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Windows 10, Yay or Nay?

argedion said:
Very Rarely did I ever dual boot to the same disk. I sometimes run a few different systems for different circumstances or testing so I want a real environment. I have plenty of external hard drives and find it convenient to dual boot this way. I can simply unplug the distro from one computer and plug it into another if I need to. Even back in my Windows days I would always put Linux on an external I figured less crap can happen to my windows if I don't even mess with the disk. Besides its not like I can access the Linux side on Windows anyway with out a third party driver for ext.
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I'm a lot like you in the fact that I don't use the same drive. The Lubuntu distro that I boot from my laptop has everything configured to my specific hardware, and runs from a flash drive. I can still use the storage of the bigger disk, yet can also be in the environment I need at will.
 
argedion said:
Very Rarely did I ever dual boot to the same disk. I sometimes run a few different systems for different circumstances or testing so I want a real environment. I have plenty of external hard drives and find it convenient to dual boot this way. I can simply unplug the distro from one computer and plug it into another if I need to. Even back in my Windows days I would always put Linux on an external I figured less crap can happen to my windows if I don't even mess with the disk. Besides its not like I can access the Linux side on Windows anyway with out a third party driver for ext.
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IF, the HDD is Linux, "Wine" will allow you to run Windows OS's inside a Virtual Space... and under that situation, Windows can see anything on the Linux data storage areas.
 
AZgl1500 said:
IF, the HDD is Linux, "Wine" will allow you to run Windows OS's inside a Virtual Space...
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Well, not quite. Unless I misunderstand you, you've mixed this up a bit. Just to make this clear for readers, Wine is not Windows OS running in a virtual machine (Virtual Space). You don't use a Windows installation disk. Wine is a kind of simulated Windows. It's a somewhat successful attempt to recreate DLL libraries etc - enough of the Windows OS to run Windows applications. IOW you don't actually run Windows with Wine, you run a partial, reasonable facsimile of Windows, enough to fool software into installing and running - hopefully.

...and under that situation, Windows can see anything on the Linux data storage areas.
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When using a virtual machine such as VM Ware or Virtualbox, then you actually install Windows from a disk into the virtual machine (Virtual Space) which is an emulated Windows environment. Since it's real Windows, most software installs and runs quite happily. Not all, but most. And you are correct, in this situation the VM 'translates' the Linux file system so Windows can access them.

As has been said, Wine or a Windows VM satisfies the Windows needs of most users. But not all. It's not 100% exactly the same as a normal Windows installation.
 
AZgl1500 said:
IF, the HDD is Linux, "Wine" will allow you to run Windows OS's inside a Virtual Space... and under that situation, Windows can see anything on the Linux data storage areas.
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I don't do wine. I don't want windows in my Linux I don't want windows at all
 
argedion said:
I don't do wine. I don't want windows in my Linux I don't want windows at all
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I must admit I'd rather have a pure Linux environment, and if you can get away with that, brilliant. However, there is one particular Windows application which is vital to my work, and fortunately can be run under Wine. That's a life-saver for me, It would be a real pain to continually have to reboot Windows for the sake of that one application.
 
I made a bad misque in my reference to "Wine", it is not the Windows OS, it is a bridge between Windows applications and Linux which allows Windows apps to be able to run and interface with the hardware on the PC/laptop, etc...

I installed Linux several times trying to figure out what I wanted to do....
My final decision was that Windows apps stay on a PC dedicated to Windows, and Linux stuff stays on a dedicated Linux machine.

for me, that means that my Desktop is Win7 and I have 20 years of history stored there.

On my new laptop, which came with Win10 and I could not stand that POS invasion to my privacy, nor the arcane way in which it tries to force you to use the PC.

I formatted the HDD and left it pure Linux... in my case, Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa/Cinnamon. I only use the laptop to browse the internet if I am away from home, or just casual use in my recliner while watching TV.

For me, I like the separation of the two formats. I had a friend try really hard to get me to dual boot my Desktop... that is something I am not willing to do... Two decades of data there, not willing to risk a crash.
 
AZgl1500 said:
I made a bad misque in my reference to "Wine", it is not the Windows OS, it is a bridge between Windows applications and Linux which allows Windows apps to be able to run and interface with the hardware on the PC/laptop, etc...

I installed Linux several times trying to figure out what I wanted to do....
My final decision was that Windows apps stay on a PC dedicated to Windows, and Linux stuff stays on a dedicated Linux machine.

for me, that means that my Desktop is Win7 and I have 20 years of history stored there.

On my new laptop, which came with Win10 and I could not stand that POS invasion to my privacy, nor the arcane way in which it tries to force you to use the PC.

I formatted the HDD and left it pure Linux... in my case, Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa/Cinnamon. I only use the laptop to browse the internet if I am away from home, or just casual use in my recliner while watching TV.

For me, I like the separation of the two formats. I had a friend try really hard to get me to dual boot my Desktop... that is something I am not willing to do... Two decades of data there, not willing to risk a crash.
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dual boot does not necessarily mean booting from the same hard drive. As I have stated I always put Linux on an external drive with out the need to mess with my internal one. In the old days when I first started and I did dual boot off the same drive I sometime would get linux installed and could boot into it fine then go to boot into windows and get invalid partition or some crap like that. Then you fix mbr and bam windows will boot but now linux wont. I decided then it was easier to put linux and grub on external and let them boot from there. I did that for a few years before I completely got rid of windows all together. If the time comes I need it again then i'll deal with it at that time.
 
AZgl1500 said:
I had a friend try really hard to get me to dual boot my Desktop... that is something I am not willing to do... Two decades of data there, not willing to risk a crash.
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I am hoping for your sake that you have backups of that 'two decades' worth of data...

While I have the same, mine is scattered amongst some thirty hard drives and countless CDs and even floppy disks. Frankly, hardly anything over five years old is on my current system, and a good chunk of that is either worthless or already archived online somewhere, likely in the form of a LiveJournal or Facebook post.

Seriously, back your data up, while it's still available to you. Then back it up again and put that backup somewhere else, if you really value that information.

I'm willing to wager that when you actually start looking at it, most of it will be junk.
 
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I don't understand all the protests over Win 10 and its privacy issues. It certainly has them. But Win 7 doesn't? Of course it does, much like Win 10. Data-mining by Microsoft has been going on at least since Win 95 and probably before that. Just take the time to tirme that crap off. You can most of it, like Win 7 some still runs secretly. For what can't be disabled you can firewall it. Really not much difference in what must be done for privacy from Win 7 to Win 10. Mostly, Win 10 is more blatant, more in-your-face with it. In a way that's good because it makes you aware.

Same thing regarding the Win 10 UI. It sucks, I hate it. So I just got into the settings and made it look and work almost like Win 7. No added software needed, just a pita figuring out how to get Win 10 to cooperate, but it did. What I ended up with is a kinda slicked-out Win 7. Fedora 23 with Cinnamon is way easier to configure and use. But as Windows goes Win 10 is IMHO th best version since the best version, Windows 2000 Pro.

As for data backup, mine goes back nearly 30 years. But I take no chances. I don't rely on floppy disks, CD/DVDs, spinning disk hard drives, paper, etc. It's 2016 - time to take advantage of new technologies, but not just one. Here's what I do. It includes records for 2 businesses so is prbably overkill for most people. But I sleep well.

http://forums.androidcentral.com/ta...yncing-local-storage-options.html#post4333197
 
Talking about backup media, reminded me of this funny clip from TBBT. Sorry to go off topic a bit, but it is funny
Sheldon's MORTAL enemy list:

 
Ah crap! We're getting new laptops at work. Yay! I thought. However the downside is that my boss wants all developers to standardise on using Windows. *****!! I'm going to miss Ubuntu.

Oh well at least Windows 10 has virtual desktops, which Linux systems have had since the epoch. I use this feature *all* time in Ubuntu to organise applications. However, looking at how they are used in Win 10, seems a lot more clunky than in Unity. For example, if I want to move a window to another desktop, I simply press CTLR+ALT+SHIFT, then arrow key. In Win 10 you appear to need to use a menu. ughh

http://www.howtogeek.com/197625/how-to-use-virtual-desktops-in-windows-10/

I suppose I could run Ubuntu in a VM. Will that work do you think? Will it be slow?
 
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I haven't tried the desktops in Win 10... It'll be interesting to see how well it does.

Last time I tried VM, the virtual hardware was pretty limited (like P2 and 2GB, as I recall), but this was years ago.
 
LV426 said:
So what's your favourite distro?
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Tried a bunch a few years back, whittled down to Mint on a flash drive. Chose Mint, naturally for me, because it behaves the most like Windows. On m hard drive is Win 7, the best they got and Win 10, a weak runner-up.
 
If I may intrude with a question about the original topic, I have two problems with Win10, besides it just looking silly. First, I can't get the desktop icons to sit along the bottom of the screen. I've tried suggestions like text size scaling, they just make it worse. The other is that it keeps trying to install update KB2267602 for Windows Defender, whether I have it on or off or my Panda AV on or off.
 
I'm no Windows fan. It sucks and Win 10 does look kinda goofy out of the box. But a little fiddling around has it looking and working very much like a Win XP or Win 7 installation, but a little slicker, more polished. A Good Thing in my book. No additional desktop software used, just some different backgrounds and attention to configuration. And I have to admit, Win 10 runs nice. Heavier on resources than Fedora + Cinnamon, but still fast and stable.

argedion said:
Not real sure how to help with your issues but you may have to do some registry hacks to get 10 do align your icons and stop the update for defender
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I have no problem aligning icons along the bottom edge. No need to futz around in the friggin' registry. Just right-click on the desktop, select 'View' at the top of the pop-up box and make sure 'Auto arrange icons' is Unchecked. I like to leave 'Arrange to grid' checked.
That should do it.

As for the 'update KB2267602' error, I have not had this problem. But take a look here (2nd post):

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...ng-retry/fdc0fd17-60c2-41fc-bae3-c632a2b6e45f

...and follow this liink in the above posted answer:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/971058
 
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