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What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users
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Snow_Fox
Android Expert
I don't think it is blind hate as to why I don't like apple..
I just get tired of everyone telling me how great apple products are...
I also don't like a number of apple's policies..
Everyone has the right to pick whatever equipment they want..
I don't think less of other people for picking apple products..
however, it is hard to not think poorly of a number of apple's decisions..Sure a lot of their decisions give them a certain prestige.. but, If your not worried about prestige it can get annoying..
I just get tired of everyone telling me how great apple products are...
I also don't like a number of apple's policies..
Everyone has the right to pick whatever equipment they want..
I don't think less of other people for picking apple products..
however, it is hard to not think poorly of a number of apple's decisions..Sure a lot of their decisions give them a certain prestige.. but, If your not worried about prestige it can get annoying..
grainysand
Android Expert
That's hilarious. He is aware that tattoos are permanent, right? Imagine what happens when he grows up and realizes you shouldn't define yourself with a brand.
tazziedevil
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Grows up? Well he's in his mid twenties, sadly enough.
Apple intentionally bricked jailbroken phones with an update in late 2007.
They even announced it beforehand.
Apple says it may “Brick” unlocked iPhones with next software update - Apple Gazette
toasty
Android Enthusiast
toasty
Android Enthusiast
That's not 100% fair, though. Yes, dollar for dollar, PCs tend to outspec Macs. Raw specs aren't the metric that users necessarily care about in the end, though, and the fact that OSX runs on hardware specifically designed to run it means that it runs leaner, faster, and typically more trouble-free. Case in point: I've got a 3 year old MacBook, and my wife has an HP laptop that is newer and outspecs it by a significant margin. When I'm not on my computer, however, she always reaches for mine because it runs so much faster.
I'm not looking to start an Apple v Windows debate here, because I'm sure we've all been down that road before and I use both and see the value in both of them anyway, but the simple fact of the matter is that a PC will not necessarily run faster than a Mac with lower specs. I think part of the premium that people pay for with macs is for that tight hardware-software integration.
HustlinDaily
Android Expert
I know you don't want to debate PC v Mac but you kind of, are.
There is no way you can tell me that a $1500 Mac is as fast as a $1500 PC.
Ease of use, I will give you that. But Windows is not hard. I personally believe that "easy to use" is a fancy way to say handcuffed or limited.
There is no way you can tell me that a $1500 Mac is as fast as a $1500 PC.
Ease of use, I will give you that. But Windows is not hard. I personally believe that "easy to use" is a fancy way to say handcuffed or limited.
toasty
Android Enthusiast
"As fast" by what metric, though? Clock speed as it appears on the box, or the amount of time it actually takes to do something? The clock speed is obviously not going to be comparable at that price point, but it doesn't necessarily follow from that that the lower clocked Mac will take longer to do tasks that matter to users.
I'll exclude gaming systems from this discussion, by the way, because they are a whole different animal, but for non-gaming operations, I don't think it's as clean cut as you might think.
Take a look at this from Popular Mechanics, for instance, comparing a $1500 Mac with an $1800 PC. The Mac actually does have a faster clock speed, but 1/3 of the RAM, so feel free to draw whatever conclusions you like about from that about how comparable the specs are:
Mac vs. PC: The Ultimate Lab Test for New Desktops & Laptops - Popularmechanics.com
Snow_Fox
Android Expert
In the interest of avoiding a Mac vs PC war... I am only going to say that I have a 3 year old HP laptop that runs very fast :/...
I am also going to say that I don't think apple creates competition as a "healthy" competitor to pc.
Competition is good for the end user..
However when your regular Pc's main competition is a totally locked down mac... People can charge whatever they want for pc..
My point is if apple had some more over all innovation..I could support them.. however, you have to ask steve jobs very nicely before you innovate anything.
3devious
Android Expert
I don't hate Apple.
I do hate the mac users, yes they are all mac users that do this to me:
- They buy Apple's overpriced, limited functionality, marketed into oblivion peice of "hardware."
- They encounter someone who actually knows something about the device they bought and what they are actually trying to accomplish with it.
- They realize that they could have saved a substantial amount of money by actually looking into their purchase a bit.
- They feel stupid about it.
- Then they feel the need to spout off a bunch of crap about how much easier/better/prettier their product is and cry out how much more "worth it" it is to them not to be bogged down like the peasants who don't choose their solution.
- They end up getting into technological debates in which they have no empirical evidence to support their claims of how much "better" it is.
- They resort to saying things like "well, I have a life and it isn't worth it to me to learn how to deal with this stuff." In some cases, that is true... for peole who will never need to use anything more complicated than a microwave.
- The emotional baggage they seem to carry for blatantly not respecting their money or the work it takes most people to buy the overpriced product they need to flaunt at everyone causes them to snipe at people for being nerds, peasants or whatnot.
I have no use for people who do that and when they come here, I sometimes take a moment to highlight their lunacy.
Rabid android/linux/windows users have their place, but I would be more likely to call the police if I saw them getting beat up in an alley. The Apple users I mentioned above... not so much. I would make a statement to the police on their behalf, though.
I bought a phone that I don't need on a carrier that I pay too much for. I don't feel a need to justify it. I bought the most functional thing I didn't need on a carrier that fit my coverage criteria (a quantifiable thing.) If I found the item I didn't need with the coverage that I do need for less money, I would switch. I won't stay with Verizon and try to make everyone in my area who moves to Sprint when they step up their game feel stupid for not wasting money like I do. I also don't try to justify a phone that I don't need or make people feel badly for not having or wanting a smartphone.
I do hate the mac users, yes they are all mac users that do this to me:
- They buy Apple's overpriced, limited functionality, marketed into oblivion peice of "hardware."
- They encounter someone who actually knows something about the device they bought and what they are actually trying to accomplish with it.
- They realize that they could have saved a substantial amount of money by actually looking into their purchase a bit.
- They feel stupid about it.
- Then they feel the need to spout off a bunch of crap about how much easier/better/prettier their product is and cry out how much more "worth it" it is to them not to be bogged down like the peasants who don't choose their solution.
- They end up getting into technological debates in which they have no empirical evidence to support their claims of how much "better" it is.
- They resort to saying things like "well, I have a life and it isn't worth it to me to learn how to deal with this stuff." In some cases, that is true... for peole who will never need to use anything more complicated than a microwave.
- The emotional baggage they seem to carry for blatantly not respecting their money or the work it takes most people to buy the overpriced product they need to flaunt at everyone causes them to snipe at people for being nerds, peasants or whatnot.
I have no use for people who do that and when they come here, I sometimes take a moment to highlight their lunacy.
Rabid android/linux/windows users have their place, but I would be more likely to call the police if I saw them getting beat up in an alley. The Apple users I mentioned above... not so much. I would make a statement to the police on their behalf, though.
I bought a phone that I don't need on a carrier that I pay too much for. I don't feel a need to justify it. I bought the most functional thing I didn't need on a carrier that fit my coverage criteria (a quantifiable thing.) If I found the item I didn't need with the coverage that I do need for less money, I would switch. I won't stay with Verizon and try to make everyone in my area who moves to Sprint when they step up their game feel stupid for not wasting money like I do. I also don't try to justify a phone that I don't need or make people feel badly for not having or wanting a smartphone.
Well, you need to look at it this way, yes, apple may close off their os and hardware into an ecosystem, but, when you use their system, it all works seamlessly, and yes for a price, dollars as well as openness, you get compaitibility, intuitive interface, speed etc etc. Most people i know that use all or mostly all mac, are not stupid, but they are not tinkerers and just care if it works and works seamlessly.
By the same token, android is open, but, its caveat is that you need to be a nerd to do the real tweaking and to know all the ins and outs, like this handset is on this OS level 1.5 like this other one but, certain features will not work, because of hardware specs, ie hero trackball color changing...is one of the first i ran into.also, not all handset makers will make surer all phones have these features, nor will they guarantee it will run well with the software, ie slow processors like the hero and other phones..rooting is not for the average person either, especially when it can brick the phone, unlike with apple, a complete os and app backup can be done very easily, it is almost impossible to brick an iphone/ipod.
carriers also get in the way by slowing down or not participating in upgrades with handset makers as well as adding their own apps and crapware to the phone as well as patching the os to not be rooted...like my carrier..
bottom line, you have to work hard at the android os to get it like you want, which is great for the nerds, geeks and tinkerers...hell i do tech support for ip phone systems as well as install and repair them, and rooting the cell south hero is not for the feint of heart, i still have not gotten it rooted..tried 8 times already, gold card will not take, among other problems...
we are still waiting for 2.1 with my carrier, maybe july they say now, instead of may/june and 2.2 is out...our carrier was telling everyone they would get us the updates as fast as Google could spit them out, weeks at most of a wait time, they sold a lot of heros by saying this, me included, of course they no longer say this and claim the reps were wrong in saying so, but it is a big problem with this company and caused a lot of ill will with android....
I understand android, I get it, it is pretty cool, in my opinion, but this hate on apple is silly really, i hate googles politics myself, but use most all their products but that is my choice.
I truely believe a lot of the youngers ones on this forum will have kids one day and they will hate android google, simply because you as their parents use/used it and they want to rebel, after all, it was fashionable to hate IBM, Ma bell, then ms, now it's apple...it is just the hate du jour is all, apple today, google tomorrow, then some one else really.
By the same token, android is open, but, its caveat is that you need to be a nerd to do the real tweaking and to know all the ins and outs, like this handset is on this OS level 1.5 like this other one but, certain features will not work, because of hardware specs, ie hero trackball color changing...is one of the first i ran into.also, not all handset makers will make surer all phones have these features, nor will they guarantee it will run well with the software, ie slow processors like the hero and other phones..rooting is not for the average person either, especially when it can brick the phone, unlike with apple, a complete os and app backup can be done very easily, it is almost impossible to brick an iphone/ipod.
carriers also get in the way by slowing down or not participating in upgrades with handset makers as well as adding their own apps and crapware to the phone as well as patching the os to not be rooted...like my carrier..
bottom line, you have to work hard at the android os to get it like you want, which is great for the nerds, geeks and tinkerers...hell i do tech support for ip phone systems as well as install and repair them, and rooting the cell south hero is not for the feint of heart, i still have not gotten it rooted..tried 8 times already, gold card will not take, among other problems...
we are still waiting for 2.1 with my carrier, maybe july they say now, instead of may/june and 2.2 is out...our carrier was telling everyone they would get us the updates as fast as Google could spit them out, weeks at most of a wait time, they sold a lot of heros by saying this, me included, of course they no longer say this and claim the reps were wrong in saying so, but it is a big problem with this company and caused a lot of ill will with android....
I understand android, I get it, it is pretty cool, in my opinion, but this hate on apple is silly really, i hate googles politics myself, but use most all their products but that is my choice.
I truely believe a lot of the youngers ones on this forum will have kids one day and they will hate android google, simply because you as their parents use/used it and they want to rebel, after all, it was fashionable to hate IBM, Ma bell, then ms, now it's apple...it is just the hate du jour is all, apple today, google tomorrow, then some one else really.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
The android is for nerds argument is invalid. If this was the case, why did android outsell iphone so far this year?
Also, being smart and tech savvy, while sharing some overlapping meanings, are not the same. So, the tech savvy simply (for the most part) do not choose mac.
- there are plenty of lawyers that are plenty smart, but don't know much about tech.
And apple products aren't seamless, either. I've known plenty of people with ipod/iphone sync issues etc. And I've seen my fair share of macs crash as well. So argument invalid. No computer system is perfect.
Upgrades? Well since we are talking about average joe here, most people don't know what donut or eclair or gingerwhat or froywho is. Hence, they don't care. And when they do get it, its just added bonus. Make no mistake, the people on this forum and others like it are in the vast minority, but are the loudest voices. Argument invalid.
Compatibility on a mac? You've got to be kidding me. Seriosuly. Apple products only play nice with apple products. If you bought nothing but microsoft gear, it would be just as "seamless". Point is, we have the option to choose what fits us, with apple, you don't. Argument invalid.
And you can't tell me the droid lineup, evo4g, incredible, desire, all these current handsets don't work very easy out of the box. Anyone with an IQ above their shoe size can pick one up and use it just fine. My mother had a g1, and she had no problems with it at all, and used quite a few of the features on it. My brother is tech-challeneged, he grabbed the cliqxt and loves it. Granted I had to show him how to get gamboid roms, but that's unrelated to the phone itself. He emails, texts, surfs the web, and finds tons of apps on market very easily. Keep in mind my brother is someone who didn't know you had a choice of desktop browsers, either, so that's saying a lot. So, argument, invalid.
Impossible to brick an iphone? Bud, got news for you. Its just as easy to brick an iphone as it is any phone. If you start tinkering with internals, its a chance your taking. Period. Oh yeah one other thing, steve jobs may brick your phone for you if you do tinker. So what's the better option here eh? Argument invalidated.
Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
i think there is definatly a place for a closed streamlined OS which is for those who just want ''a phone'' and dont want to customise or tweak.
However its place is not at the premium pirce point at the top end of the phone market. That place should be reserved for the flexiable inovative and open source OS's
However its place is not at the premium pirce point at the top end of the phone market. That place should be reserved for the flexiable inovative and open source OS's
toasty
Android Enthusiast
Not really interested in going through this point by point, but this does merit a response, because it's demonstrably false. One of the really nice things about macs, actually, is that you can plug in just about anything and it will figure out how to operate it. No hunting the net for drivers or any of that BS, just plug it in and let it go. The same cannot be said of PCs.
I take it, that it's been awhile since you've done this with a PC. I haven't had to look for a driver in years. Now, I haven't installed anything crazy either, like a light spectrometer, or anything else out there.
So, again... this is an invalid point.
FYI, a quick search turned up a few dedicated pay sites for downloading Mac OS X drivers. That should tell you something.
toasty
Android Enthusiast
Well, I wasn't really making an affirmative point, I was responding to the suggestion that there's some kind of compatibility issue with macs and other devices. There isn't. That was my point, and taking you at your word that PCs have caught up in that regard, it still doesn't render what I'm saying "invalid."
What it tells me is that someone is trying to rip off mac users who have come over from PCs, because hunting around for drivers is just not a part of the mac experience at all, let alone paying for them. Maybe if you're doing something highly specialized, there's a need, but for most of us, there isn't.
Snow_Fox
Android Expert
To summerize my hate of apple.. let me explain it just like this, and this is my universal experience, happens almost everytime.
I was speaking to a co worker a while back, and before I even knew he liked apple.. I mentioned my disdain for iphone.. and he started crusading for how it is "like a computer in your pocket"... Straight outta steve jobs mouth.
Sure enough.. in the last few days.. I showed my co worker a snapdragon phone(Sadly I don't own it) ..... He was very interested in it.. Like I couldn't talk to him for an hour...
Sure enough when he was done.... I asked him if he enjoyed playing with it..
His comment.. was simply.. "its only a phone"...
Never mind the fact that it runs just a smoothly as the iphone... It has more features, and is a gorgeous looking phone that runs lightening quick. However, he considers it "just a phone" while I'm sure if I were to ask him about the iphone tomarrow.. he would still try to sell it to me as "a full computer in your pocket"..
He claims he isn't an apple fanboy...but, he only pays attention to apple.. The same guy who is getting an ipad "just for use in coffee shops"
Sadly the two kinds of people who use apple are those who don't care what else is out there and are happy, they at least listen if you mention something else.. And then there are the die hard apple fans.. who only see apple..
Sadly... My girlfriend actually gets dirty looks and people demanding to know why she didn't get an iphone when she pulls out her backflip.....
I was speaking to a co worker a while back, and before I even knew he liked apple.. I mentioned my disdain for iphone.. and he started crusading for how it is "like a computer in your pocket"... Straight outta steve jobs mouth.
Sure enough.. in the last few days.. I showed my co worker a snapdragon phone(Sadly I don't own it) ..... He was very interested in it.. Like I couldn't talk to him for an hour...
Sure enough when he was done.... I asked him if he enjoyed playing with it..
His comment.. was simply.. "its only a phone"...
Never mind the fact that it runs just a smoothly as the iphone... It has more features, and is a gorgeous looking phone that runs lightening quick. However, he considers it "just a phone" while I'm sure if I were to ask him about the iphone tomarrow.. he would still try to sell it to me as "a full computer in your pocket"..
He claims he isn't an apple fanboy...but, he only pays attention to apple.. The same guy who is getting an ipad "just for use in coffee shops"
Sadly the two kinds of people who use apple are those who don't care what else is out there and are happy, they at least listen if you mention something else.. And then there are the die hard apple fans.. who only see apple..
Sadly... My girlfriend actually gets dirty looks and people demanding to know why she didn't get an iphone when she pulls out her backflip.....
sontaikle
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It's really amazing how a lot of people in this thread are as bad as the apple fans they complain about.
No matter what it is—operating systems, phones, video game consoles—you're going to have hardcore fans who think their chosen platform is THE one. The majority of people could care less and they don't really say much. It's often a vocal minority that gives most people (such as Apple users) a bad name.
Are most Apple users regretful for their purchase and need to "justify" it? No. A lot of people are happy with it. Some may feel the need to, but most probably just go on happily using their MacBooks without saying anyway—so you never know about them. It's the annoying iSheep you hear from that make you all think that EACH AND EVERY Apple user is an annoying prick. Trust me, for every vocal apple fan there are numerous ones who just continue with their computing.
You might question why someone might spend more money on a computer...maybe because they like it? I mean really, is it a crime to spend money on something you like? Why do you, random forum user, care about a person who goes to the apple store to buy a computer?
I'm also trying to find these "majority" of mac users who aren't tech-savvy too. All of the mac users I've met ARE tech-savvy. We generally use more than one OS, but Mac OSX is generally our main. Why? We happen to like it. In my case I was just really tired of Windows after using it for a number of years...
I know tech-savvy folks who often buy macs for the sole purpose of installing multiple OSes on them. I had Ubuntu on my MacBook at one point before I removed the partition because I needed the space (although I suppose I could put it back. I've since put a bigger hard drive into my laptop).
But seriously, who really cares? Ignore those who can't see past Steve Job's reality distortion field and stop creating one of your own.
No matter what it is—operating systems, phones, video game consoles—you're going to have hardcore fans who think their chosen platform is THE one. The majority of people could care less and they don't really say much. It's often a vocal minority that gives most people (such as Apple users) a bad name.
Are most Apple users regretful for their purchase and need to "justify" it? No. A lot of people are happy with it. Some may feel the need to, but most probably just go on happily using their MacBooks without saying anyway—so you never know about them. It's the annoying iSheep you hear from that make you all think that EACH AND EVERY Apple user is an annoying prick. Trust me, for every vocal apple fan there are numerous ones who just continue with their computing.
You might question why someone might spend more money on a computer...maybe because they like it? I mean really, is it a crime to spend money on something you like? Why do you, random forum user, care about a person who goes to the apple store to buy a computer?
I'm also trying to find these "majority" of mac users who aren't tech-savvy too. All of the mac users I've met ARE tech-savvy. We generally use more than one OS, but Mac OSX is generally our main. Why? We happen to like it. In my case I was just really tired of Windows after using it for a number of years...
I know tech-savvy folks who often buy macs for the sole purpose of installing multiple OSes on them. I had Ubuntu on my MacBook at one point before I removed the partition because I needed the space (although I suppose I could put it back. I've since put a bigger hard drive into my laptop).
But seriously, who really cares? Ignore those who can't see past Steve Job's reality distortion field and stop creating one of your own.
PaulMcCartney
Android Expert
It seems like there is an equal amount of hate coming from both sides, but the hate coming form the Apple fans usually doesn't make any sense at all.
Snow_Fox
Android Expert
As bad as apple fans?
Apple fans created half the problems you see here.
I'm sorry but, apple pretty much tries to make its customers feel like they are superior when they buy apple products.. there is no denying this..
And sadly.. more apple customers than I would like (not all) buy into just that..
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Feel free to let me know next time your in a local store and an android user or pc user starts complaining that their windows logo or android logo is going to be covered up, and acting like the employee is personally responsible for not stocking the cover that shows the logo..
Whoops my bad :/ I didn't know I ran the store and I got to select what merchandise we get.. how dare I not know you wanted everyone to be able to see your apple logo :/...
Apple fans created half the problems you see here.
I'm sorry but, apple pretty much tries to make its customers feel like they are superior when they buy apple products.. there is no denying this..
And sadly.. more apple customers than I would like (not all) buy into just that..
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Feel free to let me know next time your in a local store and an android user or pc user starts complaining that their windows logo or android logo is going to be covered up, and acting like the employee is personally responsible for not stocking the cover that shows the logo..
Whoops my bad :/ I didn't know I ran the store and I got to select what merchandise we get.. how dare I not know you wanted everyone to be able to see your apple logo :/...
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