What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users

[bluenova]

Mac desktops are truly a complete rip-off. They overcharge their desktops like crazy. You can build a far more powerful desktop of your own for MUCH MUCH less.

That's not really a rip-off though is it. I mean, I built my own computer and run my own Linux distribution on it because I have the knowledge to do that. My parents spent 4 times as much buying a machine with similar specs (and to be honest a similar O/S) because they don't have the knowledge so they were paying for someone else to do what they couldn't and have the ability to walk into a Mac shop and ask advice when they need it. You get what you pay for.

 

[Aiyan]

Britons vote for the iPhone as most important invention ahead of flushing loo and space travel - Telegraph

Feel free to discuss that article as well.

 

[vandyblackandgold]

my $0.02


i have discovered that there is an air of an elitist attitude around this board. there are a lot of people here that have developing and programming experience and expertise. some of those people (not all, but some) think that they know better than everyone else. they think that because they have the ability to build their own machine to every exact spec that they want or desire, that they can overclock a processor without fear of ruining said machine, that everyone else is an idiot for paying for product x (and yes this goes beyond apple, i have witnessed other threads that use the same logic towards a windows based machine).

now i dont discount that there are plenty of idiots out there that flock to apple because they are flashy and pretty and like a typical lemming, just purchase because that is what the cool kids are doing.

someone mentioned earlier though that they recognize that for someone who does not have the knowledge to build their own machine, that when going beyond the actual hardware, there is a complete user experience when purchasing a mac. i understand that some of you dont agree with this user experience, but for some people, it works.

let me share a quick story about said user experience:

my wife has an ipod touch. she downloads games a videos for my two year old daughter to enjoy. one day my daughter handed the ipod to me and said it wasnt working. it had an image on the screen that told me to connect the ipod to itunes. i tried to reboot the ipod and it would not turn back on. i went through everything i could find to try to get the ipod back on. no luck. the ipod still had its 1-yr apple warranty, so i made a genius bar appointment. i showed up for my genius bar appointment. after a few quick, basic troubleshooting steps, the apple store employee went to the back of the store and emerged with a new ipod touch. had me sign a piece of paper and i was on my way. took all of 15 minutes.


stuff like this is extremely important to some people out there. for some, piece of mind has a price. convenience has a price.

by now, youve probably realized that use apple products. i have two products that i use on a daily basis that arent apple. my droid and my dell laptop that i use for work only. currently i am typing on my macbook. you dont like the products i use? thats fine. but the "hate" that exist on this board is because some think that the decision they made is superior to the decision i made.

 

[gmaellex01]

Apple could have had me. Had the iPhone come out on Verizon before the Incredible then I probably would have gotten an iPhone and been into it. But it didn't.

The Incredible with Android is what I'd been waiting for. I love customizing my computers and having freedom. I don't want or need someone to watch over me.

It seems to to me that Apple makes toys for children. That was working for a bit with the first iPods and iPhones, but small touch screen computers like the Incredible are too powerful to be considered toys anymore. But Apple will continue with their little kid designs because that's what they do. It's ridiculous, but understandable. Most people are children with regards to computers.

Apple has problems as a notebook and desktop manufacturer as well: prices are pretentious, functionality is questionable, and aesthetic design is nice but impersonal. I plan on using the Macs at my school this summer, just to try them out, but I don't think I'll like it.


If the contest is Android vs Apple then I feel that Android has more evolved sophistication and is non-paternalistic. Apple's iPhone OS is now undeservedly popular.

 

[autolycus]

Google is preaching about choice, and members here assert that they desire a choice. Why do we feel the need to dump on the choices of others? Isn't freedom to choose the whole point? The Android philosophy is pick what's right for you, and tweak it until it's 100% your device.

Who are we to brick on somebody's face because they prefer something else? Doesn't that make us raging fanboys as well? Would you randomly troll somebody in a grocery store for buying a brand of cookies you didn't like?

And for the people talking about apple's computer business: you pay for the platform, not the hardware. I'm sure most of you would rather take a lower specced phone running android than a current iphone (or even android on an iphone). That's how it is for Apple's computer customers, they prefer OSX to windows just like you prefer android to the iphone OS. They have the exact same complaints. It's what works for them.

 

[ynwa]

You can get better products at much better prices. Thats the main thing with me. I remember my first mp3 player was a Creative Zen. There was a big thread on an apple forum and they were laughing at products like the Zen because they didnt look as cool as a iPod. There were even several posts along the line of - Yeah i know the Zen has better sound, yeah i know the Zen is much cheaper, but it just doesnt look as cool when youre carrying it around!

That sort of thing really annoys me, as does apple trying to control everything you can install on your mac, iphone etc. Then theres the iPad. What is the point of it? It is so limited you would be better of with a 5 year old laptop. But its brought out because they know people will buy it, simply because its an apple product. I know people who say they are going to get it on release in the uk, but have no idea what they are going to use it for.

 

[Vihzel]

You can get better products at much better prices. Thats the main thing with me. I remember my first mp3 player was a Creative Zen. There was a big thread on an apple forum and they were laughing at products like the Zen because they didnt look as cool as a iPod. There were even several posts along the line of - Yeah i know the Zen has better sound, yeah i know the Zen is much cheaper, but it just doesnt look as cool when youre carrying it around!

Hey me too! I used to have the Creative Zen series back when I was in high school and sometimes people would look at me funny or say that their iPod was better simply because it was an Apple product. I would tell them that the Creative Zen had much better sound, customization, and more options, but they just didn't care about any of those. For them, the average sound chip that was in their iPods back then was sufficient... I mean, they even were just using the stock earbuds (which are horrible). Anything Apple to them was God and anything Microsoft or competing-company was Satan.

That is how I feel Apple created their fanbase, ESPECIALLY with their Big Brother commercial. That commercial was effective and basically demonized Microsoft. Apple knew what they were doing, and they pushed it in that direction. They're masters of marketing and know how to suck in their audience and convince them that they should need something.

It's unfortunate that Creative did 0 commercials for their device. If they had at least 1, it would have helped spread the word about their great-sounding mp3 player.

Anyways... KUDOS to you for having a Creative Zen. My closest friends and I all got the Creative Zen Vision:M when there was the iPod Video just to shove it up their a**es. We were basically the only 3 in the entire school who had anything but an iPod.

Even in high school right now, it is so cool to have an iPhone 3GS (and I'm sure it will be even more when the iPhone 4G) comes out. If you don't have it, then you're not part of the "cool crowd". At least the people who DECIDE to get a device like the HTC Incredible or HTC EVO 4G will have known better and actually made the decision for themselves and not by influence from friends.

 

[byteware]

I've noticed a pretty substantial amount of Apple Animosity on here. Apart from posts, there are numerous avatars with Android logos taking a whizz on Apple logos, etc.

Where exactly does that all come from? I've gotta say, I've got an android phone but I've also got an iPod touch, and the GUI on the iPod is just sooo intuitive. I recognize that we've all Android folks here, but I'm not sure how you could pick up an iPhone or iPod and find it ergonomically or technically flawed in some way. Yes, Android does some things better and that's why I have one, but it seem to me that the better marketing message is, "standing on the shoulders of geniuses, but doing it better" as opposed to "Apple sucks."

Thoughts?

I wanted an iPhone. I supported Apple. Then, they did something that I could never forgive them for.....


They intentionally bricked the jailbroken phones. It's one thing to attempt to tell me what I can and cannot do with your phone. That's fine. If I want to void my warranty, then I can make that choice. However, to intentionally destroy what I've purchased from you because I did something you didn't want me to... that's so far beyond going too far, that a new phrase needs to be invented.

Any company that would do that needs to fail. The customers need to revolt against such a company and bring about it's downfall.

That is my opinion, and that is why I feel that way.

 

[tazziedevil]

I wanted an iPhone. I supported Apple. Then, they did something that I could never forgive them for.....


They intentionally bricked the jailbroken phones. It's one thing to attempt to tell me what I can and cannot do with your phone. That's fine. If I want to void my warranty, then I can make that choice. However, to intentionally destroy what I've purchased from you because I did something you didn't want me to... that's so far beyond going too far, that a new phrase needs to be invented.

Any company that would do that needs to fail. The customers need to revolt against such a company and bring about it's downfall.

That is my opinion, and that is why I feel that way.

When did Apple do that? I have a friend who is a rabid Apple fanboy and swears that Apple would never brick jailbroken iPhones because "they really WANT people to jailbreak them for R&D," etc. I'd like to show it to him and see what he says.

By the way, he plans on camping out outside the Apple store overnight so he can be one of the first ones to get an iPad when it's released in Australia. Even though he has no idea what he's going to do with it.

Sheesh.

 

[IOWA]

I have heard of bricking jb phones.


Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

 

[custangro]

I've noticed a pretty substantial amount of Apple Animosity on here. Apart from posts, there are numerous avatars with Android logos taking a whizz on Apple logos, etc.

Where exactly does that all come from? I've gotta say, I've got an android phone but I've also got an iPod touch, and the GUI on the iPod is just sooo intuitive. I recognize that we've all Android folks here, but I'm not sure how you could pick up an iPhone or iPod and find it ergonomically or technically flawed in some way. Yes, Android does some things better and that's why I have one, but it seem to me that the better marketing message is, "standing on the shoulders of geniuses, but doing it better" as opposed to "Apple sucks."

Thoughts?

I don't hate Apple...I hate Apple Fanboys that think Apple can do no wrong

Example:

I think that Apple has been innovative and have awesome products.

An Apple Fanboy CANNOT and WILLNOT admit the same thing about other products.

-C

 

[tazziedevil]

For me at least, it's not Apple products per se. I have used them, and I don't care them. Are they intuitive? Sure, but so is EVERY phone made these days. Apple just does an impressive job of convincing the masses that every other phone is hopelessly complicated and theirs is so much easier.

With an iPhone:
Want to use the internet: press the "browser" widget.
Update your facebook? press the "facebook" widget.
update your twitter? press the "twitter" widget.
make a call? press the "phone" button.
Etc, etc.

With android, blackberry, palm pre (basically any other smart phone):
Want to use the internet: press the "internet" widget.
Update your facebook? press the "facebook" widget.
update your twitter? press the "twitter" widget.
make a call? press the "phone" button.
Etc, etc.

I notice a similarity.

But what always happens with Apple products (specifically the iPhone, since i have very little experience with Macbooks or desktops) is Apple releases a product, leaves out a fairly important feature that every other phone has had for years. Apple fanboys/apologists then go on to justify why it's not that important, you don't actually need it, or it's just unnecessary. Apple then trickles in said features, and Apple fanbiys then go crazy saying how the feature is great, and how did they ever go without it?

No 3G, Cut and Paste, no MMS, no Multitasking, no WiFi.

I couldn't understand why someone would pay $1,000AUD for a phone without those features, but plenty did. They would say:

"Why do you need 3G? The software is so fast you can't tell! And it gets great reception! 3G just runs down your battery."

"You don't need cut and paste when the keyboard is so easy to use!"

"Why would you ever need to send a picture message? I can just email it. The button is right here!"

"I just don't need multitasking...."

"Who needs WiFi when it's so fast? It just runs down your battery anyway!"

But as Apple trickles them in, they change their tone. When you (an apple skeptic) point out that the feature they decided to add isn't really revolutionary at all, and they paid MORE for FEWER features, they accuse you of being an "Apple hater" and to "get with the times". After all, now our iPhone has 3G! Our now useless features are great, because they are in an iPhone! I didn't need cut and paste, but now it's on an iPhone! It must be a great feature after all!

The Apple community just has an air of misplaced superiority- they just won't/can't admit that their iPhone isn't the greatest piece of technology ever built. Even when you point out features it lacks, and how far bhind the times it really is sometimes.

That's what ruins Apple products for me.


I quite like being rational and not a slavishly beholden to one company- evaluating every few years what the best phone for me is. For awhile it was Palm, then BlackBerry, now Android. Maybe something else in a few years; who knows?

 

[IOWA]

I went palm > winmo > android. Never really like crackberry

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

 

[tazziedevil]

I went palm > winmo > android. Never really like crackberry

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

I never really liked Winmo. I liked BlackBerry a lot, but it seems to me they've sort of stagnated a bit lately. They keep releasing the same phone with minor hardware upgrades over and over again. Very few apps for Non-US/Canadian residents.

 

[IOWA]

See with winmo, I was able to do whatever I wanted with it, and to be honest, there are still things with winmo that are superior to android.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

 

[Niir]

i dislike apples pricing and marketing the most.

the idea of a simple idiot proof tech solution is good however charging nearly double that the hardware is actually worth because the people u are selling to are not tech savy...na thats just bs.

the marketing is just so stupid and only works because the people buying arnt tech savy, u cant blame apple for becoming a tech company who flogs bad tech to non techies, after all they are easier to lie to.

also the price of every apple product is crazy, the iphone isnt bad, but there are much better smart phones out there (most on android) for less money. Yet apple are held up as the gods of smart phones and that the prices they charge are some how justified, i mean a sim free 32g 3GS is about 660 quid on amazon where as a desire with 32g card comes in at around 520 quid and its better in almost every way.

The only bit of apple tech i rele like is my..possibly 3rd... gen shuffle...

 

[IOWA]

That quid word still makes me lol.

Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

 

[Niir]

Pounds =p happy noaw?!?

 

[sontaikle]

I never get the Apple hate. People don't like their computers...so don't use them? I don't get the rampant fanboyism on both sides.

I bought a MacBook. I happen to enjoy the Mac OSX computing experience. So I use it. End of story. I don't have to justify or defend my purchase.

I always wonder where these rampant fans come from that everyone seems to know. I work in IT and we have people who use different OSes on both their computers and phones. Even the folks who buy all of Apple's products are capable of having a civil discussion about different Operating Systems and haven't shunned me for not buying an iPhone. We often share tidbits and quirks about Android phones and iPhones and compare apps.

 

[tazziedevil]

I think you are in the minority of Apple users, then.

I don't get rabid fanboyism either- and from my experience, there is an OVERWHELMING amount of Rabid Apple fanboys out there. I know a guy who is going to camp out outside the Apple store when the iPad is released. Why? Because Apple makes it.

He openly admits he doesn't need one and has no real use for one.

WHen was the last time you saw a Windows user camp out (in the middle of winter, no less) for a product they had no use for?

 

[sontaikle]

I really think it's the other way around. The majority of Apple users are probably just using the computer because they want to, they're simply tired of Windows (not because of bad things...just tired of using it after years and years) or the "halo effect" of having an ipod or other apple product.

It's a vocal (annoying) minority that is "OMG APPLE."

 

[tazziedevil]

I really think it's the other way around. The majority of Apple users are probably just using the computer because they want to, they're simply tired of Windows (not because of bad things...just tired of using it after years and years) or the "halo effect" of having an ipod or other apple product.

It's a vocal (annoying) minority that is "OMG APPLE."

Well, not in my experience. Apple users want you to know they use Apple. And if you dare criticize even a "casual" iPhone/iPod user, beware. Casual users quickly turn into snarky jingoists.

But however many it really is, the very vocal ones have ruined it for a lot of people by being so rabid and anti everything else.

 

[cds0699]

Icon grids have been around since the gui was introduced back in the day 20+ years ago...

But I feel with apples current policies, anyone who supports them or buys their products supports draconian dictatorship control of products we own.


Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.

Thats a lil harsh imo

I own an ipod touch and an Android phone myself, and I must say I agree with the OP.

Blind hatred knows no logic. It's frankly sad to see so many Android users copying the very behaviour they criticise Apple users for. For some the mere mention of "Apple" appears to trigger an automatic hostile response, no matter what the context.

Good post here.

 

[toasty]

He openly admits he doesn't need one and has no real use for one.

WHen was the last time you saw a Windows user camp out (in the middle of winter, no less) for a product they had no use for?

I think we have to give credit where credit is due here, because you're 100% right, no Windows user would ever do that, and that's part of the reason that Apple just overtook MS as the tech darling in the investment world. They've managed to successfully convert their brand into a cultural phenomenon, such that having an Apple-branded product is desirable regardless of what it is -- that Apple logo appeals to geeks and non-geeks alike and is a legitimate status symbol, which is is part of the reason they can charge what they charge for their products.

That's pretty remarkable, if you asked me. Wish I'd picked up some Apple stock years ago.

 

[tazziedevil]

I think we have to give credit where credit is due here, because you're 100% right, no Windows user would ever do that, and that's part of the reason that Apple just overtook MS as the tech darling in the investment world. They've managed to successfully convert their brand into a cultural phenomenon, such that having an Apple-branded product is desirable regardless of what it is -- that Apple logo appeals to geeks and non-geeks alike and is a legitimate status symbol, which is is part of the reason they can charge what they charge for their products.

That's pretty remarkable, if you asked me. Wish I'd picked up some Apple stock years ago.

a different guy i know got a tattoo of both the Apple logo on his right forearm, and actually got a tattoo of the iPhone home screen on his L shoulder.

How many windows users would do that?

It's a phone, people.

Sheesh.