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Windows 10, Yay or Nay?

While I can't stay Windows free (yet), I am currently ammasing/testing some new drives for my main desktop. I plan to run Mint exclusively, and dual boot a gutted Win7 installation only for using some of the flashing utilities that require direct access to USB via Windows. Anything else needing win7 (TurboTax for example) can be used in a VM. Once all happy with this, the laptop is next. Screw M$ and their conspiracy with the chip makers. The "so-called" secure boot was just the beginning to cram windows down your throat in a factory configured rig. I foresee much worse ahead, and don't plan to be a part of it. The day I am *forced* to run it to use MY computers is the day I go offline and smash them to bits.

This is where I am at.... I have a decade's worth of TurboTax stored on my Win7 Desktop PC.
I just wish the extra drive door was in the front of the case... I should have made that critical point when I bought this Gateway 4850 I have now.

I tried to make a Flash drive yesterday and it bollixed up and none of my computers can even see it...
sheesh!!! I am hoping that when my Temper Tantrum goes away, that I can put the MBR back on it, and use it again.


I read the M$ release in this morning's newsletters, just yet another reason to start backing off from M$ bastards. Yet, I have so much running under Windows now, it is hard to just say "bye bye" forever.

My laptop is on Mint 17.3 Cinnamon and running smoothly. I hope to get better acquainted with that.
and later, it would be nice to learn about other distros.... but all of that takes a huge amount of time...
and being a Moderator of some forums, and also designing a Website, I just don't have the freedom to block out 2 or 3 days just to learn something about Linux.

Somewhere in there, I just must have, My Stress Reliever

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When I went ali-Linux cold turkey 15 years ago, one thing I did was some research into what would I use to replace Quicken? Then I found GnuCash. Been using it for 15 happy years. Turned out to be one of the best things about going Linux. Available for most distros and Windows. And files can be shared directly between Windows and Linux..
 
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When I went all-Linux cold turkey 15 years ago, one thing I did some research into was what would I use to replace Quicken? Then I found GnuCash. Been using it for 15 Happy years. Turned out to be one of the best things about going Linux. Available for most distros and Windows. And files can be shared directly between Windows and Linux..

Thanks for that tidbit on GnuCash.....
I use Quicken Checkbook to do my bookkeeping. The auto Categories relieves me of a lot of grunge work.
 
Thanks for that tidbit on GnuCash.....
I use Quicken Checkbook to do my bookkeeping. The auto Categories relieves me of a lot of grunge work.
Well, you don't really have to go cold turkey (as much as I admire that and wish I could), but Linux has come a long way with reading and writing to ntfs since the early days. I'll migrate gradually and still keep a shared NTFS data partition to access certain files from both.

Other than TurboTax (which I can run in a VM), I need a native minimal windows installation to use many of the Android flash tools to recover/modify phones (Odin, lg flash, CDMA workshop, and the like). A lot of the root methods and such are also developed for windows only as well, so I need that flexibility too.

My really important stuff (like years of tax data, photos, etc.) get burned to optical media for safe keeping. I'm also grandfathered with unlimited cloud storage via my Charter account, so that's comforting as well.
 
I don't use Quicken, et al, because I don't have any money to manage... too many leeches still attached to my meagre wallet.

I stopped doing my own taxes because the stress was really grinding down on me. Whatever I have to pay my preparer is worth it just because I can swing by, give her an hour of my time, and then swing by a little later to sign some papers and be done with it.

At any rate, everybody has a different set of circumstances, and a different set of priorities... some need to hold on to Win, others can leave it far behind. The challenge is finding the time and patience to discover what works best for you.
 
Well, you don't really have to go cold turkey (as much as I admire that and wish I could), but Linux has come a long way with reading and writing to ntfs since the early days. I'll migrate gradually and still keep a shared NTFS data partition to access certain files from both.

Other than TurboTax (which I can run in a VM), I need a native minimal windows installation to use many of the Android flash tools to recover/modify phones (Odin, lg flash, CDMA workshop, and the like). A lot of the root methods and such are also developed for windows only as well, so I need that flexibility too.

My really important stuff (like years of tax data, photos, etc.) get burned to optical media for safe keeping. I'm also grandfathered with unlimited cloud storage via my Charter account, so that's comforting as well.

My really important stuff (like years of tax data, photos, etc.) get burned to optical media for safe keeping. I'm also grandfathered with unlimited cloud storage via my Charter account, so that's comforting as well.

Ummm, I don't trust optical stuff all that well. I have seen them fade away with age... hopefully I am still hanging onto memories of the first generation or two of CDs that would simply loose all intelligence if left in the sun, or just simply a few years old...

And, it has been my experieince that they scratch all too easy and become useless that way.
And, the 3rd reason is a Physical One...... they get lost and there are no backups?

I just prefer good ole HDD animals.... Easily searchable at speed.... CD and DVD stuff is a PITA to try and look thru, and each time you use them, you risk another scratch.
 
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I went Linux cold turkey because I had done enough research first to know Linux could cover basic stuff like documents, email, etc. When I found out about GnuCash that was the deal-maker. With basic needs coveed, I'd find a way around the rest. I manged even to run needed business software with help from Win4Lin at first, then Wne or a VM. I forced myself to do it because I knew if I didn't I'd just keep making excuses not to instead of learning and finding solutions.

I understand the reluctance to give up Windows and that it just may not be possible for some. Not to pick on anyone, but just for example, hanging onto a NTFS partition. To me, if you're serious about Linux you approach this as Linux gets priority as the primary OS. So the approach becomes not leaving a NTFS partition to cater to Windows needs. Forget that Linux reads NTFS, the question is how to get Windows to read ext4. Which is easily done.

IOW, make Windows kneel to the will of Linux, not Linux to Windows.

BTW, I trust spinning disk hard drives even less than optical disks.
 
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Backing up data comes, ideally, in several forms.

Optical media is useful when you have a set storage area to keep your disks protected from everyday wear. I have several binders of music CDs and backed up DVDs.

Hard drives are nice and compact, carry a lot of data, but are prone to failure... I have no information on how long modern magnetic media will retain written data, but I do remember that twenty years ago, one has to occasionally refresh the tracks on a drive.

FLASH memory (think thumb drives) is also compact and retains data for quite a while, but are limited in the number of writes (yes, it's a much larger number than ten years ago; but you still don't want to treat it like RAM).

"Cloud" storage is for ever, except when one doesn't have access to said cloud, or your subscriptions expire, etc.

The best solution is to use a combination of storage options and have multiple copies in multiple locations.


As I mentioned before, the OS is a tool... Forcing one to be subservient to the other is like making the hammer subservient to the wrench.
 
I agree, we need to have multiple storage options. Which I do for my super important stuff that I keep in Evernote. That kind of stuff must be available to me, Anytime, Anywhere, on AnyDevice...

For my HDDs, I keep two of them running as backups... none of them have ever failed... all are of recent manufacture. The only 'modern' HDD that has crashed was in a laptop that got dropped.

I have been having a lot of problems with Yahoo's automatic features under Win7...
Sometimes I think it is Adblockers. so I turn them off, it seems to work, for a while...
then, it all changes again, and yesterday and today, I just cannot get Yahoo on Win7 to work so that I can forward, or create new emails.... ie, type in 2 or 3 letters and it outfills the rest of the name.

So, I go to my Linux laptop, bring up Yahoo email and try it there...
It is working.... it worked yesterday, and it has worked for me twice today...

It seems that Linux is slowly, but surely, going to become the OS of choice for "Reliability".

ie, Firefox. On Win7 it crashes on me roughly several times while I am using it.... I'm on the internet for 2 to 3 hours at a time, and FF goes down at least twice or more per hour..... argh!!!

On the Linux laptop, FF has yet to crash on me once. I can't ignore that kind of evidence.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to either boot the Desktop PC with a Flash drive, or rig it up to Dual Boot.

I am trying to design a new Website, and Win7/FF is crashing so much, I am loosing valuable data.... argh! again
 
I went Linux cold turkey because I had done enough research first to know Linux could cover basic stuff like documents, email, etc. When I found out about GnuCash that was the deal-maker. With basic needs coveed, I'd find a way around the rest. I manged even to run needed business software with help from Win4Lin at first, then Wne or a VM. I forced myself to do it because I knew if I didn't I'd just keep making excuses not to instead of learning and finding solutions.

I understand the reluctance to give up Windows and that it just may not be possible for some. Not to pick on anyone, but just for example, hanging onto a NTFS partition. To me, if you're serious about Linux you approach this as Linux gets priority as the primary OS. So the approach becomes not leaving a NTFS partition to cater to Windows needs. Forget that Linux reads NTFS, the question is how to get Windows to read ext4. Which is easily done.
Do you (or anyone else) have a preferred method to do this? I see Ext2Fsd Project as a real possibility with ext 4 access available at boot time. Anyone have experience with this? I'll have some free time next month to completely rebuild my main desktop and I want to get it right the first time.

I really appreciate your candor/advice. To be perfectly honest I haven't used Linux exclusively on any of my boxen until somewhat recently (mostly for use as a dedicated machine to more easily work with Android devices). Superr's kitchen is a prime example. Though I've dabbled for many years with various distros, it seems that I still fall back to Windows (mostly because I'm the "go to" guy when someones computer is fubar or otherwise goes tits up). Seemingly everyone runs Windows, and rather than spending hours ridding virii, etc., I recover as much data as I can (via Linux tools usually), then wipe & clean install. If it's older hardware, I tell them that they will HAVE to run Linux or be SOL. The vast majority use their computers for Internet and not much else, so Linux is perfect and way more secure. While most are happy (and truly surprised at the speed/ease of use), there are still some who just can't stand something different. I've acquired several older units for free due to their insistence of using Windows. Bad for them - good for me, and my grand-kids love them ;).

While fixing these is currently more of a hobby than anything else, I am considering this a means to earn a few bucks doing so after (hopefully soon) retirement. Win10 "as a service" has changed my thinking. I want an operating system that is ALL mine, where "I" control everything and NO data tracking/mining is possible. The recent announcement that M$ had partnered with chip makers is nothing more than an attempt at world domination. Won't be long before any pre-manufactured computer is locked to Win10. It's already happening with them making Secure boot lockout a reality. If the mfg wants to pre-install Win10, that's ALL it will be allowed to run? Cripe! It will soon be build your own (which I usually do) or be enslaved to M$. Apparently my future plans may well be to convince the ordinary user to run Linux or be at the mercy of the "Geek Squad" (or whatever).

IOW, make Windows kneel to the will of Linux, not Linux to Windows.

Now THIS I like! ;)

BTW, I trust spinning disk hard drives even less than optical disks.
I didn't mean to imply optical storage as the ONLY means to preserve data, but in conjunction with cloud based backup (be it remotely or ones own). I always have more than one means to save/secure/access it.
 
Ummm, I don't trust optical stuff all that well. I have seen them fade away with age...I just prefer good ole HDD animals.... Easily searchable at speed....

Hard drives are nice and compact, carry a lot of data, but are prone to failure... I have no information on how long modern magnetic media will retain written data, but I do remember that twenty years ago, one has to occasionally refresh the tracks on a drive.

FLASH memory (think thumb drives) is also compact and retains data for quite a while, but are limited in the number of writes (yes, it's a much larger number than ten years ago; but you still don't want to treat it like RAM).

"Cloud" storage is for ever, except when one doesn't have access to said cloud, or your subscriptions expire, etc.

The best solution is to use a combination of storage options and have multiple copies in multiple locations.

I agree, we need to have multiple storage options. Which I do for my super important stuff that I keep in Evernote. That kind of stuff must be available to me, Anytime, Anywhere, on AnyDevice...

ie, Firefox. On Win7 it crashes on me roughly several times while I am using it.... I'm on the internet for 2 to 3 hours at a time, and FF goes down at least twice or more per hour..... argh!!!

On the Linux laptop, FF has yet to crash on me once. I can't ignore that kind of evidence.

If this keeps up, I am going to have to either boot the Desktop PC with a Flash drive, or rig it up to Dual Boot.

I am trying to design a new Website, and Win7/FF is crashing so much, I am loosing valuable data.... argh! again

No more spinning disks of any kind for me. Gone to SSD drives for local storage.

This is what I do for backups:

http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=4519244

I take no chances.

Firefox crashes every week or so on Android. I honestly can't remember the last time it crashed in Windows and its probably been years since it happened in Linux.

Flash drives may not be good for as many read/write cycles as a HD, but it's still thousands and I consider them more trustworthy.

Do you (or anyone else) have a preferred method to do this? I see Ext2Fsd Project as a real possibility with ext 4 access available at boot time. Anyone have experience with this?

There's always commercial solutions such as:

https://www.paragon-software.com/home/extfs-windows/
 
I went to Chrome for my Android phone; seems to work okay for me. I use Firefox in Linux, I have half a dozen profiles set up, each with its own settings and add-ons (or lack thereof).

I really could use a stripped-down, low overhead browser specifically for offline html work, though, and haven't found anything satisfactory.
 
No more spinning disks of any kind for me. Gone to SSD drives for local storage.

This is what I do for backups:

http://forums.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=4519244

I take no chances.

Firefox crashes every week or so on Android. I honestly can't remember the last time it crashed in Windows and its probably been years since it happened in Linux.

Flash drives may not be good for as many read/write cycles as a HD, but it's still thousands and I consider them more trustworthy.



There's always commercial solutions such as:

https://www.paragon-software.com/home/extfs-windows/
I couldn't really find out the difference between the paid vs free version. Anyone know or have actually used this? Looks quite promising. Thanks
 
I haven't used Paragon myself but they have been around a long time and have a good reputation. The $20 Professional version adds:

"Unique business tool to get Linux and Windows cooperating
Create/format partition wizards
Read/Write support for LVM (Logical Volume Management)".

The latter is losing importance as PCs move away from LVM to UEFI. The free version would probably do fine but personally I would pop $20 just to show support.
 
From my understanding Windows 10 will be the last version numbered windows. I keep all my drives ext4 no need for any ntfs. One of the main reasons for my switch was just the time it took to keep Windows running smoothly. I mean every day I had to do virus scans on all the computers in the house I had to do anti-malware scans and I had to do spyware scans. I had to purchase the apps to do these scans and not to mention I had to check disk and defrag them all once a week as well. Before companies like Symantec allowed for you to buy a single disk with licences for up to 3 computers which meant I always had to spend a little extra to get the 4th on. I had to actually buy a copy for each one. I didn't do it once and the ex-wifes computer denied us use of the av. I not being a rich man decided that Windows was really for those who can afford it. The whole activation thing really bothered me as well. I spend $300.00 on a OS I should be able to put it on as many computers as I have in my home not have to purchase the same crap 4 times.

So I got rid of the money hog and learned to live with out it. The only maintenance I need to do with Linux is a Regular backup of personal data which I have a script do for me every 3 days. If I do heavy enough work I can just run the script via command line. I do keep a local backup and I tarzip a backup for the cloud. No more weekly defrags no more virus scans no more making someone else rich while I stay poor.
 
If I may intrude with a question about the original topic, I have two problems with Win10, besides it just looking silly. First, I can't get the desktop icons to sit along the bottom of the screen. I've tried suggestions like text size scaling, they just make it worse. The other is that it keeps trying to install update KB2267602 for Windows Defender, whether I have it on or off or my Panda AV on or off.

Intruding with the original topic again, I fixed the icon 'problem' by finding HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics IconVerticalSpacing and trying other numbers in there. Not perfect yet, but closer. And I apparently fixed the inability to update Defender by disabling it first. So I'm ready to leap into Win10 en toto, but I still think it looks silly.
 
Intruding with the original topic again, I fixed the icon 'problem' by finding HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\WindowMetrics IconVerticalSpacing and trying other numbers in there. Not perfect yet, but closer. And I apparently fixed the inability to update Defender by disabling it first. So I'm ready to leap into Win10 en toto, but I still think it looks silly.

If you press Ctrl + scroll up/down on the desktop, you'll find some sizes of icons will give a bottom row closer or further from the taskbar.
 
My suggestion to uncheck 'Auto arrange icons' didn't work? Really?

I never did have that checked, but did, and still do, have Align to Grid checked. The 'problem' is too trivial to spend all this time on – the desktop icons sit higher in W10 then they do in Win7. The vertical spacing mentioned above isn't a true cure, but does help enough for me to set the matter aside.

What looks silly, exactly?

The borders, the buttons, stuff like that looks childish compared to the sleek Win7's.

I will probably switch to Win10 someday, but as long as I don't have to, it ain't easy.
 
It seems that Linux is slowly, but surely, going to become the OS of choice for "Reliability"

I have Mint on a flash, almost never use it, but agree with what you said. To become the OS of choice, they need to put their heads together and learn how to make Windows seem silly even for Windows diehards like me.
 
Considering that "Linux" is a loosely associated conglomeration of disparate entities, most of whom are only looking for personal best-ways-to-do-things and not actively competing against Microsoft for users (or paying customers... mostly), I seriously doubt they will get their heads together for a Windows-killing battle plan.

Seriously, referring to Linux is like making general pronouncements about Canids-- yes, they are all dogs...Except for those who are not (foxes, jackals), and compounding the problem by including in that definition things that aren't (BSD is often lumped into the Linux fold despite being an entirely different thing... they are thylacines).
 
I have Mint on a flash, almost never use it, but agree with what you said. To become the OS of choice, they need to put their heads together and learn how to make Windows seem silly even for Windows diehards like me.
Too late! I got there last yr after realizing that android + Windows are about as symbiotic as a screen door on a submarine [emoji12]
 
Too late! I got there last yr after realizing that android + Windows are about as symbiotic as a screen door on a submarine [emoji12]
LOL! My biggest regret is spending the last decade or two gutting, tweaking, and making windows more usable/secure. Had I spent 10% of that time in Linux, I would be way better off. While I'm older and a bit wiser now, I have decided to commit (as much as possible) to it. They say it's never too late to learn, so I intend to concentrate more of my time in this arena. When my family and friends have windows issues, I'll simply tell them to run a real OS and be free of the nonsense, or go elsewhere.

I'll still need a minimal win install to use many of the Android development tools (and know enough to use it at work), but in due time I'll retire and be free of this crap.
 
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