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Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman official discussion thread

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Bnice said:
@ fuzzy. How you know TM a thug. You just as bad as that dead horse trying to tanish TM. If GZ had identify himself as the neighbor hood watch in an appropriate manner this could have been a different out come.
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Here are some Thuggery FACTS from EVIDENCE for you instead of meaningless to the discussion, emotional BS fluff. :rolleyes:

Not a single mark on Martin's face from receiving a blow.

Not a single mark on Zimmy's hands from giving one.

ALL witnesses describe Zimmy as perhaps The Most unlikely individual to START a physical fight. You don't start fist fights when you KNOW you're gonna get your ass kicked.

If you are truly sensical, the most likely scenario IS what Zimmy said. That Martin said, "You got a problem?", "Zimmy said Nope" and Martin said, 'You do NOW!" and sucker punched him. That makes the most sense to ANYONE who knows the facts. That was Martin''s first committed Felony, (STILL a child?) Battery, and it Started the Process that ended in his taking the eternal celestial dirt nap.

There's ONE act of Thuggery for you. Here's some more.

Martin was a 17 year old school troublemaker doper who took dope TO SCHOOL. He was immersed in the ghetto world of rap, fight clubs, dope and guns. GUNS. FIREARMS. He had the pic of the one he was GOING TO GET on his phone. And, being a minor, That would have been his First Official Thuggery act outside of Zimmy. And again, his first committed (Childish?) FELONY.

That sounds pretty damn thugistic to me. :rolleyes:

(Here's a few more FACTS for you in case it's not clear to you yet.

Zimmy had every legal right to follow Martin.
Zimmy had every legal right to ask him what he was doing there.
Zimmy Could Have legally told the 911 civilian, non-cop dispatcher to go screw himself much less Have to Listen to or Obey him.
MARTIN HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT TO LAY A FINGER ON ZIMMY.

Lastly, but not leastly.
People who go to the effort,time and expense to legally obtain a weapon and a CC permit SIMPLY DO NOT GET INTO FISHFIGHTS JUST SO THEY CAN *USE* THOSE ITEMS. (Especially wimpyass wussie boys like the Zim Man.)

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
Bnice said:
We can all sit back and say he could have done this and that. GZ could have mind his own business. Thugs come in all shape and forums so maybe you need to expand your horizon on thug and stop thinking it has to be some rapper image.
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He was minding his own and looking out for his own. Thugs do come in all shapes and sizes but this rapper image isn't one how looked had nothing to do with how I came to see him as a thug his words actions prior to leading up to the incident his character fit the thug image and attitude fit the rapper thug image. May have said what he could have done only to explain this I what a non thug would had done what I would had done. I have been followed in strores given harsh stares and dirty look just for being black but have I responded as he did no. I carried on. I been harassed by police many times only to be let go because I wasn't causing trouble or looking for it. In Detroit it isn't as bad as people make it out but you can get around easy if your a non threatening person.

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Bnice said:
Thugs come in all shape and forums so maybe you need to expand your horizon on thug and stop thinking it has to be some rapper image.
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There was PLENTY of EVIDENCE that the Prosecution kept OUT of the trial on Martin's OWN PHONE and life that shows he was deeply into the ghetto rap world. He Was a little thug wannabee. He learned every thug lesson right except the don't bring Skittles to a gun fight one.

There's no imagining necessary.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
Again, he wasn't doing any of the things you all are saying that night. He was walking home, and his father lived in the complex, so he had a right to be there. From the official transcript, and I don't know how to verify if it's official or not, it show that GZ said he started running away from him. It sounds like GZ continued to follow him after he ran in the opposite direction.

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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html
 
Zimmy Could Have legally told the 911 civilian, non-cop dispatcher to go screw himself much less Have to Listen to or Obey him.
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What is the purpose of calling 911, if you're not going to do what they tell you? After all, the police dept. wouldn't hire them if they didn't feel they will be qualified to accept 911 calls and I'm sure they are following the police procedures for taking calls.
 
PrinceCorwin said:
I'm already hearing people talk about new laws prohibiting citizens who are not police from getting involved in confronting any suspicious people... Thus my setup theory proposed in OP
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Interestingly, we need people to help the police because the cops are not required to help. That sounds like crazy talk, but a few searches will help you.

Secondly, that the cops cannot be everywhere and when something bad goes down, you need citizens with brains to lend a needed hand, if the situation is dire enough.

Third, hang around casa del Bob and you look suspecious, I will confront you. Bank on that.

Forth, I am not sure I believe these new laws will come to pass.
 
saptech said:
What is the purpose of calling 911, if you're not going to do what they tell you? After all, the police dept. wouldn't hire them if they didn't feel they will be qualified to accept 911 calls and I'm sure they are following the police procedures for taking calls.
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you call 911 to get help. Usually, you should stay out of it depending on what "it" is, however.

Man is beating a woman and the cops are 20 minutes out. What do you do?
 
I can't wait to see O'mara and West tear NBC a new one for DOCTORING the tape to make Zimmy the racist.

I don't watch NBC now.

I MIGHT watch it when they lose the case and it becomes ZBC (The Zimmy Broadcasting Network). :D

Then comes getting that whackadoodle Prosecutor from Jax disbarred and a new career at Wendy's.

The moron NAACP Leader doesn't know how right it got it. (But on the Wrong Side.)

It DAMN SURE ain't over YET.

(Oh and you eedeeit Homeowner's officers that jumped the gun and gave the Martin's $1,000,000 for no reason at all, YOU gotta go too if you haven't been voted out already.)

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
Bob Maxey said:
you call 911 to get help. Usually, you should stay out of it depending on what "it" is, however.

Man is beating a woman and the cops are 20 minutes out. What do you do?
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20 mins is great response time as the song goes 911 is a joke in your town I.e My town, we are the let it burn city. so we try to police ourselves we deal with the drug dealers by letting them deal and they in gang bang and shoot elsewhere (the hispanic gangs not so much they are kinda wild) call the cops for something for something like somebody looks like they are up to no good, you wont see a squad carfor hours.
 
OcalaFlGuy said:
There was PLENTY of EVIDENCE that the Prosecution kept OUT of the trial on Martin's OWN PHONE and life that shows he was deeply into the ghetto rap world. He Was a little thug wannabee. He learned every thug lesson right except the don't bring Skittles to a gun fight one.

There's no imagining necessary.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
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Once again we are dealing with what took place on that fatal night.
 
I just want this to be put on here so some of you will know GZ wasn't as nice a guy as you would like him to be!

In 2005, a woman filed a petition for an injunction against Zimmerman, claiming that he came to her house and became violent when she told him to leave.

Just a month before that, the paper reports, Zimmerman was at a bar near the University of Central Florida when a friend was arrested on suspicion of serving minors. Zimmerman became profane and pushed a law enforcement agent who tried to escort him away. He was arrested after a short struggle.

Though he appears not to have been an official member of the national Neighborhood Watch program, he was zealous -- perhaps over-zealous -- about patrolling his Sanford community, neighbors say.
 
nor did he post on facebook about illegaly buying a gun and breaking crackas noses

nobody has ever said he was a saint...... in fact I believe everyone has been pretty open about that fact that hes not a good guy at all... you just choose to gloss over that because it doesnt fit your agenda

how a sweet angel like TM fell victim to a racist troublemaker

you want to hide the fact that TM was the worst kind of trash punk around.... forget his previous illegal behaviors... forget his prior history of drugs and fighting... forget his wannabe thug lifestyle... focus on destroying GZs character because it plays to your agenda

they were both idiot scum....

one paid the price for being idiot scum... and my guess is some other revenge seeking idiot scum will get GZ (and then youll probably say its OK because he deserved it)

the ONLY thing that matters is that GZ acted legally... yes I will grant you up until the point of attacking GZ and trying to murder him that TM also acted legally.... once that point was crossed.. GZ continued to act legally and defended his life

the facts in this case.. yes FACTS... bare this out.... nothing to see here move along

anything else you try to add to the story is just for the sake of race baiting

which of course is the only reason this is a story to begin with
 
Outatime said:
At one point he stopped going home and started beating someone's head into the concrete.
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So you was there and witness all this? If GZ head was taking such a beating he sure had enough time to draw his gun and remove the safety .
 
Yes because you are a gun owner and carrier and know how long it takes to draw down on someone in a high stress environment, its very quick because people with ccw tend to practice

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Bnice said:
So you was there and witness all this? If GZ head was taking such a beating he sure had enough time to draw his gun and remove the safety .
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After much delay and obfuscation by the "news" I finally witnessed the unaltered photo from the night of the incident with blood pouring down the back of GZ's head.
 
As much as I agree with why so quick to shoot, I like to say fear is really something maybe he was trying to say it but he caught too many bricks?

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Ok,I think trying to talk to someone that was beating your head on the concrete at the time wouldn't make any sense.

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Just for clarification, when you take a CCW class they explain which situations you are allowed to show your weapon (or even make reference to it). IF what is said was true and IF he truly was having his head bashed in and IF he truly felt his life was in danger then it's to that point where you deadly force is authorized.

As an example, if someone robs a bank with a gun and the gun stays pointed at the ground, you can't even touch your weapon as no human threat has been made. When they raise it to a 45 degree angle, you are allowed to touch your weapon. When a physical threat is made to someone (ie weapon pointed at someone) then deadly force is authorized. If he points it at a COMPUTER and fires, you can't do anything. Until a threat is made and the threat has become credible then deadly force is authorized.

As another example, if someone car jacks you and you are on the ground and he's getting in the car (with no one else in the car) you can't pull your weapon. If you have a baby in the car and you are scared for their life, you can.

Like I said, IF all of actions above were true, saying "I have a gun and will use it" is not only pointless but possibly puts more lives at risk.



I still believe that there are a hundred things that COULD have changed to prevent this tragedy from happening (like the other user, ANYONE dying is a sad thing) but as I previously stated, hindsight is 20/20.

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Kelmar said:
Just for clarification, when you take a CCW class they explain which situations you are allowed to show your weapon (or even make reference to it). IF what is said was true and IF he truly was having his head bashed in and IF he truly felt his life was in danger then it's to that point where you deadly force is authorized.

As an example, if someone robs a bank with a gun and the gun stays pointed at the ground, you can't even touch your weapon as no human threat has been made. When they raise it to a 45 degree angle, you are allowed to touch your weapon. When a physical threat is made to someone (ie weapon pointed at someone) then deadly force is authorized. If he points it at a COMPUTER and fires, you can't do anything. Until a threat is made and the threat has become credible then deadly force is authorized.

As another example, if someone car jacks you and you are on the ground and he's getting in the car (with no one else in the car) you can't pull your weapon. If you have a baby in the car and you are scared for their life, you can.

Like I said, IF all of actions above were true, saying "I have a gun and will use it" is not only pointless but possibly puts more lives at risk.



I still believe that there are a hundred things that COULD have changed to prevent this tragedy from happening (like the other user, ANYONE dying is a sad thing) but as I previously stated, hindsight is 20/20.

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And don't forget that those rules are different in every state...self defense with a gun is a legal nightmare. That's what makes me nervous when they hawk concealed carry training at gun shows like it is popcorn. A lot of people don't seem to understand the gravity of making the decision to end someone's life, even if there is no other way out.
 
Kelmar said:
Just for clarification, when you take a CCW class they explain which situations you are allowed to show your weapon (or even make reference to it). IF what is said was true and IF he truly was having his head bashed in and IF he truly felt his life was in danger then it's to that point where you deadly force is authorized.

As an example, if someone robs a bank with a gun and the gun stays pointed at the ground, you can't even touch your weapon as no human threat has been made. When they raise it to a 45 degree angle, you are allowed to touch your weapon. When a physical threat is made to someone (ie weapon pointed at someone) then deadly force is authorized. If he points it at a COMPUTER and fires, you can't do anything. Until a threat is made and the threat has become credible then deadly force is authorized.

As another example, if someone car jacks you and you are on the ground and he's getting in the car (with no one else in the car) you can't pull your weapon. If you have a baby in the car and you are scared for their life, you can.

Like I said, IF all of actions above were true, saying "I have a gun and will use it" is not only pointless but possibly puts more lives at risk.



I still believe that there are a hundred things that COULD have changed to prevent this tragedy from happening (like the other user, ANYONE dying is a sad thing) but as I previously stated, hindsight is 20/20.

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Kel, you are making SWEEPING generalizations that are specific to your state as if it were national. Please make sure you tell people to which state you're referring.

In PA I am fully within my rights to use lethal force to defend my life, my property, or someone else's life.
 
Hopefully no one will do what you suggest.
That's called Brandishing A Weapon.
It's a FELONY. (If you commit another crime in Fla, just SHOWING a weapon gets 10 years added to the original crimes sentence.)
You pull it, you use it. Period.
You really should try and give advice here that WON'T get people put in jail listening to it. :rolleyes:

Kelmar said:
As an example, if someone robs a bank with a gun and the gun stays pointed at the ground, you can't even touch your weapon as no human threat has been made. When they raise it to a 45 degree angle, you are allowed to touch your weapon. When a physical threat is made to someone (ie weapon pointed at someone) then deadly force is authorized. If he points it at a COMPUTER and fires, you can't do anything. Until a threat is made and the threat has become credible then deadly force is authorized.

As another example, if someone car jacks you and you are on the ground and he's getting in the car (with no one else in the car) you can't pull your weapon. If you have a baby in the car and you are scared for their life, you can.

Like I said, IF all of actions above were true, saying "I have a gun and will use it" is not only pointless but possibly puts more lives at risk.

I still believe that there are a hundred things that COULD have changed to prevent this tragedy from happening (like the other user, ANYONE dying is a sad thing) but as I previously stated, hindsight is 20/20.

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I don't know where you took your CC class at but it damn sure wasn't Florida Nor is it in the same GALAXY as another 3 states I'm familiar with.

Please show your back-up for the silly degree and can't fire if the suspect doesn't shoot AT somebody BS. I won't hold my breath because I am pretty close to positive you can't. PLEASE DO Show us.

Also please show where in your state those restrictions exist for a car jacking victim.

We're waiting...

In Florida a citizen can use deadly force to prevent the commission of any forcible felony. There's a bunch of those. None of them require you to carry a damn protractor with your weapon to be sure the angles are right for you to use it. :rolleyes:

Please back up the BS info you are spewing. This post is possible The Most Full of Wrong Info post in this whole thread. And THAT'S a MAJOR accomplishment. Your advice is even WORSE. His only get's you charged with a Felony. Your advice gets someone DEAD.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 
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