welfare

[Member243850]

you wont get a culture of respect without eductation and you wont get good eductation without helping families who need it

I hope I am not misunderstanding but I disagree,

If that culture is very hard working, honest and reliable like the people of South Korea and Japan then education and other good values / beliefs will definitely come in good time... it is only a matter of time that they will become highly educated and powerful civilizations and welfare won't really be neccessary any more.

And I hope I am not reading you incorrectly and I apologize if i have, but to have or give respect has nothing at all to do with education.

Some people are completey poor and they are really wonderful, loving awe inspiring people, and many will respect them because of it.

And those people, really really do deserve respect regardless of their eduction,

And yes shadow!

I totally agree with you 120% shadow that those that are sadly / unfortunately poor but have a good culture / behaviour then yes!!

Help them as much as you possibly can!

And maybe their unfortunate situation is beyond his / her control for some very important reasons like these:

1) economic meltdowns that are beyond a unique indiviuals control

2) foolish wars that are meaningless and cause serious trouble in the world like Iraq

3) and there are other reasons,

Then yes shadow i toally agree with you!

This is where we can agree without any issues at all.

I have absolutely no problems with welfare or giving that person some assistance / aid / help or whatever the heck you want to call it.

Everybody needs help once in a while nobody is perfect and you should not be ashemed to take welfare but you should be ashamed if you do not have good intentions... but if you have a good intentions in mind then I say give them / him / her / anyone as much help or financial aid as you possibly can regardless of their current situation, because I know they will be honest and try their best to get back up again and try try and try agian!

However!

If that persons culture is a failure Like our culture in South Africa then it is very very and extremely dangerous to have welfare here and will be destructive since I know that 95% of our country and it's people have a very bad culture and will not work hard and drain the system and abuse welfare in general, then it will only lead to chaos like it has done in SA here today... our country is a complete didsater because our culture is just plain bad and welfare does not work here.

I hope you can understand shadow, you are very clever for your age and you have a very caring heart that if you want to can take you really far someday if you try hard.

Keep well buddy

Stinky

 

[Dark Jedi]

I'm sorry, but I wholeheartedly disagree that the only way to better a program created by the government is to get rid of it. Without government programs I certainly would not be in school right now with a bachelor's under my belt and a Veterinary degree in my near future.

The examples you made where people are required to work sound great to me. That doesn't mean the program is trash... it simply needs reform. The program is there to help people in need. Clearly people are abusing it. So REFORM the program such that it cannot be so blatantly abused. It won't happen overnight. Hell, it may take dosens of years. But scrapping it alltogether is not the way to go.

you do realize I meant welfare to get rid of. Yes there are many programs that can help people and further their careers but welfare is basically a dead end trap. Where they only learn to cheat the system and to live knowing the fact they never have to work or worry about being forced to find a job. As they should be pitied and just give them everything they want. They like to be the hardship case. Because in the end they are just lazy.

 

[Bob Maxey]

you do realize I meant welfare to get rid of. Yes there are many programs that can help people and further their careers but welfare is basically a dead end trap. Where they only learn to cheat the system and to live knowing the fact they never have to work or worry about being forced to find a job. As they should be pitied and just give them everything they want. They like to be the hardship case. Because in the end they are just lazy.

So what should be done about this problem? If we dump welfare, what do we do about those that are lazy, stupid, and absolutely unemployable?

For example, someone with three kids is on welfare and has been for three or four years. Relatively healthy but dumb as a moss covered pebble. He cannot support himself or his kids. The only jobs he can get involved pushing a broom or asking if the diner would like onion rings. And perhaps he can't even get those kind of jobs.

His only choice is minimum wage work or welfare. We want to eliminate most welfare programs, so what is to be done with these folks? What is the alternative? Jail might await this kind of person, but that does not work because we still pay for him.

So do we take his kids because they are in danger? Perhaps apply the same rules we apply to those that want to adopt a kid?

He can't be hired because of a criminal record or he cannot read, so good jobs are not going to happen because he is only qualified to get food stamps and other taxpayer support.

Do we say tough crap, sport. Get by as best you can. Should have stayed in school.

Bob

 

[Tempusfugit]

Anyone ever watch Idiocracy? Its supposed to be a comedy, but that shit give me nightmares.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo

 

[Dark Jedi]

So what should be done about this problem? If we dump welfare, what do we do about those that are lazy, stupid, and absolutely unemployable?

For example, someone with three kids is on welfare and has been for three or four years. Relatively healthy but dumb as a moss covered pebble. He cannot support himself or his kids. The only jobs he can get involved pushing a broom or asking if the diner would like onion rings. And perhaps he can't even get those kind of jobs.

His only choice is minimum wage work or welfare. We want to eliminate most welfare programs, so what is to be done with these folks? What is the alternative? Jail might await this kind of person, but that does not work because we still pay for him.

So do we take his kids because they are in danger? Perhaps apply the same rules we apply to those that want to adopt a kid?

He can't be hired because of a criminal record or he cannot read, so good jobs are not going to happen because he is only qualified to get food stamps and other taxpayer support.

Do we say tough crap, sport. Get by as best you can. Should have stayed in school.

Bob

I for one am tired of working my ass off so joe blow can sit at home drinking beer while watching his sports on his 56in plasma tv and not have to worry about punching a clock while I scrape to have nice things. So yeah boo hoo on him for being a deadbeat. I had a grandfather that worked 3 jobs and was a sharecropper while my mom was a kid. He never took a handout in his life. But oh no how dare I suggest making a lazy deadbeat take even one degrading job. Let alone 3. You do what you can to make a living and if that means working 3 jobs then so be it.


Welfare is nothing but a crutch and needs to be stopped. Remember the old saying give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach that man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Welfare is nothing but giving that man a fish. It teaches him nothing but to be lazy and unproductive. If they want more money they just pop out another kid.

The whole point of welfare is to help people get back on their feet. How many actually uses it for that and how many uses it as a means to never work again but still get a payday? Its the ultimate job as you do absolutely nothing but they pay you.


So sorry if it rubs me a lil raw knowing I work and pay taxes so others in this country sits around and collect a check of mine and others hard earned money.

Bob it really doesn't bother you that this goes on?

Jail might await this kind of person, but that does not work because we still pay for him.

Hate to tell you most that are on welfare already have run ins with the law. Also has spent jail or prison time.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I for one am tired of working my ass off so joe blow can sit at home drinking beer while watching his sports on his 56in plasma tv and not have to worry about punching a clock while I scrape to have nice things. So yeah boo hoo on him for being a deadbeat. I had a grandfather that worked 3 jobs and was a sharecropper while my mom was a kid. He never took a handout in his life. But oh no how dare I suggest making a lazy deadbeat take even one degrading job. Let alone 3. You do what you can to make a living and if that means working 3 jobs then so be it.


Welfare is nothing but a crutch and needs to be stopped. Remember the old saying give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach that man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Welfare is nothing but giving that man a fish. It teaches him nothing but to be lazy and unproductive. If they want more money they just pop out another kid.

The whole point of welfare is to help people get back on their feet. How many actually uses it for that and how many uses it as a means to never work again but still get a payday? Its the ultimate job as you do absolutely nothing but they pay you.


So sorry if it rubs me a lil raw knowing I work and pay taxes so others in this country sits around and collect a check of mine and others hard earned money.

Bob it really doesn't bother you that this goes on?


Hate to tell you most that are on welfare already have run ins with the law. Also has spent jail or prison time.

Hell YES it bothers me. My point is what do we do to address the problem?

Take away welfare and then what? It is "easy" to eliminate or restrict welfare, but we must consider the end results. So, your benefits are gone, you have three kids, you can't pay for food or the rent. What is next? Grab a gun and rob someone most likely. Or a B and E.

So again, I hate welfare because I do not like paying for the lazy people out there that would rather cash a benefits check than a paycheck. Many or perhaps most cannot earn a decent paycheck. I would rather be able to purchase another vintage bike than support some loser and his or her three starving kids.

Bob

 

[Dark Jedi]

Hell YES it bothers me. My point is what do we do to address the problem?

Take away welfare and then what? It is "easy" to eliminate or restrict welfare, but we must consider the end results. So, your benefits are gone, you have three kids, you can't pay for food or the rent. What is next? Grab a gun and rob someone most likely. Or a B and E.

So again, I hate welfare because I do not like paying for the lazy people out there that would rather cash a benefits check than a paycheck. Many or perhaps most cannot earn a decent paycheck. I would rather be able to purchase another vintage bike than support some loser and his or her three starving kids.

Bob

Again many thats on welfare already does those things of robbing or B and E. So keeping welfare isnt going to keep them out of crime. My cousin sees this stuff every night as he is a cop. So you already have the crime with welfare. Taking it away isnt going to make it any worse.

 

[Gmash]

Wow.
I'm not against welfare if it is used as it is meant to be-as a safety net. It is not meant to be a way of life. I don't believe that all (or even most) people on welfare are deadbeats who refuse to work, but yes, there should be a time limit. Making people work for their checks is a good incentive to get people off of welfare, because even a minimum wage job pays more than a welfare check does. The generalizing and stereotyping on this thread are kind of disturbing. Oh, and Idiocracy is a good movie, but maybe a little too true.

 

[cipher6]

Being poor is like being addicted to crack or heroin. Anyone can dig themselves out of that position in life, and there are many things out there to help them. But the individual has to want to do it first, they have to want to put in the work to better themselves and dig themselves out of financial holes, like the junky has to want to get better and willing to work to get better.

There are programs out there to help both, and many are great programs, that have saved and help many lives, but thats all they do, help. If a poor person isn't willing to put in the work, they will stay there living off the system. There is no assistance program that gives people the desire to work for what they have.

I think this is what stinky is getting at talking about how welfare works different depending on the culture.

 

[lordofthereef]

you do realize I meant welfare to get rid of. Yes there are many programs that can help people and further their careers but welfare is basically a dead end trap. Where they only learn to cheat the system and to live knowing the fact they never have to work or worry about being forced to find a job. As they should be pitied and just give them everything they want. They like to be the hardship case. Because in the end they are just lazy.

Apologies. The way that sentence was written made it seem like any and all policies written by the government must innately be failures simply because they were made by the government. Still, I don;t believe it needs to be completely scrapped, but reformed. It is much easier to pass a bill to reform policies than to completely repeal them, generally speaking.

 

[lordofthereef]

Being poor is like being addicted to crack or heroin. Anyone can dig themselves out of that position in life, and there are many things out there to help them. But the individual has to want to do it first, they have to want to put in the work to better themselves and dig themselves out of financial holes, like the junky has to want to get better and willing to work to get better.

If you were born to a family that had, minimally, money to pay the rent, put food on the table, and get you through school (and yes, k-12 is government funded, but there are plenty of funds that come from parents) then I agree with you. If you were born in the rundown projects and were moving from place to place (or God forbid didn't even have a home some/all the time), you would probably be singing a different tune. Sure we hear of people looking adversity in the face and rising to success from literally nothing. Those cases are few and far between, and I wouldn't blame them on laziness, non-motivation, etc.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Apologies. The way that sentence was written made it seem like any and all policies written by the government must innately be failures simply because they were made by the government. Still, I don;t believe it needs to be completely scrapped, but reformed. It is much easier to pass a bill to reform policies than to completely repeal them, generally speaking.

OK, Lord . . . What do you think should be done and how do we take care of the inevitable fallout?

For example, if you were to say that welfare recipients should be required to clean the streets or collect stray dogs, how do you deal with the union dog catchers and street sweepers? Just to pick 2 silly examples.

Public works projects are perhaps one way to go. Although we the WPA and the value of that massive project could be argued. I would argue that if we put people to work doing jobs that are not required, we might as well keep handing out welfare because there is no benefits to society and quite likely, the cost of a WPA like program will cost us far more in the long run.

If we force welfare recipients to sing for their supper, what do we do with those that decide it is too hard to work?

Perhaps we simply say there will be six months of benefits and then it ends. If you do not have a job, you better have friends because in six months, you no longer have food or other benefits.

It is all well and good to scream we need reform, so lets hear you yell. What should we do? My ideas are perhaps a bit too harsh, I'll admit that.

Bob

 

[cipher6]

If you were born in the rundown projects and were moving from place to place (or God forbid didn't even have a home some/all the time), you would probably be singing a different tune. Sure we hear of people looking adversity in the face and rising to success from literally nothing. Those cases are few and far between, and I wouldn't blame them on laziness, non-motivation, etc.

I'm not talking about becoming the next Donald Trump, I'm talking about becoming self sufficient, to the point you can support yourself with checks from the government.

Heroin junkies that clean up and never use again are few and far between as well, but it doesn't mean its impossible. Its all a matter of will power, and how much work your willing to put in.

Anyone, (fulling functioning) can start in a messed up home, in the projects with a single parent living off welfare, and work hard, to grow up and be self sufficient and not need welfare... Its as simple as a day job at McDonald's and delivering pizzas on the weekend. Or starting off mopping floors in some industrial shop, show up every day, work hard, learn new things beyond floor mopping and get promotions.

ANYONE can work themselves out of poverty if they have the right work ethic. But THEY have to want it, no amount of government assistance will give someone that work ethic. Just like no amount of drug rehab will get someone to want to quit smack. They have to want to get clean, the the rehab programs just help them along the way and give them the tools they need.

 

[Bob Maxey]

ANYONE can work themselves out of poverty if they have the right work ethic. But THEY have to want it, no amount of government assistance will give someone that work ethic. Just like no amount of drug rehab will get someone to want to quit smack. They have to want to get clean, the the rehab programs just help them along the way and give them the tools they need.

My history:

1- Started breaking out PC Boards on a production line at Megahertz and other menial chores.

2- Moved to the solder pot station fixing poorly seated through hole potentiometers and other menial chores.

3- Showed up to work on time, every day; never shied away from working OT without pay when my work was incomplete or there were PCBs still in need of repair. Not hours of free OT, but ten to twenty minutes every now and then. My day did not end at 5:00, it ended when my work was done. Some people would leave incomplete work when the clock struck 5:00.

4- Learned every production line job; learned how to program in Access and became the line supervisor's right hand/go to man. Volunteered to do the daily updates and fix problems with Access. Never bitched because I had a job to do.

5- Got noticed by upper management.

6- Did crap jobs with enthusiasm and glee. Like cleaning dross in the through hole component soldering lines.

7- Learned everyone's name, learned to do every job better than the next man and I was eventually noticed by the manager of our training department and hired at a wage that was at the time, amazing. Got me a cubicle, but still worked the lines.

ALL WITHOUT A COLLEGE EDUCATION. I did jobs and was paid well to do jobs I would never be hired to do because I did not have the requisite degree.

I can walk into any electronics production facility and immediately do ANY job required. From running the surface mount line to final QA inspections. I learned because I was excited to learn.

I say all this because I am just one of tens of thousands of people who end up with amazing jobs that they are not specifically qualified to do. The lack of a degree in writing prevents me from doing the job I now have. I'll do their work well, but the lack of a degree prevents me from being hired by the companies I work for to do the work they hired me to do. Rather odd, right?

So yes, you are correct. You can succeed, but you must be willing to start trying. At one time, we had an amazing Can Do spirit in this country. Remember, this country was built by under educated people; that is, no college degrees, just dedication and hard work. They took joy and great pride in doing their jobs.

Hell, there are no shortage of stories about immigrants that come here with nothing and build fortunes. Why can't we do this today? We do, but it is not often reported.

Bob

 

[Dark Jedi]

My history:

1- Started breaking out PC Boards on a production line at Megahertz and other menial chores.

2- Moved to the solder pot station fixing poorly seated through hole potentiometers and other menial chores.

3- Showed up to work on time, every day; never shied away from working OT without pay when my work was incomplete or there were PCBs still in need of repair. Not hours of free OT, but ten to twenty minutes every now and then. My day did not end at 5:00, it ended when my work was done. Some people would leave incomplete work when the clock struck 5:00.

4- Learned every production line job; learned how to program in Access and became the line supervisor's right hand/go to man. Volunteered to do the daily updates and fix problems with Access. Never bitched because I had a job to do.

5- Got noticed by upper management.

6- Did crap jobs with enthusiasm and glee. Like cleaning dross in the through hole component soldering lines.

7- Learned everyone's name, learned to do every job better than the next man and I was eventually noticed by the manager of our training department and hired at a wage that was at the time, amazing. Got me a cubicle, but still worked the lines.

ALL WITHOUT A COLLEGE EDUCATION. I did jobs and was paid well to do jobs I would never be hired to do because I did not have the requisite degree.

I can walk into any electronics production facility and immediately do ANY job required. From running the surface mount line to final QA inspections. I learned because I was excited to learn.

I say all this because I am just one of tens of thousands of people who end up with amazing jobs that they are not specifically qualified to do. The lack of a degree in writing prevents me from doing the job I now have. I'll do their work well, but the lack of a degree prevents me from being hired by the companies I work for to do the work they hired me to do. Rather odd, right?

So yes, you are correct. You can succeed, but you must be willing to start trying. At one time, we had an amazing Can Do spirit in this country. Remember, this country was built by under educated people; that is, no college degrees, just dedication and hard work. They took joy and great pride in doing their jobs.


Bob

Thats what we called a brown nose .

Na seriously wish more people had work ethics like you. Like where I work at everytime they ask me to work OT or to help out in another section I just say yes sir and go on my way. I have never refused OT and when I mess up I dont make excuses. I listen to what my supervisor has to say and I Make sure I don't foul up again . People need to remember that if you do a poor job then they will ship your job to Jose or Abu and they will be more than happy to do your job in their country for pennies on the dollar of what they pay you. Sad to say many dont see that.

Hell, there are no shortage of stories about immigrants that come here with nothing and build fortunes. Why can't we do this today? We do, but it is not often reported.

Because many immigrants gets tax free small buisness loans. They get them easier than what US citizen can. Plus they dont have to pay taxes for so many years. Plus they will have all their family living in one house. Mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters, their spouses and their childern. They pool their money together. Thats why they can amass a good living. WHere as the american citizen is all about me. If I give you some that means there will be less for me.

I know we have a 7-11 and is owned by people from india. The guy wife and him are at that store sunrise to sunset. even if they have a worker there you still see them there. They will run the register and stock items. How many owners of a business will do this? IT all comes down to work ethics. Either you have them or you dont. Many on welfare dont have them.

 

[lordofthereef]

OK, Lord . . . What do you think should be done and how do we take care of the inevitable fallout?

For example, if you were to say that welfare recipients should be required to clean the streets or collect stray dogs, how do you deal with the union dog catchers and street sweepers? Just to pick 2 silly examples.

Public works projects are perhaps one way to go. Although we the WPA and the value of that massive project could be argued. I would argue that if we put people to work doing jobs that are not required, we might as well keep handing out welfare because there is no benefits to society and quite likely, the cost of a WPA like program will cost us far more in the long run.

If we force welfare recipients to sing for their supper, what do we do with those that decide it is too hard to work?

Perhaps we simply say there will be six months of benefits and then it ends. If you do not have a job, you better have friends because in six months, you no longer have food or other benefits.

It is all well and good to scream we need reform, so lets hear you yell. What should we do? My ideas are perhaps a bit too harsh, I'll admit that.

Bob

I actually don't find your idea to be too harsh, honestly. Let's take the "silly" street cleaning examples. Obviously this would be more fitting in some cities than others. I come from a city near Los Angeles (Moorpark), and it is almost spotless. Go into LA and you have plenty of rubbish cleanup available without putting anyone out of a job (and if people are being put out of a job there as a result of this, they weren't really doing the best job to begin with).

I also like the "six month rule", or at least something similar. They should not be supported for the rest of their lives, IMO. This actually gives incentive to NOT work, as has been stated a dozen times over in this thread.

How about change how food stamps work? One should NOT be able to buy New York strip steaks and lobster on food stamps... EVER. AFAIK food stamps work like cash, with restrictions on tobacco, alcohol, and little else. That is a load of BS. They should only be viable as payment for generic brand foods, lower end cuts of meat, etc. (maybe meats is a little harsh... but I think you know where I am going with this).

This next one will be controversial, but maybe a limit on a person's reproductive rights if they want to continue to collect. One should not be able to crank out a small army of children so as to keep gaining money from the government. These are fairly simple surgical procedures to be completely honest. (Yes, this is the absolute extreme, and will probably never happen, but hey, I see it as a better answer than the current system!)

 

[lordofthereef]

I'm not talking about becoming the next Donald Trump, I'm talking about becoming self sufficient, to the point you can support yourself with checks from the government.

Heroin junkies that clean up and never use again are few and far between as well, but it doesn't mean its impossible. Its all a matter of will power, and how much work your willing to put in.

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All I was trying to say here is it's easy to say "someone else has done it therefor it can be done" when you are not the one dealing with adversity. I don't come from a wealthy family, by any means, but things were provided for me and I was supported by my family to take what I find to be a successful path in life. I can't even imagine what I would do with myself if I had much fewer opportunities (and according to my mother we were days away from being evicted with no gas in the car when I was very young - my mother knew nothing of said programs as she emigrated from Hungary and hardly spoke English - another story). I shudder to think what my life would be like TODAY had that happened.

 

[Dark Jedi]

I actually don't find your idea to be too harsh, honestly. Let's take the "silly" street cleaning examples. Obviously this would be more fitting in some cities than others. I come from a city near Los Angeles (Moorpark), and it is almost spotless. Go into LA and you have plenty of rubbish cleanup available without putting anyone out of a job (and if people are being put out of a job there as a result of this, they weren't really doing the best job to begin with).

I also like the "six month rule", or at least something similar. They should not be supported for the rest of their lives, IMO. This actually gives incentive to NOT work, as has been stated a dozen times over in this thread.

How about change how food stamps work? One should NOT be able to buy New York strip steaks and lobster on food stamps... EVER. AFAIK food stamps work like cash, with restrictions on tobacco, alcohol, and little else. That is a load of BS. They should only be viable as payment for generic brand foods, lower end cuts of meat, etc. (maybe meats is a little harsh... but I think you know where I am going with this).

This next one will be controversial, but maybe a limit on a person's reproductive rights if they want to continue to collect. One should not be able to crank out a small army of children so as to keep gaining money from the government. These are fairly simple surgical procedures to be completely honest. (Yes, this is the absolute extreme, and will probably never happen, but hey, I see it as a better answer than the current system!)

WHy give them 6 months. If you refuse to work at your job. DO they give you 6 months of pay and benefits? Heck no they tell you need to find employment elsewhere and on your way out. Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. So why are you willing to give these welfare special treatment. Treat them like any worker. Dont do your job? You no longer get a paycheck. You do realize that you give them 6mo they wont look for a job. They will still sit on their butts and do the same thing as they did before. NOTHING!!!!

SO give them a wake up call and cut it off as soon as they say no. If you want them to work like workers. You need to treat them the same as any other worker.

 

[Bob Maxey]

All I was trying to say here is it's easy to say "someone else has done it therefor it can be done" when you are not the one dealing with adversity.

But you just said it yourself. It can be done because there are shining examples of it being done. Nobody says it is easy, just possible. The difference is in the character of the person.

This is the great thing about America. You can arrive with nothing and work hard and become great. Or you can be like so many welfare recipients that think they are owed a check. Lazy until the day they die; living in a family that has always been generational welfare recipients.

It bloody has to stop.

Bob

 

[lordofthereef]

But you just said it yourself. It can be done because there are shining examples of it being done. Nobody says it is easy, just possible. The difference is in the character of the person.

The thing is, neither you, nor I, know the specific circumstances behind a person's situation and where they are in life. I don't think that everyone that reaches out for help is simply lazy or not trying hard enough. If you do, well, I guess I have nothing else to say on the matter.

 

[lordofthereef]

WHy give them 6 months.

Because maybe they need it? We aren't talking about people refusing to work (at least I am not). We are talking about people that cannot find work and legitimately need such a program. You completely overlooked my suggestion to actually give these people temporary work as well.

As I said, people here are grossly generalizing the people that utilize these programs. I have seen people that will sit on their butts and I have seen those that just need the extra help to get back on their feet. I guess because of a few bad seeds we should screw over the people that are legitimately trying?

 

[lordofthereef]

US Welfare System - Help for US Citizens
Here is a decent simplistic "history of wellfare in the US" link.

Here is a pretty darn good except from it:

The history of welfare in the U.S. started long before the government welfare programs we know were created. In the early days of the United States, the colonies imported the British Poor Laws. These laws made a distinction between those who were unable to work due to their age or physical health and those who were able-bodied but unemployed. The former group was assisted with cash or alternative forms of help from the government. The latter group was given public service employment in workhouses.

And yet we strayed from this...

 

[Dark Jedi]

The thing is, neither you, nor I, know the specific circumstances behind a person's situation and where they are in life. I don't think that everyone that reaches out for help is simply lazy or not trying hard enough. If you do, well, I guess I have nothing else to say on the matter.

SOrry I lived in South Carolina. I have seen your welfare recipients first hand say they are owed this money and why should they work. Then I lived in Louisiana and guess what same mindset. Never once heard a person say I wish I could get off this government assistance and become a productive member of society. All I hear is cant wait till my food stamps come so I can sell them and get me some beer or Mickey D's and so on. Those people have no shame. They are actually proud and will flaunt it that they never have to work.

You need to get out of your fantasy and look at the real world. THese people dont want your help. They dont want you to find them a good paying job. All they want is to be left alone and collect their check.

A radio personality in florida did and experiment. Him and a co worker of his took a homeless person and set him up in an apartment which they paid for and got him a good job in construction and gave him spending money and bought him clothes. Until he could get up on his feet. He worked the job for 6mo and after that the guy disappeared. THey found him living on the street again homeless and when asked why he went back to the street. He said it was to hard to work a real job., Where he could do just as good begging on the streets to get what he needs.

SO see you may think people are not happy living they way they do. Guess what they are really happy to get free money and not do a damn thing to get it.

 

[lordofthereef]

SOrry I lived in South Carolina. I have seen your welfare recipients first hand say they are owed this money and why should they work. Then I lived in Louisiana and guess what same mindset. Never once heard a person say I wish I could get off this government assistance and become a productive member of society. All I hear is cant wait till my food stamps come so I can sell them and get me some beer or Mickey D's and so on. Those people have no shame. They are actually proud and will flaunt it that they never have to work.

You need to get out of your fantasy and look at the real world. THese people dont want your help. They dont want you to find them a good paying job. All they want is to be left alone and collect their check.

A radio personality in florida did and experiment. Him and a co worker of his took a homeless person and set him up in an apartment which they paid for and got him a good job in construction and gave him spending money and bought him clothes. Until he could get up on his feet. He worked the job for 6mo and after that the guy disappeared. THey found him living on the street again homeless and when asked why he went back to the street. He said it was to hard to work a real job., Where he could do just as good begging on the streets to get what he needs.

SO see you may think people are not happy living they way they do. Guess what they are really happy to get free money and not do a damn thing to get it.

Still, you are generalizing. Are you literally saying that every single person who has collected a wellfare check did so because they were lazy and unwilling to work? Out of curiosity, how many people on wellfare did you pole in SC and LA to come up with your conclusions that all wellfare (and apparently homeless) people are lazy goodfornothings that want everything handed to them?

 

[Dark Jedi]

Still, you are generalizing. Are you literally saying that every single person who has collected a wellfare check did so because they were lazy and unwilling to work? Out of curiosity, how many people on wellfare did you pole in SC and LA to come up with your conclusions?

I am saying most and not all. My conclusion is called life. I watched, I listened to these people. A poll is about as accurate as telling the Horsepower and Torque of a car from the Butt dyno method. Not to reliable now is it.