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Windows 10, Yay or Nay?

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Wow! What happened there? Anyway I was trying to say that there's a solution to about every Windows to Linux problem. Word 2010 runs *almost* perfectly on Wine for me. GniCash is highly regarded, especially by accountants, but if you must have Quicken (which is actually fundamentally broken) there's Codeweavers

https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/quicken-2016

Not cheap, but Codeweavers has been around a long time. Or just run Windows in one of sevrral virtual machines and run almost anything.ok

Point is the old *I can"t use Linux because I need Windows for xxx" just doesn't hold much water anymore. I have more trouble trying to get Windows to do Linux stuff.

Anyway , for a set it and forget it super stable machine that you control and has very long-term support, free CentOS would be hard to beat.
 
my laptop has Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa Cinnamon on it now, it is solid as a rock, and I'm not going to mess with it anymore.

The damn laptop has that horrible new smart BIOS that won't stay the way you set it, it changes after it boots up and it also will not allow you to set up optional methods unless that device is attached while you are in the BIOS trying to set it up... all of that BIOS crap came about because of Microsoft demanding that only a secure OS would be allowed to bootup, and if the new OS did not have a Certificate assigned by Microsoft, the BIOS ignores everything you told it and boots straight into Win8.x or Win10 if you upgraded it.

So, I just formatted the hard drive so no remnants of WinXXX was there anymore, and that ended the BIOS screwing with me... now it just goes straight into Linux and kawham it is up.

I have another PC box laying around, that I thought I would mess with one day, throw Linux something on it, set it up as a server, and never need a monitor on it again.... unless maintenance is required. I might investigate CentOS at that time, but not now, the laptop works, and I have no interest in changing it.

My Desktop is on Win7 and I am not going to mess with it period, it stays just like it is, totally dependable, and works every time... I rarely turn it off, I think maybe once in the last 5 years. It just sits there and works.
 
Crashdamage said:
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Who's Judy?
 
Another preventer:

Never 10
Easily Control Automatic and Unwanted
Windows 7 & 8.1 Upgrading to Windows 10

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...had to disable my AV to run it, no idea if it's working.
 
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Microsoft needs you to fall in love with Windows. Soon

When you think of cool tech, Microsoft Windows probably isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

You're not alone. Even after Microsoft got into the business of selling sleek, powerful gadgets like its Surface tablet-laptop hybrids, the company has struggled to convince people it's on the cutting edge of tech.

Case in point: Windows 10. The highly regarded operating system -- launched last year and designed with mobile devices like Surface in mind -- runs on slightly more than 12 percent of the world's PCs. That doesn't sound too bad until you consider that more than half of the PCs running Windows out there use a version released by Microsoft more than six years ago.

So while Windows may be the world's most popular software, people aren't rushing to use the latest versions on PCs, let alone on the phones and tablets that are the biggest growth engines in the tech industry today.
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...cramming an inferior operating system down our throats doesn't help.
 
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I'm holding on to 7 Pro64 because
- it works and I can tweak it, and
- I use Media Center which became a paid option in lower versions of 8 and went away in 10.
There are people who have been able to port MC into 10 but it's a work in progress and doesn't negate all the other sucky things about it.
 
I've put my Laptop on EBay (Win10 dual booting with Linux) as I've got another (Xubuntu) Laptop which is newer and is stable. I've also resurrected an old Dell Inspiron 1300 with Linux (PCLOS LXDE) and it's just fine for everyday use. Not bad for a Win XP-era thing. (And I'm not sponsored by the Linux Foundation)
 
With a mix of time and boredom, I inserted the w10 DVD while wW7 was running, the normal way to 'update' my OS with my same files, apps and settings. It spent quite while but then went back to w7. But this came up, sorry we can't really read it:

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Apparently, Never10 did its job! I might restore from a backup, though, because MS was doing something for twenty minutes when it was pretending to install w10.
 
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Because I tried a bunch of distros, even still have Mint on a flash, but none of them made me feel more comfortable than a well-tuned Windows 7. Unfortunately, I don't like Windows 8 at all, 10 almost... stuck in time until something comes along that wakes me/us up.
 
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No offense bit instead of wasting so much time on Win7/10, why not spend it learning to setup a killer Linux box¿
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Simply because with 25 years experience with the nuances of the Windows OS versions, I don't have to wonder "what the hell?" and "why don't this work?"

I don't have to screw around with a new OS that has a VERTICAL learning curve, and it will not handle the applications that I know and use to maintain my business every day.... I have not changed my Word Macros in 20 years, they always work.... just a few keystrokes and whole paragraphs can appear if that is what I want.

I don't have to "tweek" Win7, I have it stripped to what is needed to make it shine. All of the junk was stripped out of it the 1st time I saw Win7..... it was nothing new to me, just like the previous version, a few new things under the hood, but nothing that changed the way I use the Desktop.... my Desktop has not changed in over 15 years... it don't need do. It works, and it works every day...

I won't bother with repeating the effort it took to make Linux work on my laptop, most of that was because of Microsoft's insistence on "Secure Boot", but once I figured that out, and turned it OFF, Linux installed, and I have now a Web Browser that works just fine. and for me, that is all a Laptop is good for, a Web Browser.... the OS under the hood I could care less about, as long as it works the First time, Every time... and for the laptop I have now, Linux boots faster, and runs Firefox just fine.... and that is all it will ever do for me... run a web browser.

when I want to do something important, it is always on my 24 inch Monitor/Desktop with gobs of RAM and a fast CPU plus I have a Professional, lighted keyboard, with keys that register a keystroke before the key hits the bottom of the stroke...

Laptop keyboards are a POS, I have never, ever, seen or felt a Laptop keyboard that is any damn good. and that includes the military versions that I have used from Panasonic in their toughbook series. I have been thru 5 versions of that laptop.

Linux has its' place, but not in my big desktop.
 
Crash,

I don't get all of those messages that you speak of with Win7.... the only messages I ever see are from the Anti-Virus program once in a while, and the little popup that says "there are Updates Available".

I have all of that other crap turned off, I am a big boy, I don't need that kind of stuff.

What I see on Win7 is pretty much the same thing that Linux Mint shows me when I save a file, it wants to know where to put that file. If I save a document, natcherly the editor wants to know "where?"
 
Hey,, calm down,..ñice rant, ÀZgl1500. But I ’m not trying to start.yet ANOTHER Windows vs Linux war. It's just that I was in your situation 15 years ago - wanting to stay on the excellent (by MS standards) Win2000 Pro SP3 and searching for ways to avoid upgrading. How could I get off the MS upgrade train? I decided I would have to jump, take a leap of faith.

I had built a small mailserver running RedHat on a Pentium 60 that hadn't been rebooted in over 2 years so I was aware of the stability of Linux.. I decided to just make the leap, go all-out Linux, cold turkey. In over 30 years of fooling with computers it's the best decision I've ever made.

We could argue endlessly. I was just suggesting that like me 15 years àgo, maybe your efforts would be better spent on learning a, simpler, more capable and secure OS. Ànd free.
 
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AZgl1500 said:
Simply because with 25 years experience with the nuances of the Windows OS versions, I don't have to wonder "what the hell?" and "why don't this work?"

I don't have to screw around with a new OS that has a VERTICAL learning curve, and it will not handle the applications that I know and use to maintain my business every day.... I have not changed my Word Macros in 20 years, they always work.... just a few keystrokes and whole paragraphs can appear if that is what I want.

I don't have to "tweek" Win7, I have it stripped to what is needed to make it shine. All of the junk was stripped out of it the 1st time I saw Win7..... it was nothing new to me, just like the previous version, a few new things under the hood, but nothing that changed the way I use the Desktop.... my Desktop has not changed in over 15 years... it don't need do. It works, and it works every day...

I won't bother with repeating the effort it took to make Linux work on my laptop, most of that was because of Microsoft's insistence on "Secure Boot", but once I figured that out, and turned it OFF, Linux installed, and I have now a Web Browser that works just fine. and for me, that is all a Laptop is good for, a Web Browser.... the OS under the hood I could care less about, as long as it works the First time, Every time... and for the laptop I have now, Linux boots faster, and runs Firefox just fine.... and that is all it will ever do for me... run a web browser.

when I want to do something important, it is always on my 24 inch Monitor/Desktop with gobs of RAM and a fast CPU plus I have a Professional, lighted keyboard, with keys that register a keystroke before the key hits the bottom of the stroke...

Laptop keyboards are a POS, I have never, ever, seen or felt a Laptop keyboard that is any damn good. and that includes the military versions that I have used from Panasonic in their toughbook series. I have been thru 5 versions of that laptop.

Linux has its' place, but not in my big desktop.
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Ok, I'll bite ;)
The thing that annoys me most about Windows systems is that the performance degrades over time. Performance initially is very zippy, but give it time, and any computer I've used running Windows, just gets slower and slower. It's weird because it's the only system software I've experienced that actually seems to 'wear out'. I've resurrected machines in the past that were literally unusable under Win, but yet performed fine once I booted a Linux O/S. Same hardware, but less software bloat, and much more efficient use of system resources. You normally have to throw a ton of RAM at Windows to get decent performance. The O/S just seems so greedy on memory.
Now maybe you could argue that it's my own incompetence at letting my Win system get into a bogged down state, but really, should it be the user's responsibility to deal with this? Seems like the more applications you install in the system, the worse it gets.
And the other thing that Win really doesn't do well, and a *nix system was designed from the ground up to do, is user data partitioning. Win historically was designed as a single user O/S. It still hasn't adapted well to a multi-user type of use. This may not be an issue for everyone though.

At the end of the day though it does come down to what you're more familiar, and comfortable with. If you understand Windows deeply, and know how to maintain it, fine. My background is Unix, and that's what I understand best. I still maintain though, that you get more out of the hardware from a Linux system, than Windows.
 
AZgl1500 said:
Simply because with 25 years experience with the nuances of the Windows OS versions, I don't have to wonder "what the hell?" and "why don't this work?"
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Think that's one reason why I prefer to use a Mac these days for my main computing needs....Yeh...."What the hell?" people shouting "bingdu!...bingdu!"...which means "virus" in Mandarin. The school has taken away my Lenovo all-in-one office PC, because I said I just don't want to use it.
 
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'Never10' Tool Stops Accidental Windows 10 Upgrades

Gibson, a security expert, was also quick to note that the utility employs the DigiCert SHA256 security certificate, which is relatively new and, according to Gibson, "currently makes Microsoft nervous." So, upon running the app, users will be required to click "More Info" from the SmartScreen warning and then "Run anyway" to get it up and running.​
 
Honestly, I can't say I've experienced a real "what the hell" moment with Ubuntu. As they say at Apple "it just works". Out of the box. There was no steep learning curve, the installation process was dead easy, my 5 year old could have handled it.

In terms of user-friendliness, Linux has been transformed from my previous experiences with it. Heck, you don't even have to worry about partitioning the disc, as the installer works it out for you, including preservation of existing Windows partitions.
 
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