fastboot i highly recommend doing the root guide. Why? I'm sure you all know the answer. Yes to have fastboot access. Say if your phone is in a boot loop and your custom recovery didn't stick for some odd reason. You can use fastboot (assuming you everything setup.) to flash a custom recovery, you can use fastboot to wipe data/cache and do much more. That was just an example.

Now if you didn't have fastboot access for the above example your likely screwed if the unbrick guide doesn't work

And the above example is something that has happened when someone came looking for help on IRC. I usually base my examples off IRC experiences.

Oh man I remember those days. of 2.1 and asroot2. If you thing the "advanced" guide is a PITA guys, then you are sadly mistaken my fellow users. The original method had to be done on windows or linux, and if you couldnt get it on windows your best bet was to use linux, and if you couldnt get it on there, keep running the command, mount/unmount sd card, rinse & repeat until you got root. MAJOR PITA!

I miss it though. It was fun in a "IMA GET THIS SOMETIME TODAY EVEN IF IT KILLS ME" kinda way.

 

[KingOfGreen]

Oh man I remember those days. of 2.1 and asroot2. If you thing the "advanced" guide is a PITA guys, then you are sadly mistaken my fellow users. The original method had to be done on windows or linux, and if you couldnt get it on windows your best bet was to use linux, and if you couldnt get it on there, keep running the command, mount/unmount sd card, rinse & repeat until you got root. MAJOR PITA!

I miss it though. It was fun in a "IMA GET THIS SOMETIME TODAY EVEN IF IT KILLS ME" kinda way.

When i first got my phone in november i used that guide i found on here. Took hours of trying the same shit. Bever had an android phone before, all i knew was i wanted amazon mp3 gone and i was gonna do it haha

 

[DoctorZaius68]

I used both. I went back to VZ6 for fastboot, using the "guide" and then rooted with SOC. I had trouble using the guide to obtain root for 2.2.1.

I really don't understand why people get so stressed about this issue. Some people like the guide and other like SOC - it is what it is!

 

[death2all110]

As long as you have fastboot its not that big of a deal. Its when people begin to rely on 1-click methods that get to be a problem.

 

[ds801]

Sorry if this is a basic question, but what exactly does "have Fastboot" mean? I'm slowly working up the knowledge (and courage) to root my Ally, and I thought I understood what Fastboot was, but after seeing the comments in this thread I'm not so sure.

So far I've installed the Android SDK, and I can connect to the phone and run commands using adb, including rebooting into the bootloader, where you can run the fastboot utility (that came with the SDK) to run commands on the device. But the comments here about "having Fastboot" sound like there's more to it than that, like there's something has to be installed or modified on the phone or something.

Any clarification on this is appreciated!

 

[KingOfGreen]

Sorry if this is a basic question, but what exactly does "have Fastboot" mean? I'm slowly working up the knowledge (and courage) to root my Ally, and I thought I understood what Fastboot was, but after seeing the comments in this thread I'm not so sure.

So far I've installed the Android SDK, and I can connect to the phone and run commands using adb, including rebooting into the bootloader, where you can run the fastboot utility (that came with the SDK) to run commands on the device. But the comments here about "having Fastboot" sound like there's more to it than that, like there's something has to be installed or modified on the phone or something.

Any clarification on this is appreciated!

Fastboot is your phones bootloader. You can google it or someone else may explain it better. But its a REALLY low level interface for the pc to flash file systems to the phone. Like recovery, ROMs, radio (i think). Also handy because if you get in a bootloop and your recovery doesnt stick or get corrupted somehow. Fastboot will be the best and easiest way to reflash recovery or rom or both to get your phone working again.

 

[ds801]

Fastboot is your phones bootloader. You can google it or someone else may explain it better. But its a REALLY low level interface for the pc to flash file systems to the phone. Like recovery, ROMs, radio (i think). Also handy because if you get in a bootloop and your recovery doesnt stick or get corrupted somehow. Fastboot will be the best and easiest way to reflash recovery or rom or both to get your phone working again.

Thanks for the response! (And PS, thanks for the response to my other post about using Nandroid backups to "Ghost" the phone's system!)

I understand that Fastboot is the phone's bootloader, but what I don't quite get is what the people above are saying about how using SuperOneClick to root the phone causes you to "lose" Fastboot, unless you already "have Fastboot installed". As in:

"I know alot(thats an understatement) of people can't stand SOC.... mostly due inpart you loose fastboot...... that is only true if you don't have it already installed......"

and:
"As you said if you have fastboot when you root with SOC you don't lose it."

and:
"The way the guide is now if you HAVE fastboot. Id say its easier than SOC (ive never used it) and if you dont, i think you should have it as a saftey net more or less."

So Fastboot is the phone's bootloader, it came with the phone, and I am able to access it without making any changes to the phone from stock, or installing anything (I just use the Android SDK to reboot into bootloader, then run Fastboot commands). Or at least that's how it seems to me so far. I'm just trying to understand the above statements, as it seems pretty important for me to know what I'm doing if I'm going to root my phone.

 

[dots]

Thanks for the response! (And PS, thanks for the response to my other post about using Nandroid backups to "Ghost" the phone's system!)

I understand that Fastboot is the phone's bootloader, but what I don't quite get is what the people above are saying about how using SuperOneClick to root the phone causes you to "lose" Fastboot, unless you already "have Fastboot installed". As in:

"I know alot(thats an understatement) of people can't stand SOC.... mostly due inpart you loose fastboot...... that is only true if you don't have it already installed......"

and:
"As you said if you have fastboot when you root with SOC you don't lose it."

and:
"The way the guide is now if you HAVE fastboot. Id say its easier than SOC (ive never used it) and if you dont, i think you should have it as a saftey net more or less."

So Fastboot is the phone's bootloader, it came with the phone, and I am able to access it without making any changes to the phone from stock, or installing anything (I just use the Android SDK to reboot into bootloader, then run Fastboot commands). Or at least that's how it seems to me so far. I'm just trying to understand the above statements, as it seems pretty important for me to know what I'm doing if I'm going to root my phone.

See, when the Ally was released in May of last year it originally shipped with SW version VS740ZV6 had fastboot access. Whenever the first ota started shipping out anyone that had VS740ZV6 and would upgrade via ota to ZVB and up would still keep there fastboot access. BUT if someone bought a phone shipped with VS740ZVB and up (ZVC, ZVD, ZVE) they didnt have fastboot access. It was there but not useable.

Now SOC doesn't block fastboot access. BUT if you root with SOC and have a phone shipped with ZVB on up you likely don't have fastboot access (I've seen cases where some didn't and some did, so maybe they gave me some mis information on there phone when i asked.) That's why the guide downgrades you to ZV6 so you can get/keep fastboot access.

Haven't messed with an ally in awhile so trying to do my best off my memory.

 

[KingOfGreen]

And for anybody who says you will never need/use fastboot as this thread was building up http://androidforums.com/ally-all-things-root/329600-boot-loop-problem-i-cant-get-into-recovery.html

 

[tattedman]

ok that is one case I remember I believe it was D2A said hes never needed to use fastboot and hes pushed the limit...... that is the first case of needing fastboot iv seen..... this was not intend for anyone that is an advanced user thats going to push the limits but come on we all know there are users that just want to root for the fact that have that awesome amazing superuser icon to impress there friends hahaha

I had fastboot on my mytouch slide I had the oh crap oh crap times when rooting that phone and still never needed fastboot..... the worst time was unrooting it... that was a PITA......

OFF TOPIC: why in the last 5 minutes have I seen atleast 4 commercials for the IPhone..... and has anyone noticed that each release they are starting to look more like an android phone?

 

[dautley]

Here's another program that will root and unroot 2.2.1 or 2.2.2. GengerBreak.APK. It's ran from the phone much like z4root was. Copy it to the root directory of your sd card and install. [26.04.2011][v1.2] GingerBreak APK (root for GingerBread) - xda-developers

While I haven't experienced any problems with this app. You should back up your SD card before running it just in case.

WARNING: Apparently on some devices the root exploit causes the SD card (internal or external) to be formatted.

 

[KingOfGreen]

I just had to post it because it happened as this was going on. Kinda funny.

 

[dots]

ok that is one case I remember I believe it was D2A said hes never needed to use fastboot and hes pushed the limit...... that is the first case of needing fastboot iv seen..... this was not intend for anyone that is an advanced user thats going to push the limits but come on we all know there are users that just want to root for the fact that have that awesome amazing superuser icon to impress there friends hahaha

I had fastboot on my mytouch slide I had the oh crap oh crap times when rooting that phone and still never needed fastboot..... the worst time was unrooting it... that was a PITA......

OFF TOPIC: why in the last 5 minutes have I seen atleast 4 commercials for the IPhone..... and has anyone noticed that each release they are starting to look more like an android phone?

I've seen this instance more than once, just in IRC. Some people come there cause its easier to receive help with this type of situation in real time. But yes its not a common occurence but it does happen.

I still see iphone 3g commericals and im mind boggled as to why they still sell them. At $50 at that for 2yr contract!

 

[ds801]

So what / where is the current "advanced guide" for rooting the LG Ally? The only guide I'm seeing for the Ally is what's sticky'd under "All Things Root", but that looks like it's an automated method (other than making sure the USB drivers are installed).

 

[KingOfGreen]

So what / where is the current "advanced guide" for rooting the LG Ally? The only guide I'm seeing for the Ally is what's sticky'd under "All Things Root", but that looks like it's an automated method (other than making sure the USB drivers are installed).

hahahahahaha thats the "advanced" guide! It WAS a little more than that before.