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UK iPhone 4 owner has had enough!!!

I'm gonna give that a go later :)

Loving my Desire at the moment on GV 1.4.

Currently running SE's Arc launcher and I have to say, it is very very nice. Anyone else tried it... I really recommend it :)
 
The Desire is brilliant - I use mine all the time. It is old in 'phone years' though. Downloaded the game 'cordy' from the market and it told me I had to run it with simple graphics. Made me sad! I know there will be lots coming out for the next gen phones which the Desire may struggle with.
 
coos lick said:
The Desire is brilliant - I use mine all the time. It is old in 'phone years' though. Downloaded the game 'cordy' from the market and it told me I had to run it with simple graphics. Made me sad! I know there will be lots coming out for the next gen phones which the Desire may struggle with.
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Really? Sure there are more powerful processors out there on android, but the 1ghz snapdragon is still pretty quick as they go. Only the newer dual core, or maybe the DHD ones are any better. It's still up there in power.
 
the gpu on the desire is quite below par in comparison to the newer devices and no where near that of the iphone 4
 
Hardware-wise there's quite a few things you'll miss from the iPhone 4.. camera, GPU/CPU, screen (unless you're lucky enough to get an AMOLED version but this is unlikely), built-in storage, sound quality.

Software-wise it depends on what you like. Personally I prefer customisation over simplicity and integration. Android is so much more powerful than iOS, but you need to put more effort into customising it to your liking. There are many different ways of getting things done on an Android phone, not just the one way like how Apple often does things. For example, if you want to sync your music you can do, but you can also just copy/paste everything onto an SD card and pop that in your phone.

I had a first gen iPhone and used it up until 2.xx (can't remember the exact smaller version number). For me the Desire is a billion times better than that ever was!

I would definitely wait and get the Desire S if you're thinking of getting a Desire.
 
Rastaman-FB said:
the gpu on the desire is quite below par in comparison to the newer devices and no where near that of the iphone 4
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Desire GPU is one of the old ones, but iPhone4 GPU is also below the average standard.

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Well, you need to consider the fact that iphone 4 has higher native resolution, so more pixels to push in the fps race. That already is a disadvantage for it.

However, that doesn't change the fact that iphone 4 is using the old PowerVR SGX535 GPU, which is comparable to Adreno 205, but is miles behind SGX540 used in Galaxy S/ Nexus S.

That much about the actual GPU power. The rest is OS operationalization and games programming.
 
Usta said:
Well, you need to consider the fact that iphone 4 has higher native resolution, so more pixels to push in the fps race. That already is a disadvantage for it.

However, that doesn't change the fact that iphone 4 is using the old PowerVR SGX535 GPU, which is comparable to Adreno 205, but is miles behind SGX540 used in Galaxy S/ Nexus S.

That much about the actual GPU power. The rest is OS operationalization and games programming.
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i was refering to this post not the modern ones

Really? Sure there are more powerful processors out there on android, but the 1ghz snapdragon is still pretty quick as they go. Only the newer dual core, or maybe the DHD ones are any better. It's still up there in power.
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But thats the thing, It uses the CPU to process graphics. The Nexus1 and desire do not have a dedicated GPU
 
SUroot said:
But thats the thing, It uses the CPU to process graphics. The Nexus1 and desire do not have a dedicated GPU
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Nexus One / Desire have a dedicated GPU, and its called Adreno 200. This is standard part of 1st generation Snapdragon platform.

However, you are right that both phones have to rely on CPU power only to process graphics. That's because Android lacks the GPU acceleration.
A matter to be fixed starting from Honeycomb (v3.0).
 
Usta said:
Nexus One / Desire have a dedicated GPU, and its called Adreno 200. This is standard part of 1st generation Snapdragon platform.

However, you are right that both phones have to rely on CPU power only to process graphics. That's because Android lacks the GPU acceleration.
A matter to be fixed starting from Honeycomb (v3.0).
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so how come the other devices excell in 3d operations on android due to a dedicated 3d chip

i would like to know where you are sourcing your information as it kinda makes sense but that leaves some things unexplained
 
Rastaman-FB said:
so how come the other devices excell in 3d operations on android due to a dedicated 3d chip

i would like to know where you are sourcing your information as it kinda makes sense but that leaves some things unexplained
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Look at the Qualcomm Snapdragon page: Mobile Processors | Snapdragon | Qualcomm

Here you can see the chipsets they produce for Desire based on 1st gen Snapdragons and including Adreno 200 GPU (QSD8x50 series).

The 2nd gen Snap goes to the phones like Desire HD and includes Adreno 205 GPU (MSM8x55 series).

The 3rd gen Snap is what is expected to be put in HTC's dual core phones and includes Adreno 220 GPU (comparable to PowerVR SGX540, MSM8x60 series).
 
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That's because Android lacks the GPU acceleration.
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from what ive seen the newer handsets from the likes of samsung and motoroll have massive fps and graphics rendering power in current android environments
 
Rastaman-FB said:
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from what ive seen the newer handsets from the likes of samsung and motoroll have massive fps and graphics rendering power in current android environments
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The processing power is a combination of many elements, most of which are integrated in one platform - SoC (System on Chip).
The massive fps that you see in Atrix or SGS2 or Optimus 3D is a result of reducing some of the bottlenecks in the previous phones. These phones run on Cortex A9 processor which is a great jump compared to the single core Cortex A8 processors used mostly in 2010.

About GPU acceleration, the matter is extensively described here: Issue 6914 - android - Make android use the GPU (if available) for UI and browsing. - Project Hosting on Google Code
 
Desire is fine in most cases, but even the year old and slower Motorola Droid (Milestone) does graphics rendering better than the Desire due to its integrated GPU. Samsung is obviously king of GPU rendering, but saying the iPhone is better than the Desire... lol
 
graphics wise it is, much better, fact
look at those clips

ive seen those in my hand and its quite breathtaking for a phone

im not an iphone person and ill always choose my android over an iphone as im not really a phone gamer (pc gamer) but the proof is in the pudding considering desire can only just push 30fps in neocore
 
I think we need to separate two things:
1) Menu, UI and scrolling acceleration. This is present in iphone, but is missing in Android
2) Graphics and 3D performance. Here iphone is no better than most of the high-end Androids, because it uses the "standard" SGX535 GPU. The Motorola Milestone is using even the weaker SGX530 GPU.

Perhaps, the amount of polygons (in triangles) that can typically be drawn in one second is a good indication of GPU's processing power. As far as I know, her are a few examples:

PowerVR SGX540 (SGS) - 90 million triangles/sec
Adreno 220 (Desire ???) - 88 million triangles/sec
Adreno 205 (Desire HD) - 41 million triangles/sec
PowerVR SGX535 (iphone 4) - 28 million triangles/sec
Adreno 200 (Desire) - 22 million triangles/sec
PowerVR SGX530 (Motorola Milestone) 14 million triangles/sec
 
i said the iphone 4 has better graphics than the desire, in which it does
the other chipsets are for newer devices which i said was better than desire which they are.

im not understanding the point you are trying to make

this is a desire forum. i was telling someone that the desires flaw is graphics in which that is the case
 
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