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I need to clarify something. Please understand that my opinions and assumptions are just that. They are mine and mine alone. They are not our source's. I've told you guys about 95% of everything told me. The rest of it is concealed to protect source's privacy and to maintain my integrity to follow through with my promise to him/her.

Why am I writing this? I want you to know that most of what I say is from me, so I don't want you guys thinking that I am speaking with any degree of authority on this subject.
 
cereal killer said:
True. Verizon is backed into a corner. I don't know what to make of this right now.

My instincts tell me it's not going to release but I'm hoping Verizon is in too deep that they have to go through with it.

Dang!!!
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CK,

I'm often involved in discussions re: supply chain at work and you/the previous poster are pretty much spot on. I'm sure Verizon is upset right now, but I'm also sure that there are several hundred thousand NP's currently made and being made by the minute. I guarantee they're legally past the point of no return if Nov 3 was a correct date - and it appears that it's true. Predicated on that assumption, backing out would almost certainly require Verizon to buy the phones anyway and then throw them in a burn bag like the CIA, which is obviously not going to happen. Bet your ass that Sammy/Moto/HTC or anyone else does not begin production without contracts in place stipulating they'll be paid for their efforts. Just my 2 cents...
 
Steven58 said:
My source said that had this all happened three months ago, it would have killed the deal. This indicates they are in it too deep to back out. No such thing as a little pregnant, you know. All-or-nothing.
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What worries me Steven is that the event was cancelled. Perhaps Verizon is just posturing but the event being cancelled is not just a ho-hum type of thing. If Verizon was willing to kill that event they may just be willing to go to the wall over this.

Perhaps that's why the event was cancelled. Verizon isn't going to launch it.

Dang Steven I just don't know but in the spirit of things I will stand by your side and support your opinion and trust in this source of yours

signed: uneasy in Los Angeles
 
Steven58 said:
My student's iPhone just updated to the new OS. Pull-down notification menu and everything. Geesh. You don't see Google suing Apple over it.
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yeah google needs to get into patent game already. I don't think google always thinks things all the way thru before they do something
 
Change of subject. Is it too early to start talking about where we should be looking to buy? Is wirefly usually a good place to pre-order? Or should I just go straight to a verizon store? I am buying outright and If i dont have to pay taxes i dont want to.
Also how much do you guys guesstimate the price will be? That one random website that already has it up for pre-order says $750, you think that will be normal across the board pricing?
 
Steven58 said:
I need to clarify something. Please understand that my opinions and assumptions are just that. They are mine and mine alone. They are not our source's. I've told you guys about 95% of everything told me. The rest of it is concealed to protect source's privacy and to maintain my integrity to follow through with my promise to him/her.

Why am I writing this? I want you to know that most of what I say is from me, so I don't want you guys thinking that I am speaking with any degree of authority on this subject.
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Hopefully most of us already knows this.....but fwiw I appreciate all that you and your source have done for the community. If not for you guys our forum would look like the Vigors forum;)
 
BlueBiker said:
There's another way to look at that. It's also suggesting that the breach is serious enough that the companies wouldn't have been willing to figure out a solution 3mo ago. Well if it was serious then, it's still serious now (maybe even more so).

I'd also like to point out the sunk cost fallacy, meaning the huge investment in time and money resources thus far doesn't guarantee a deal will be made if one of the parties thinks they have even more to lose in the future if the deal goes ahead.
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Blue,

I've read a ton of contracts of this nature and while the sunk cost fallacy is, to be frank, how all businesses make decisions, it's unlikely an issue here. Sure, it's possible that Sammy didn't ink a deal that would make backing out too cost prohibitive and all contracts are subject to cancellation by either party, but I think it's highly unlikely in this case. You're essentially doing a C/B analysis and to be frank again, the benefits are UNKNOWN at this time for utilizing the whatchamacallit competitor to G Wallet. The cost, however, is likely very well identified and very exhorbitant...
 
burntorangefan said:
CK,

I'm often involved in discussions re: supply chain at work and you/the previous poster are pretty much spot on. I'm sure Verizon is upset right now, but I'm also sure that there are several hundred thousand NP's currently made and being made by the minute. I guarantee they're legally past the point of no return if Nov 3 was a correct date - and it appears that it's true. Predicated on that assumption, backing out would almost certainly require Verizon to buy the phones anyway and then throw them in a burn bag like the CIA, which is obviously not going to happen. Bet your ass that Sammy/Moto/HTC or anyone else does not begin production without contracts in place stipulating they'll be paid for their efforts. Just my 2 cents...
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Hey man, makes perfect sense to me. Here's to hoping this is the outcome.

One thing is for sure, we will ALL be watching this event in Hong Kong unfold with an uneasy feeling. In the spirit of cliches, ignorance is bliss. Darn the person who sprung this article on us lol

He should have known we are a fragile bunch :)

We go from jumping up and down to throwing noose's around our necks in the span of 45 seconds.
 
Steven58 said:
I need to clarify something. Please understand that myWe opinions and assumptions are just that. They are mine and mine alone. They are not our source's. I've told you guys about 95% of everything told me. The rest of it is concealed to protect source's privacy and to maintain my integrity to follow through with my promise to him/her.

Why am I writing this? I want you to know that most of what I say is from me, so I don't want you guys thinking that I am speaking with any degree of authority on this subject.
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We understand your disclaimer, although I think you should come to terms with the fact that right now you ARE the authority :-)
 
Mannequins said:
Change of subject. Is it too early to start talking about where we should be looking to buy? Is wirefly usually a good place to pre-order? Or should I just go straight to a verizon store? I am buying outright and If i dont have to pay taxes i dont want to.
Also how much do you guys guesstimate the price will be? That one random website that already has it up for pre-order says $750, you think that will be normal across the board pricing?
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I've heard some bad things about Wirefly, haven't bothered to mess with them myself though. Apparently their customer service is kind of...shady. I generally go through the provider directly myself.
 
burntorangefan said:
but I'm also sure that there are several hundred thousand NP's currently made and being made by the minute. I guarantee they're legally past the point of no return if Nov 3 was a correct date - and it appears that it's true. Predicated on that assumption, backing out would almost certainly require Verizon to buy the phones anyway and then throw them in a burn bag like the CIA, which is obviously not going to happen.
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Let's do the math: There are 200,000 NP's in boxes, which VZW could sell on contract for $300 apiece. That's $60,000,000 worth of NP's total. Well maybe VZW thinks their NFC moneymaker thingamabob will bring in several $billion over the next 5-10yrs.

Wouldn't that make it an easy decision to burn them?

They may lose a little bit of new contract signups over the next month or two until the Vigor and more exciting phones hit, but I can't see that being a big factor.
 
Wow, they pushed the date back a week from what your source said Steven. Droid life has been nailing the rumor mill on this phone too.
 
BlueBiker said:
Let's do the math: There are 200,000 NP's in boxes, whichinwuld have to think you need to include new contract signups as VZW could sell on contract for $300 apiece. That's $60,000,000 worth of NP's total. Well maybe VZW thinks their NFC moneymaker thingamabob will bring in several $billion over the next 5-10yrs.

Wouldn't that make it an easy decision to burn them?

They may lose a little bit of new contract signups over the next month or two until the Vigor and more exciting phones hit, but I can't see that being a big factor.
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I have to think you would include monthly plan costs as well as the phone cost in that calculation.
 
AntimonyER said:
Wow, they pushed the date back a week from what your source said Steven. Droid life has been nailing the rumor mill on this phone too.
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I don't know, but she/he did say they were given a week on either side, as well, but that the 11/3 seemed fixed. Perhaps something happened relating to the aforementioned legal wranglings? This is big money monopoly, they're playing, here.
 
cereal killer said:
What worries me Steven is that the event was cancelled. Perhaps Verizon is just posturing but the event being cancelled is not just a ho-hum type of thing. If Verizon was willing to kill that event they may just be willing to go to the wall over this.
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Good question. Brinksmanship can be entertaining to watch. :rolleyes:

Mannequins said:
Change of subject. Is it too early to start talking about where we should be looking to buy? Is wirefly usually a good place to pre-order? Or should I just go straight to a verizon store?
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Amazon Wireless is a good source w/excellent return/replace policies, and their price can be lower than VZW.
 
BlueBiker said:
There's another way to look at that. It's also suggesting that the breach is serious enough that the companies wouldn't have been willing to figure out a solution 3mo ago. Well if it was serious then, it's still serious now (maybe even more so).

I'd also like to point out the sunk cost fallacy, meaning the huge investment in time and money resources thus far doesn't guarantee a deal will be made if one of the parties thinks they have even more to lose in the future if the deal goes ahead.
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Great points here BB. I just read the Wiki. This really can go either way. The bottom line is what Verizon is willing to lose/gain. Not selling the handset is not necessarily a bad decision (on their part)
 
BlueBiker said:
Let's do the math: There are 200,000 NP's in boxes, which VZW could sell on contract for $300 apiece. That's $60,000,000 worth of NP's total. Well maybe VZW thinks their NFC moneymaker thingamabob will bring in several $billion over the next 5-10yrs.

Wouldn't that make it an easy decision to burn them?

They may lose a little bit of new contract signups over the next month or two until the Vigor and more exciting phones hit, but I can't see that being a big factor.
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Blue,

Pointing out here that forecasts are just guesses when faced with a projected , as you put it, $60M loss MINIMUM. There will be other costs associated with cancellation of a contract over and above simply the price of the phones. Look, I'm not trying to be contentious because you're right, there's certainly some level of C/B analysis that would obviously go into any decision here. Having said that, you're talking about a technology that is virtually nonexistent - Google Wallet or NFC - in the United States. Not to say it won't take off, but you never know. The decision, if there's one being made, is ACTUAL costs vs PROJECTED gains. Future, forecasted gains...Just sayin...
 
AntimonyER said:
I have been thinking and I think that Steven has to be right, no way this phone gets killed. Even if Verizon has a problem because they have signed and agreement with Isis, Samsung, Google, and Motorola are much more important to Verizon than isis. Look at the Bing agreement. It made no sense and as far as I can tell bing does not play a large part in Verizon's android offerings anymore
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Per an LG rep, Bing killed their first 4G device for Verizon. They were forced to use it. LG is not the best of pals with VZW, due to this. MS wants Bing on a certain percent of devices, as per the MILLIONS they gave VZW to do so.
 
BlueBiker said:
Let's do the math: There are 200,000 NP's in boxes, which VZW could sell on contract for $300 apiece. That's $60,000,000 worth of NP's total. Well maybe VZW thinks their NFC moneymaker thingamabob will bring in several $billion over the next 5-10yrs.

Wouldn't that make it an easy decision to burn them?

They may lose a little bit of new contract signups over the next month or two until the Vigor and more exciting phones hit, but I can't see that being a big factor.
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This is on point right here...
 
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