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What features do you want on the Evo 2?

Johnsten said:
So I'm reiterating something I stated like at late 7ish this morning. Top parts in response to dkortic(sp?) with the rest being the good stuff.

This mostly answers to anyone shouting out -lier- towards BlueMoon.

Now I have to admit from what I've seen there's dlna and usb but Micro hdmi port is out and there's a missing kickstand plus 1.3 front camera, not 3. Even if Sprint's heavily modified phones befpre after they get the base prototype from HTC this seems extreme. I'm hoping BlueMoon can clarify. Keep in mind I haven't really read this forum yet but its just a post thats anticipating community backlash.
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Your beer of choice I'm guessing...

bendispo said:
In terms of the camera, you're not going to get double the pixels from stitching together 2 shots taken stereoscopically. There's not way to correct for parallax to yield more detail. Even if one were to combine two identical shots taken from the same absolute position, which the EVO 3D can't do, the combined photo would still not yield any more detail than one photo (though you could get improvements in dynamic range and low-light noise).

And check out his signature from one of the posts:

"VP of one company/Chairman of another company/Fellow of IEEE/Phd. Mathematics /Phd. Computer Science /Phd. Plasma Physics /US Naval Pilot (5 Tours in Afghanistan and Iraq)"

I'm in a Ph.D. program at the moment, and I have no idea how a single person would have the time to complete three separate doctoral programs in decently divergent fields... as well as serve 5 tours as a naval pilot. Do you know how many years of intense work a typical doctoral program requires? How grueling military pilot training is? ... and then somehow to rise in ranks to become a VP of a company... all while fighting in two wars over the last decade?
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There are many things coming out in the camera world that are pretty amazing, so just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it can't be. There are numerous software products available that do correct for parallax as well as many other camera and/or lens aberrations. Also, improvements in dynamic range and noise reduction would directly result in more image detail. Having two cameras makes this a perfect candidate for HDR imaging.

Lastly, I have known people who got their first Phd by 25, and subsequent degrees are the doctorate program only. There are a lot of multiple Phd's out there.

In fact, I sometimes do six impossible things before breakfast!;)
 
SamuraiBigEd said:
Lastly, I have known people who got their first Phd by 25, and subsequent degrees are the doctorate program only. There are a lot of multiple Phd's out there.
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How many of those people also served 5 tours of duty, work as VP of one company, and are chairman of another company?

LOL, the dude was full of it man. Reading all the excuses for why he could have possibly been so wrong without being full of it, is hillarious. Hasn't anyone here ever heard of Occam's Razor? Blue Screen was a troll.

You don't go into the announcement (supposedly he was going to be one of the guys on stage- giving a shout out to this forum) and have no clue about the device specs the night before the announcement. A smart guy with 5 phd's or whatever would NEVER go into a major public announcement like that without having a clue about the product he was supposed to be announcing.

Blue Screen was full of it. And the fact that so many people on this forum continue to buy into his nonsense after it was proven to be a bunch of bull, is kind of embarrassing.
 
BlackDynamite said:
How many of those people also served 5 tours of duty, work as VP of one company, and are chairman of another company?

LOL, the dude was full of it man. Reading all the excuses for why he could have possible been so wrong is hillarious. Hasn't anyone here ever heard of Occam's Razor? Blue Screen was a troll.

You don't go into the announcement (supposedly he was going to be one of the guys on stage- giving a shout out to this forum) and have no clue about the device specs the night before the announcement. A smart guy with 5 phd's or whatever would NEVER go into a major public announcement like that without having a clue about the product he was supposed to be announcing.

Blue Screen was full of it. And the fact that so many people on this forum continue to buy into his nonsense after it was proven to be a bunch of bull, is kind of embarrassing.
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I was merely commenting on Bendispo's lack of belief that it was possible, hence my final statement.:D
 
thaprinze said:
I posted this on another forum, so whoever's seeing both, I apologize.

The USB/HDMI port on the Evo 3D is an issue for me, because we can no longer simultaneously charge the phone & output to HDMI. This also then brings up the question, how long could we stream/output on a single charge?

The Evo was nearly perfect as is! All they needed to do was stuff in a dual-core processor, qHD screen & add NFC. That's all! If they wanted to go above & beyond, they could have improved the camera sensor, added additional mics for noise canceling & moved the speakers to the front of the phone (a la HD7).
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The EVO 3D actually uses MHL (Mobile High-definition Link - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) so if you have an MHL HDMI port on your TV, it will charge and display at the same time. I've heard that it uses a dongle as well so it can charge and output the same way the Touch Pro 2 did.

You can hear the spokesperson say it's MHL here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF8azvr03z4&feature=player_detailpage#t=134s
 
dan330 said:
look at the bottom of e3d....
i see the little hole for the mic.. round pin hole.

but there is a bigger rectangle slot....what could that be?

i had a htc diamond .. and it had a side slot.. that around bigger sound to come out of it....

or it is just a clip for hostlers and such...
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I don't know what that is, but it is definitely not a SIM slot. SIM cards are bigger than that.
 
Well the other night I said I wasn't gonna get my hopes up based on what bluescreen was saying and I am glad I didn't. Lets face it, the majority of the things he said were simply just to good to be true. In any case the evo 3d is ok but my question is other that the dual core and 3d(which I really don't care about) is there anything the EVO 3D can actually do that my EVO 4g can't? Someone please answer this for me?
 
Johnsten said:
And now to Drex, the one who I quoted. I'm not confirming it or anything, was just guessing based off these listings. Their on the HTC page for the E3D. Although it seems they've changed or moved around a few tidbits. The hint rings loudly under Internet where GPRS and Edge are mentioned. There's a 5 mark that lead to the disclaimer below that talked about coverage in Europe and Asia but that's been fully removed. The other tipoff is under Power&Battery listing WCDMA

Take a look: HTC - Products - HTC EVO 3D ? Specification
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Thanks for the link! For some reason, when I went to the HTC site earlier, I couldn't find the info page on the EVO 3D.
 
jyan_osu said:
The EVO 3D actually uses MHL (Mobile High-definition Link - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) so if you have an MHL HDMI port on your TV, it will charge and display at the same time. I've heard that it uses a dongle as well so it can charge and output the same way the Touch Pro 2 did.
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That MHL makes me feel better about it. Unfortunately, I have never heard of MHL so I am pretty sure none of my audio/video equipment supports it. And it also means I would need to buy dongles/cables in order to use the HDMI output of the Evo 3D.
 
grimloch said:
Has any of the coverage made mention of simultaneous voice/data over 3G? That'd be one redeeming quality that some people (like me) would appreciate.

If the Thunderbolt can do it, the Evo 3D should be able to as well.
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Does the thunderbolt actually do it over 3G or is it 4G only?
 
"What features do you want on the EVO 2?"

Honestly I just want 3 things:

(1) Kickstand. HTC/Sprint missed the mark by excluding the kickstand. To me the kickstand IS a spec, as it adds tremendous functionality. I don't even need to rehash why the kickstand matters. We all know. I guess I figured that the kickstand would be a given. I shouldn't have to buy an accessory to get the same functionality I get with my EVO. I'm really disappointed with the lack of kickstand. It's irrational, I know (especially considering all of the other specs offered by the EVO 3D). But I'm bummed nonetheless.

(2) A flush or recessed rear camera. To me, the biggest design flaw of the EVO 4G is the protruding rear camera that practically invites scratches. This design flaw, however, is somewhat mitigated by the kickstand because you can prop the phone up rather than rest it on its back. Now? Not only does the camera still protrude from the back, but it has an even larger surface area! If you think people complained too much about scratched and cracked lenses on the EVO 4G, just wait til the EVO 3D drops. From a day-to-day use standpoint, the EVO 3D's rear camera just seems impractical.

(3) A microUSB port at the bottom of the device. This is related to point (1). Even if Sprint releases a kickstand accessory, and even if I buy it, how will I charge the phone while watching all that sweet 3D media? My suspicion is that Sprint is planning to release a landscape dock that will allow you to charge the EVO 3D. As it is now, I can buy and use a kickstand accessory (case or cover) but be unable to charge the device; or I can buy and use a landscape dock to charge the device while consuming media.

Overall, I can't say that the EVO 3D is a "day one" purchase. At least not as of 3/22/11. Of course Sprint and HTC may devise some solutions for my issues, so I will reserve judgement until I get more information. On an unrelated note, I don't like the looks of the EVO 3D compared to the EVO 4G. I'm sure the design will grow on me. That said, the specs are amazing no doubt about that:)
 
BlackDynamite said:
That MHL makes me feel better about it. Unfortunately, I have never heard of MHL so I am pretty sure none of my audio/video equipment supports it. And it also means I would need to buy dongles/cables in order to use the HDMI output of the Evo 3D.
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Well yes, you would need a cable, just like you needed one for your EVO as it doesn't come with one. I see no real difference there. I also don't see the setback in having to buy a "splitter" to charge simultaneously. It's not like the current EVO charges of the HDMI, so you would need to have two cable plugged in anyway. It seems to me your gripe is that it usees a newer technology than what you have. This may be the case, but how does that make this bad? At some point, newer tech and specs need to be adopted. I also don't have anything with MHL, but that isn't going to make these features any less usable. It's almost like arguing that HDMI is a nussance because it is not the same as component...

I'm far more annoyed with not hearing of native netflix and skype video chat functions. Netflic I do have hope for (although I am not sure since they are using this blockbuster bs), but skype is hairy. It has already (at least tentatively) been pulled from the Thunderbolt and is even being removed from all the advertising.
 
Essex said:
(3) A microUSB port at the bottom of the device. This is related to point (1). Even if Sprint releases a kickstand accessory, and even if I buy it, how will I charge the phone while watching all that sweet 3D media? My suspicion is that Sprint is planning to release a landscape dock that will allow you to charge the EVO 3D. As it is now, I can buy and use a kickstand accessory (case or cover) but be unable to charge the device; or I can buy and use a landscape dock to charge the device while consuming media.
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Make the kickstand the other way so that the port is on top instead of on bottom. The screen can already adjust itself as necessary. I do suspect you are right about the dock, but I, for one, am excited for a dock like this. Would love one for the car as well as for the desk. I use my phone as my alarm clock and have dreamed of having someone like the D1 and D2 docks.
 
BlackDynamite said:
I don't know what that is, but it is definitely not a SIM slot. SIM cards are bigger than that.
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oh.. sorry.. was not trying to answer the sim card question.

i was using that link of the pic.. to pose another question.
about sound .. this being a 3D phone.. it should have better sound..

themuffinman75 said:
Well the other night I said I wasn't gonna get my hopes up based on what bluescreen was saying and I am glad I didn't. Lets face it, the majority of the things he said were simply just to good to be true. In any case the evo 3d is ok but my question is other that the dual core and 3d(which I really don't care about) is there anything the EVO 3D can actually do that my EVO 4g can't? Someone please answer this for me?
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the smaller cpu and bigger battery...
this phone should out last the OG evo in battery life... if you do the same on both.
 
lordofthereef said:
Well yes, you would need a cable, just like you needed one for your EVO as it doesn't come with one. I see no real difference there. I also don't see the setback in having to buy a "splitter" to charge simultaneously. It's not like the current EVO charges of the HDMI, so you would need to have two cable plugged in anyway. It seems to me your gripe is that it usees a newer technology than what you have. This may be the case, but how does that make this bad? At some point, newer tech and specs need to be adopted. I also don't have anything with MHL, but that isn't going to make these features any less usable. It's almost like arguing that HDMI is a nussance because it is not the same as component...

I'm far more annoyed with not hearing of native netflix and skype video chat functions. Netflic I do have hope for (although I am not sure since they are using this blockbuster bs), but skype is hairy. It has already (at least tentatively) been pulled from the Thunderbolt and is even being removed from all the advertising.
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Yes, I had to buy an HDMI cable for my Evo. I should not have to buy another one when HDMI is the standard that all current audio/video equipment uses. It's not like my home theater is obsolete or anything. Heck, I just bought my new 7.1 receiver with several HDMI ports a few months ago. So my stuff is current. It's this phone that is using something that doesn't work on anything else.

And I don't want to have to carry a splitter with me. Micro USB is the standard charging interface, and everyone I know has one. I have several myself. So now if I go to any of my friends' houses and show some videos, they will have a charger for me. All I need is an HDMI cable. That won't be the case with the Evo 3D.

If they don't even make anything with MHL yet, then this phone shouldn't have replaced the also pretty new micro HDMI with an MHL port. MHL may very well be the standard someday. But right now I am pretty sure there isn't a piece of gear in existence that supports it. According to the wiki, MHL was only introduced in June of 2010. If the standard was only introduced less than a year ago, it will be at least another year (or longer) before we start seeing tv's and receivers that support it. By then we will have new phones, and probably won't have new tv's/receivers anyway.
 
lordofthereef said:
Make the kickstand the other way so that the port is on top instead of on bottom. The screen can already adjust itself as necessary. I do suspect you are right about the dock, but I, for one, am excited for a dock like this. Would love one for the car as well as for the desk. I use my phone as my alarm clock and have dreamed of having someone like the D1 and D2 docks.
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the only issue about the kick stand the other way is all the buttons that can accidently get pressed on the other side (exp the cam button b/c of the way it looks like it sticks out)
 
Going with that I suspect this phone wasn't built in mind for current Evo owners as most of them will upgrade next year. This concides with the fact that Sprint changed up its Premier to only let you do an upgrade every 1 year for 10+ yr. Customers. Can't blame them in following the other carriers. Subsidizing is a huge cost but usually they make it back along with a profit over the contract.

I'd be proved wrong if Sprint gives an offer to last years Evo buyers or expanded to all smartphone/sprint customers.

Evo 3D really does seem like more of a bite to get new customers or get non4G and non-smartphone Sprint customers locked on and less of an "Evo 2."

Of coarse it could be that usual slow spec and design bump year recalling 2008 and 2009. Only this isn't the complete lie samsung's Instinct was and didn't fail on the hardware front as the now-defunct Palm(Now of HP) did on the Palm Pre.

Most people will want to hold onto their Evo 4Gs. Its more worth it because as usual 2012s offerings will probably take the real cake.

I wish Sprint was more aggresive in getting top-notch phones though. Eventhe Evo was ultimately a Android/Wimax/CDMA HTC HD 2. Step your game up Sprint.

The Evo 3D however does seem like a solid offering though and one I'd choose over the Sammy Nexus 4G. Your mileage may vary. I'm going to keep an eye on what HP can accomplish with WebOS and MS with its WP7 and fresh Metro UI. Still this along with android both take top spots in the industry and cell phone world. If you didn't buy Evo or have a wad of cash burning a hole in your pocket keep an eye out.
 
Sgt. Slaughter said:
YEah the lack of Netflix and DRM talk that went on and also the front camera and kickstand inaccuracies from BSOD earlier I'd like to hear back from him when he gets free on those.

I know everyone is gonna say he deff works for HTC and I dont doubt it but unless someone has physically met the guy and can vouch for him then there will always be questions. I understand revisions are made but not ones to this magnitude from the time he spoke about it to the showing here.
I will recant it all if his response includes that the netflix drm stuff is stuff just added and not prepared for the show however as that would be believable.
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thaprinze said:
If I remember correctly, he did the exact same thing last year with the original Evo. The most obvious things he got wrong, but all the details that nobody outside of HTC or Sprint could know he was right on.
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dylan88 said:
oh boy. looks like bluescreen is starting to turn into jackson...
just wait until he talks to us and updates us before we start saying he is wrong.
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Okay, I might be mistaken in what I am about to say and if I am , I apologize up front, but just like in Watergate when they said to follow the money, I say follow the posts.

I keep reading from some of you that BSOD said this and said that last year on the first EVO, but if one looks at the posts, there is no indication BSOD said anything of the EVO 1. That was Jackson who said the rumors and he was a hit and miss on a few things. Toward the end it was more miss and with the forum members calling him out, he left the forum. Now whether BSOD does work for Intel or HTC or who ever does the testing for the EVO, that's not my concern, but lets try to keep things in perspective here, I'm hoping its true and that the design was changed at the last minute.

As for the EVO 2 itself, I'm sorry, but for me total fail.

First the CONS...
Some say "so what, it doesn't have a kickstand" but to me it signifies the EVO and does help in keeping it standing while watching video or reading when I have my hands occupied doing something else. Not having it is a wrong move on their part. maybe the dock will help or a special back cover that doubles as a kickstand, but still.

The dual action miniusb/hdmi port is also a fail. That means having to have a special cable that charges and outputs the hdmi signal. Probably costing a hefty fee from HTC/Sprint to get it.

No lip to protect the rear cameras from scratches when lying on its back.

No NFC

No SIM card slot, (hence no world phone) (See official specs on HTC site) Unless its under the battery

SD Card still a hassle to take out.

The Pros...
Dedicated camera shutter button. (But I can live without it)

Dual 5MP rear camera (This is nice)

qHD display (more vibrant and sharper)

Dual core processor. (I can live without that)

Bottom line, if I did not have the first EVO to compare, I would jump on this in a heartbeat, but since I do, I really do not see alot to make me break my contract and go for the new one.
Maybe between now and actual release date, a few things can change, but I doubt they will knowing the history of announcement to production stage with HTC and Sprint.


TS out
 
Essex said:
"What features do you want on the EVO 2?"

Honestly I just want 3 things:

(1) Kickstand. HTC/Sprint missed the mark by excluding the kickstand. To me the kickstand IS a spec, as it adds tremendous functionality. I don't even need to rehash why the kickstand matters. We all know. I guess I figured that the kickstand would be a given. I shouldn't have to buy an accessory to get the same functionality I get with my EVO. I'm really disappointed with the lack of kickstand. It's irrational, I know (especially considering all of the other specs offered by the EVO 3D). But I'm bummed nonetheless.

(2) A flush or recessed rear camera. To me, the biggest design flaw of the EVO 4G is the protruding rear camera that practically invites scratches. This design flaw, however, is somewhat mitigated by the kickstand because you can prop the phone up rather than rest it on its back. Now? Not only does the camera still protrude from the back, but it has an even larger surface area! If you think people complained too much about scratched and cracked lenses on the EVO 4G, just wait til the EVO 3D drops. From a day-to-day use standpoint, the EVO 3D's rear camera just seems impractical.

(3) A microUSB port at the bottom of the device. This is related to point (1). Even if Sprint releases a kickstand accessory, and even if I buy it, how will I charge the phone while watching all that sweet 3D media? My suspicion is that Sprint is planning to release a landscape dock that will allow you to charge the EVO 3D. As it is now, I can buy and use a kickstand accessory (case or cover) but be unable to charge the device; or I can buy and use a landscape dock to charge the device while consuming media.

Overall, I can't say that the EVO 3D is a "day one" purchase. At least not as of 3/22/11. Of course Sprint and HTC may devise some solutions for my issues, so I will reserve judgement until I get more information. On an unrelated note, I don't like the looks of the EVO 3D compared to the EVO 4G. I'm sure the design will grow on me. That said, the specs are amazing no doubt about that:)
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I couldn't have said it better!
 
The GSM info on linked to on HTC's site was in error. This phone will not be a world phone, thus no sim. AndroidCentral confirmed this directly with HTC.

Voice & data has been confirmed as well, as long as you have access to either 4g or wifi, just like the Thunderbolt.

I am on the fence with the Evo 3d and the new Nexsus. HTC has the rom and fan base support, but a pure Google phone would be stong as well. I need some benchmarks!
 
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