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Who's planning to get the HTC Evo 3D
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novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
Wanna provide some specific reasons why you feel the Evo 3D is way better than the Galaxy S2?
Androidalltheway
Android Enthusiast
I plan on getting it, and hoping it releases early June like the evo 4g last year
GaryColeman
Well-Known Member
I really like this phone and I always convince myself I'm getting this phone.... but the SGS2 just keeps pulling me away!! I love both and I just don't know which one to get!!!
I am switching my 3D vote from yes to maybe. I am now leaning toward the Samsung S2 (assuming it has the 1.2ghz dual core exynos). I think the CPU/GPU will be more powerful than the Qualcomm 8660 (and the A9/Tegra 2). I prefer the sleeker look and size of the S2 (8.5mm thick vs. 12.1mm for the 3D). I am indifferent to the 3D, but I am not a fan of the 2 large lenses sticking out the back of the 3D surrounded by the red ring. I have no idea how the Super Amoled Plus compares to the higher res slcd on the 3D. But I assume both are good.
Unfortunately, I guess I have some time to think about it.
So-Low Da Don
Android Enthusiast
I love the 3D that's what's keeping me on the EVO, I have a 3D TV and a Nintendo 3DS, so that's a really big thing for me.... but the SGS2 has way better specs for me plus all the hubs and SA+ and I hear that it has a great battery life. But if it doesn't have a Sprint version then I will definitely be getting the EVO but if there is, then its going to be a very tough decision. and I really like the aesthetics on both.
toad6386
Android Enthusiast
It's kinda hard to decide on buying a phone without any kind of release information. 
I need price and date. My Pre is not long for this world (either by its design or mine), so I can't wait until a SEPT summer for a replacement. If I had a late June or early JUL target with an affordable price (200 would be nice a but cannot go above 250, no way), I could try to live with eth Pre, or even go to my wife's old Curve as a backup. But if longer than that, I'm either 4g, Shift or NS4G bound...
I need price and date. My Pre is not long for this world (either by its design or mine), so I can't wait until a SEPT summer for a replacement. If I had a late June or early JUL target with an affordable price (200 would be nice a but cannot go above 250, no way), I could try to live with eth Pre, or even go to my wife's old Curve as a backup. But if longer than that, I'm either 4g, Shift or NS4G bound...
So-Low Da Don
Android Enthusiast
After seeing engadget's review of the SGS2, I'm hooked on it but I still might try out this phone for 30 days because I know this is coming out before the Sprint version of the SGS2 and then I can see what I am going to be missing out on.
RichboyJhae
Android Enthusiast
Can someone please tell me what's up with all the hype for the Galaxy S2? It has some decent specs but isn't truly worth all the hubub.
Fan support for the SGS is nearly rabid.
I've seen many posts in the US-variants forums claiming they never needed Froyo because the SGS was so good, then when they got it... well, let's just say the SGS fans are as loyal as the Evo fans. I guess.
Samsung Galaxy S II review -- Engadget
It looks likes a great phone and SGS2 lovers can finally now enjoy the 480x800 clarity we've had on the Evo, so what's not to like, other than the usual Samsung fail at buttons?
I've seen many posts in the US-variants forums claiming they never needed Froyo because the SGS was so good, then when they got it... well, let's just say the SGS fans are as loyal as the Evo fans. I guess.
Samsung Galaxy S II review -- Engadget
It looks likes a great phone and SGS2 lovers can finally now enjoy the 480x800 clarity we've had on the Evo, so what's not to like, other than the usual Samsung fail at buttons?
So-Low Da Don
Android Enthusiast
Decent specs? No other phone can top it spec-wise, the exynos processor is the fastest dual-core so far, CPU and gpu, the SAMOLED+ is better because of not having the pentile Matrix, The battery life is supposed to last for more than24 hours with regular use, and somehow they did all this while making it the thinnest smartphone
. So that's just the best parts for me, but there's a lot more great specs, its an amazing phone... check out thisSamsung Galaxy S II review -- Engadget
Android 17
Android Enthusiast
The Galaxy SII really does look like a beast of phone, nice review by Engadget too.
It's still up to testing between the phones, but I wouldn't be surprised if the GPU on SII beats the one found in the EVO3D by a good bit.
Hummingbird easily runs circles around the Adreno 200, and even the 205, so I'd expect the Exynos to be on par, if not better than the 220, though the 220 will undoubtedly hold its own in any scenario.
I'd feel worse for anyone owning a device with Tegra 2 though, it was outdated even before any devices properly supported it and will surely lag behind both the 220 and the Mali-400 graphics found in the Galaxy SII phones.
I'm still likely going to get the EVO3D, but there's no debating that the SII won't provide sick competition.
It's still up to testing between the phones, but I wouldn't be surprised if the GPU on SII beats the one found in the EVO3D by a good bit.
Hummingbird easily runs circles around the Adreno 200, and even the 205, so I'd expect the Exynos to be on par, if not better than the 220, though the 220 will undoubtedly hold its own in any scenario.
I'd feel worse for anyone owning a device with Tegra 2 though, it was outdated even before any devices properly supported it and will surely lag behind both the 220 and the Mali-400 graphics found in the Galaxy SII phones.
I'm still likely going to get the EVO3D, but there's no debating that the SII won't provide sick competition.
Well, someone's going to argue that with a benchmark from somewhere, might as well be me -
Smartbench 2011 results for Samsung Galaxy S2 (featuring Samsung Exynos 4210) revealed! - Smartphone Benchmarks (SmartBench 2010/Quadrant) Forum
(Benchmarks - remember what Dad said: half of what you see, none of what you read.
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Smartbench 2011 results for Samsung Galaxy S2 (featuring Samsung Exynos 4210) revealed! - Smartphone Benchmarks (SmartBench 2010/Quadrant) Forum
You tell me if the Exynos is any good and then we'll both know.
(Benchmarks - remember what Dad said: half of what you see, none of what you read.
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Android 17
Android Enthusiast
It makes little sense that Exynos would be even weaker than Hummingbird, I'm hoping the tests are just completely not optimized to the new processor and further tests improve.
I mean, having the original Galaxy S, over a year old now, beat the S2 in terms of gaming in any shape or form would be utter failure in my opinion, but we shall see.
Though looking at it, it's impressive that the Hummingbird pretty much rivals any Tegra 2 dual core device. I certainly wouldn't care to have a Tegra 2 device, especially since supposedly the Adreno 220 will be 2X stronger.
I mean, having the original Galaxy S, over a year old now, beat the S2 in terms of gaming in any shape or form would be utter failure in my opinion, but we shall see.
Though looking at it, it's impressive that the Hummingbird pretty much rivals any Tegra 2 dual core device. I certainly wouldn't care to have a Tegra 2 device, especially since supposedly the Adreno 220 will be 2X stronger.
GaryColeman
Well-Known Member
Samsung S II with 1.2Ghz Exynos crushes HTC Paramid with 1.2Ghz Snapdragon with Adreno 220 (same chip as 3D). Both running Android 2.3.3...
"Smartbench 2011 is one of the few synthetic benchmark tests that are able to measure multicore performance, so these results are for both CPU cores at work. The Samsung Galaxy S II steadily beats the HTC Pyramid in both the productivity (3732 vs 1898 points), and GPU tests (2431 vs 1426 points)."
The S II released has a 1.2Ghz Exynos chip not the 1Ghz in those results a few posts up. Benchmarks may not translate perfectly in to real world usage, but from the review clips I have seen the S II is very smooth.
"Smartbench 2011 is one of the few synthetic benchmark tests that are able to measure multicore performance, so these results are for both CPU cores at work. The Samsung Galaxy S II steadily beats the HTC Pyramid in both the productivity (3732 vs 1898 points), and GPU tests (2431 vs 1426 points)."
The S II released has a 1.2Ghz Exynos chip not the 1Ghz in those results a few posts up. Benchmarks may not translate perfectly in to real world usage, but from the review clips I have seen the S II is very smooth.
RichboyJhae
Android Enthusiast
Lol see this is why I take benchmarks with a grain of salt. Has anyone hard the saying there's lies, damned lies, and statistics? Remember when everyone was throwing a fret over how the Droid X was getting froyo like benchmark scores without froyo, and how it all of a sudden became a glorified device? But in real life it really wasn't worth owning? I'm not trying to be a fanboy of HTC or anything, but I think we need to chill on benchmarks. They react differently with every phone, are inconsistent and ive seen tons of last gen rooted devices get up to 3000+ in quadrant, it really isn't that big of a deal. Won't be long before Kyocera releases some benchmark showing 5000000megaflipzz in linpack, lol.
And I ask my statements be taken on face value - I didn't post the benchmarks I did to show that the SGS2 was a dog - as I said, you tell me how the Exynos performs and we'll both know.
Why?
In Gary Coleman's linked article, the claim - in bold letters under the picture - is that the results are for a 1 GHz SGS2/9000-type. However - if you look at the 1 GHz SGS2/9000-type results in the link I posted and just multiply the first one by 1.2 - you pretty much get the results of the second benchmark.
Who to trust?
My link came from Smartbench - they're providing mindshare for their benchmarking suite.
The other linked material came from a blog, and referenced a page in Chinese, with a picture that wouldn't enlarge without pixelating. Blogs provide mindshare for themselves - anything controversial that drives clicks is good.
So - you may be right. The Exynos will just crush the 8660.
Or - not.
And there's the problem with most benchmarks.
Do we tweak them until we get the results we want?
Show of hands - how many here know exactly what the software in the benchmarks is doing and how it written?
Good benchmarks are good for developers to pinpoint issues so they can improve them.
They are by nature single-dimensional.
They require expert interpretation, and there's nothing wrong with people providing us that service.
I just haven't found anyone providing correlated evaluations that are objective.
If you look at my post history, I attacked the benchmarks on the DX before it came out and was loved by some and labeled a crank by most others - but my predictions held true, for one simple reason - there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
So - if the Exynos is indeed not up to par compared to Hummingbird, I would indeed investigate closely the basis of that statement.
If true, it's an indictment against Samsung intelligence.
Choices on what to do with that:
- Improve the benchmark
- Increase the controversy
- Click here for ad revenue, er, I mean, results, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain
- Apply EarlyMon's Benchmarking Rule: if in doubt, trust user reviews only - users tell the truth and it always comes out
- Adopt early if adventurous, there's absolutely NOTHING with that and it's fun
- Early adopters tend to not feel screwed in any case - there's fun on the front line whether the device selected is best or only second-best, because either way, it kills what you had previously
I'm gonna go with the Exynos is a clear improvement over the Hummingbird because I trust Samsung design intelligence, until all results are in, and I'm gonna go with SGS2 beating the 3dEvo on graphics benchmarks if for no other reason that the iP3gs beats the iP4 on those benchmarks - fewer pixels to update.
In fact - doesn't the current crop of SGS/Hummingbird phones all have pentile displays, therefore, fewer subpixels to update?
And doesn't the SGS2/Exynos have more subpixels?
So - isn't the the common sense explanation for the assertion that the Hummingbird > Exynos on graphics really nothing more complex than the bloggers don't know how to evaluate benchmark results?
And how do the cpus interact with the gpu cores? What are their pipeline widths? What's the glue logic configurations in silicon? Those are driving factors, just as much or more as core performance is.
Benchmarks give order of magnitude comparisons - when the comparisons are evaluations are objective.
Personally - I switched from Samsung to HTC and for me, there's no going back. Others switched from HTC to Samsung and feel the same way.
When someone makes the perfect phone, let's all go out and buy it.
These are my opinions.
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Takeaway:
Subpixel count metric: Evo 3D has more than SGS2 has more than SGS.
Time to update subpixel prediction by me: SGS takes less time than SGS2 than Evo 3D.
And I simply don't believe a website claiming anything on the Pyramid that I can't read and evaluate for myself.
I have few concerns about the Evo3D
1. Fragmentation - Will it have 2.3.4 soon? What about other updates? HTC lags Google by about 4-5 months
2. Sense Lag - You add a lot of horsepower, but if you add a lot of bloat in the overlay, you can easily get a phone that hangs and struggles like older phones.
3. Sense bugs - New overlay will have bugs. It's just a matter of how annoying they are and how long till they get patched. I've got some issues with my Hero that HTC never even bothered to address.
4. Ice Cream Sandwich - If 2.4 really is Honeycomb on a phone, it will be a huge leap for Google and android, and is what I will want over Sense, Motoblur, Touchwiz or whatever.
I regard these concerns as significant enough to make me consider the Nexus S 4G for phone duties, and push the heavier multimedia burden on to an Asus Transformer
Figure, Google will drop 2.4 and maybe even 2.5 this year, while many are still struggling to get gingerbread.
The question for me is do I want Google/Android advancements more than multimedia powerhouse.
1. Fragmentation - Will it have 2.3.4 soon? What about other updates? HTC lags Google by about 4-5 months
2. Sense Lag - You add a lot of horsepower, but if you add a lot of bloat in the overlay, you can easily get a phone that hangs and struggles like older phones.
3. Sense bugs - New overlay will have bugs. It's just a matter of how annoying they are and how long till they get patched. I've got some issues with my Hero that HTC never even bothered to address.
4. Ice Cream Sandwich - If 2.4 really is Honeycomb on a phone, it will be a huge leap for Google and android, and is what I will want over Sense, Motoblur, Touchwiz or whatever.
I regard these concerns as significant enough to make me consider the Nexus S 4G for phone duties, and push the heavier multimedia burden on to an Asus Transformer
Figure, Google will drop 2.4 and maybe even 2.5 this year, while many are still struggling to get gingerbread.
The question for me is do I want Google/Android advancements more than multimedia powerhouse.
GaryColeman
Well-Known Member
Well Kudos to Qualcomm for getting better performance out of the 8660 using the older A8 architecture vs. Samsung Exynos using A9. A tip of the hat to Qcom...my fancy Royal Wedding hat.
Both will be top-notch processors.
The current Android SDK recognizes A8 with extensions - with A15 and better processors in the works, the entire platform will need time to catch up - and by then, A15 or better quad cores may be the norm.
One main thing with the Exynos and 8660, unlike the Tegra 2, the cores are asynchronous clocked. So performance from either ought be expected to exceed in many areas.
Here's one look at what's on the horizon - Qualcomm Leaks Details of Next Generation Snapdragon Processors
Equal time - SAMSUNG's Digital World
According to this, no guarantees you'll get the Exynos in your SGS2, depends on the region you're in - AnandTech.com - Samsung's Tegra 2 Superphone: The GT-I9103
You might want to consider the Flash benchmark accessed on the link on the above page - there are pros and cons to the Tegra 2 vs. Exynos.
I can't imagine being too unhappy with any of the new 2-cores, they all beat the QSD8650 I'm happy with.
And - can't stress this enough - we don't run our apps on SoC processors.
We run app software that runs within the Dalvik Virtual Machine that runs on Linux that runs on a motherboard with a lot of significant silicon - one piece of which is the SoC processor.
FWIW, I think your approach of choosing the SGS2 because of its overall characteristics for your needs is the way to go. I've never understood all the hoopdee in the processor wars - today or 20 years ago.
Buying a better processor doesn't make hair shinier, my breath better or the girls love me more. My only dog in this fight is trying to help those interested separate marketing claims from facts, because we're long on one and short on the other.
Honeycomb is for tablets only.
Google to Hold Back 'Honeycomb' From Phones | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
The context was -
Google has said that Ice Cream will reconcile Honeycomb for phones. Andy Rubin originally said last December that phones would get Honeycomb, in an All Things Digital video interview - the rush to the tablet market forced them to pull back features and it's been Rubin's lieutenants making the tablet-only statements to the press, until it became official.
Ice Cream (Sandwich?) was announced for release by December 2011, according to an earlier Google press statement.
There have also been contradictory statements that 2.4 will simply be an upgraded Gingerbread, following the precedent that Eclair was both 2.0 and 2.1.
Ice Cream will supposedly scale to both tablets and phones - as indeed some enterprising devs showed that Honeycomb could already do back in January, as memory serves.
So - yes to Ice Cream, no to anytime really soon.
GaryColeman
Well-Known Member
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
Yeah - here's the thing - don't care about 3D, care about more memory and Sense 3 with a processor boost to accommodate it.
I've hot-rodded my Evo, and have no complaints.
No, not really. Girl's like the big display - and I'm sure more than a few will love to see themselves in a 3D picture on my phone, showing off their natural beauty.
Hmmm. Gotta call WifelyMon's friends over - this will no doubt get me more than a few drinks and dinners.
Bottom line - all the girls I know like results and don't care how they happen, so long as they happen right.
Appreciate you bringing it up!