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Verizon could not lock down Google Maps and require a fee for it...its a Google App...


And USB and WIFI tethering are features built into the phone and OS (regardless of the legal and moral implications).

Just saying that it is another revenue stream (maps and the Navigation app in particular) that they are losing out on. Since they offer a paid feature that replicates that functionality what's to stop them from pushing an update that directs you to subscribe to vznav every time you fire up google maps or navigation?
 
And USB and WIFI tethering are features built into the phone and OS (regardless of the legal and moral implications).

Just saying that it is another revenue stream (maps and the Navigation app in particular) that they are losing out on. Since they offer a paid feature that replicates that functionality what's to stop them from pushing an update that directs you to subscribe to vznav every time you fire up google maps or navigation?

i don't think Google would allow them to toy with their apps like that...
 
No, I SBF'd one time to return to stock from rooted/deodexed GB. That was two days ago, and my experience on stock froyo with all the bloatware was, shall we say, not pleasant. :rolleyes:

Just think for the 90% of people who don't root their phones and stayed on the stock version of Froyo how happy they will be once the Gingerbread release comes out.

I am still waiting for Apex to come out to give it a try, but I have been very happy with my rooted stocked version of GB. Right now the only root things I have done is restored and backed up my apps, changed my boot file, changed my font and have it slightly overclocked (it was flying already) and undervolted oh and created back-ups along the way in case it did not like one of the changes I made. My phone has never been happier. I can't see where Verizon would have an issue with anything I have done.
 
Getting back to the root of this topic..What P3 said wasn't at all suprising to me and the truth is the future of Android going forward will be a locked down ecosystem and the ROM and rooting party will be over. About tethering, I do it on occassion and yea..I'm breaking the TOS..just like I break TOS on tons of software and hardware I own. Is it 'illegal'..on Verizon's network yea..but nobody's going to jail for tethering. The most you can be is charged extra service fees.

I wouldn't care what Verizon tracks...if they want to boot me from the service fine.. I'll try Sprint or AT&T. But what drives the companies is money, highly doubt they will boot customers. Throttle, yes, but not boot. I think that's the 3rd shoe he was talking about. Given the fact all phones will eventually be LTE is there any question why they want to restrict roots.
 
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This was in discussion with Verizon. It was in response to the at&t merger and competition. Its not going to happen. I had this verified thru a friend of mine at Verizon. They can't do anything anyway due to the iPhone ruling anyway. Not to mention the cost to do it would far outway free tethering via rooted phones. This needs to stop. It is EVERYWHERE and there is 0% truth to any of it. All it has done is caused a slight panic and comrades to fight eachother in these forums.
 
oh the sky is falling again? Oh dear...

I appreciate p3 giving what he considers pertinent information out and all the rest of it, i really do. So don't think i'm bitch slapping him at all when i say this... But i've heard this all before. So i'm more than simply not surprised, i'm not in the least bit going to worry about it.

There are many different carriers, oems, and os's out there to choose from. If one or two of them (i kept hearing verizon and moto... Did all of you?) are trying to get more out of us than some of the others, i don't mind switching around to someone who isn't so military minded and gung-ho about this stuff. We aren't that big of a community compared to the vast numbers of smartphone users. So we can't be making that big of an impact.

Should i worry that there might be a light on in a verizon office somewhere that says i'm rooted? Bahahahahaha... Why would i be? What are they going to do, refuse my next monthly payment? Ummmm..... Ok, hello sprint or t-mobile, how are you today? I've already sworn off motorola (unless the targa is for real the next nexus device... Nexus devices are unlocked, so no worries there), i can throw my verizon device through the front door of their nearest store and sign up with someone else without shedding a single tear over losing that relationship.

Trust me on this, i'm way more important to them then they are to me.

P3 said according to his info this isn't just a verizon/moto thing, but a system wide cooberation that's going to close down every phone. Yet htc just released the thunderbolt with a locked bootloader, and a few days later released the keys to that bootloader. You know what that says to me? To me that's like htc saying, "oh sure we could lock you guys out like moto is doing, it's not that they're any better at it than we are. But....... Meh, we don't want to lock you guys out. So here you go, have at it".

I have no issues switching from network to network and from oem to oem until i've found the combination i like the most. Perhaps verizon wants nothing to do with hackers, rooters and romers... Fine. I'm sure someone wants my money. I don't see sprint, or t-mobile trying any of these shenanigans. In fact, i think sprint rather speaks to us in a tone that says, "annoyed with all the restrictions on other carriers? Come to sprint". Like this commercial for instance...

youtube - sprint dictionary

to me that commercial has both hands pointing the middle finger at at&t and verizon. And everyday i get a little closer to jumping on board with them to point my middle finger at them too.

With all that said i do appreciate what p3 is trying to teach us here about responsibility. I realize when i root my phone i've voided my warrantee, and i accept that. And i do get upset with those who are making things worse for the rest of us for doing just that. I just think the carriers could go about it differently. If they recieve a device that's been turned in on insurance and it's been rooted, send it back to them and refuse them a replacement. I will never bad mouth a carrier for doing just that.

Fair is fair.

i couldnt agree more.....
 
If Verizon really does have a list of people that have a rooted device, why wouldn't I want to be on that list? Anyone?

What are they going to do, send us to the principals office? I can remember back in elementary school, all the kids who got sent to the principals office... were the cool kids who didn't give a **** about those pissy rules that all the other sheep followed. Like no chewing gum in class, no passing notes to girls, not cussing, etc...

And the thing about cool kids is, they don't give a frak if they get sent to the principals office. So what? Hell that just proves he's one cool cat if he had to make that walk.

So am I being sent to the principals office now? Aight. Ain't no shame being one of the cool kids. Always have been, and always will be.

These are the kind of people I want to be around when the shit hits the fan. Nice post..
 
Ok so I went back to 2.2.1, but noticed the blue triangle still there at bootup. Works good though. So now I'm wanting to go back to 2.3.. it's fun going back and fourth and all over the place... im learning.
But Vignette still crashes with 2.3 yeah? I just purchased that app, but I want to go back to GB...:confused:
 
I'll take the older unlockable phone thank you very much :D

I'd rather have a phone that's a bit older, but that I can really customize to look the way I want, not to mention delete things that I don't want on there.

me too, but if we can still have root, I'll take the higher end phone over just the unlocked bootloader. this sucks that this is even a discussion. lol.

but if root is blocked in the future, then its definitely an unlockable phone for me.
 
me too, but if we can still have root, I'll take the higher end phone over just the unlocked bootloader. this sucks that this is even a discussion. lol.

but if root is blocked in the future, then its definitely an unlockable phone for me.

I think the point of that article was that it will be clamped down so tight that root will be extremely difficult to achieve if at all.
 
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