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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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nbajam said:
BMX suggested in the chat of the AC Podcast that the GSM version will come to other GSM carriers in the US in around 3 months.

The LTE version is VZW-only because it's made with VZW's LTE frequencies.
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So around Jan or feb that still longtime to wait for ics. I wonder if cm 9 will come out by then
 
cereal killer said:
Thors Hammer was "locked" into that stone. Nobody could remove it. It held too much power for just anyone. They had to be worthy
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... You mean like Excalibur? (I haven't seen Thor, in case it's not clear :p)

To those that were following it, did BMX say anything else of interest in the podcast chat?
 
iowabowtech said:
I agree with various sentiment that the Razr will likely sell better than the Nexus although I don't know that it'll be by leaps and bounds, even with all the ad money behind it.

That said, I can't fine one single reason for buying a Razr. Not bashing, I just can't come up with anything when I look at the specs vs Nexus. And I don't think it's a niche device either. First phone to have ICS with better hardware specs than it's supposed rival is a niche? That's just not correct.
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You're not thinking like the average consumer iowa. Dual core is Dual core is Dual Core is Dual Core. Most of the people buying these phones don't even know what that means.

Secondly mention ICS, Gingerbread or Froyo to them and their eyes will glaze over. They will not have a clue what the heck you are talking about.

Lastly, put a Nexus device next to an HTC device running Sense in front of the average consumer and watch which one they are more likely to choose.

We get it but most people have no clue what the heck bloat is let alone a SAMOLED + or Pentile LCD.

They are clueless (not stupid, they just don't know or really care)

Manufacturer UI's are what people want. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If that were not the case there would be more Vanilla devices out there. UI's add functionality and flair. People like the bells and whistles. All those bells and whistles are BLOAT to us but to your average consumer they are cool. Most people don't give two poops about Blockbuster or City ID being on their phone. They just don't care because to them if they don't use it it's just sitting there. Big deal.

We obsess and complain about things that your average consumer doesn't even think about. They are perfectly happy. It's just a phone to them. They like them with all the bloat and all.

The Nexus handsets are VERY popular among enthusiast (such as you and others) and not so much mainstream right now. Like I said before it doesn't make it any less than or more than any other handset. It is what it is.
 
cereal killer said:
You're not thinking like the average consumer iowa. Dual core is Dual core is Dual Core is Dual Core. Most of the people buying these phones don't even know what that means.

Secondly mention ICS, Gingerbread or Froyo to them and their eyes will glaze over. They will not have a clue what the heck you are talking about.

Lastly, put a Nexus device next to an HTC device running Sense in front of the average consumer and watch which one they are more likely to choose.

We get it but most people have no clue what the heck bloat is let alone a SAMOLED + or Pentile LCD.

They are clueless (not stupid, they just don't know or really care)

Manufacturer UI's are what people want. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If that were not the case there would be more Vanilla devices out there. UI's add functionality and flair. People like the bells and whistles. All those bells and whistles are BLOAT to us but to your average consumer they are cool. Most people don't give two poops about Blockbuster or City ID being on their phone. They just don't care because to them if they don't use it it's just sitting there. Big deal.

We obsess and complain about things that your average consumer doesn't even think about. They are perfectly happy. It's just a phone to them. They like them with all the bloat and all.

The Nexus handsets are VERY popular among enthusiast (such as you and others) and not so much mainstream right now. Like I said before it doesn't make it any less than or more than any other handset. It is what it is.
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I forgot there are a ton of vanilla devices for people to choose from on verizon. Oh that's right there aren't. Kind of hard for a person to buy a phone not available on their carrier.
 
The_Chief said:
If Verizon puts a Nexus alongside RAZR in the store, with equivalent pricing and specs displayed, I can guarantee you that many non-techies will be swayed away from the "heavily marketed" phone in favor of the "better" one.
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You may be right about sales, but definitely not for that reason. When Joe Blow walks into a Verizon Store, the specs on Verizon paper will be practically the same. Verizon won't put 4460 vs 4430 on the card--it'll just say 1.2 GHz dual core. The screen res will or won't be an issue depending on how they both look. Lack of SD Card or removable battery may be a bigger in store factor than you think. And will the average schmoe know about ICS? Or will thye like the slick look of the Moto widgets?

I just don't think it will be that simple. Too bad Big Red doesn't advertise sales models by number like Apple does. Really no way to know which one did do better.
 
pm1066 said:
You may be right about sales, but definitely not for that reason. When Joe Blow walks into a Verizon Store, the specs on Verizon paper will be practically the same. Verizon won't put 4460 vs 4430 on the card--it'll just say 1.2 GHz dual core. The screen res will or won't be an issue depending on how they both look. Lack of SD Card or removable battery may be a bigger in store factor than you think. And will the average schmoe know about ICS? Or will thye like the slick look of the Moto widgets?

I just don't think it will be that simple. Too bad Big Red doesn't advertise sales models by number like Apple does. Really no way to know which one did do better.
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I think some would choose the nexus over the razr simply for the larger screen.
 
cereal killer said:
You're not thinking like the average consumer iowa. Dual core is Dual core is Dual Core is Dual Core. Most of the people buying these phones don't even know what that means.

Secondly mention ICS, Gingerbread or Froyo to them and their eyes will glaze over. They will not have a clue what the heck you are talking about.

Lastly, put a Nexus device next to an HTC device running Sense in front of the average consumer and watch which one they are more likely to choose.

We get it but most people have no clue what the heck bloat is let alone a SAMOLED + or Pentile LCD.

They are clueless (not stupid, they just don't know or really care)

Manufacturer UI's are what people want. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If that were not the case there would be more Vanilla devices out there. UI's add functionality and flair. People like the bells and whistles. All those bells and whistles are BLOAT to us but to your average consumer they are cool. Most people don't give two poops about Blockbuster or City ID being on their phone. They just don't care because to them if they don't use it it's just sitting there. Big deal.

We obsess and complain about things that your average consumer doesn't even think about. They are perfectly happy. It's just a phone to them. They like them with all the bloat and all.

The Nexus handsets are VERY popular among enthusiast (such as you and others) and not so much mainstream right now. Like I said before it doesn't make it any less than or more than any other handset. It is what it is.
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I completely agree on most points. The typical consumer doesn't obsess over specs like we do. They'd rather have pizzaz. Explains the legions of people dedicated to Apple products. Almost no Apple product has the latest specs or the best hardware, but they make up for that with flashy looks and charge a hefty premium for it.

However, I do think the GNex has the capability to be mega huge hit with consumers. First off, the clueless customer doesn't care that it's a Nexus. They have no idea about the vanilla experience. Don't know, don't care...so they won't shy away from that. Secondly, the 4.65" HD screen will woo many potential buyers, just for that alone. I know several friends who went DX just because the screen was bigger. And lastly, it will be available on Verizon, the US's largest network. That alone guarantees some pretty hefty sales.
 
cereal killer said:
You're not thinking like the average consumer iowa. Dual core is Dual core is Dual Core is Dual Core. Most of the people buying these phones don't even know what that means.

Secondly mention ICS, Gingerbread or Froyo to them and their eyes will glaze over. They will not have a clue what the heck you are talking about.

Lastly, put a Nexus device next to an HTC device running Sense in front of the average consumer and watch which one they are more likely to choose.

We get it but most people have no clue what the heck bloat is let alone a SAMOLED + or Pentile LCD.

They are clueless (not stupid, they just don't know or really care)

Manufacturer UI's are what people want. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If that were not the case there would be more Vanilla devices out there. UI's add functionality and flair. People like the bells and whistles. All those bells and whistles are BLOAT to us but to your average consumer they are cool. Most people don't give two poops about Blockbuster or City ID being on their phone. They just don't care because to them if they don't use it it's just sitting there. Big deal.

We obsess and complain about things that your average consumer doesn't even think about. They are perfectly happy. It's just a phone to them. They like them with all the bloat and all.

The Nexus handsets are VERY popular among enthusiast (such as you and others) and not so much mainstream right now. Like I said before it doesn't make it any less than or more than any other handset. It is what it is.
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Dammit it CK, must you make such valid points. Lol. I do have to agree, again. (I'm not sure I am comfortable agreeing with you twice in one night) ;)
I will even say that prior to 2 or 3 months ago I was on the other side of the fence and really didn't know the differences in a lot of these things either.
 
pm1066 said:
You may be right about sales, but definitely not for that reason. When Joe Blow walks into a Verizon Store, the specs on Verizon paper will be practically the same. Verizon won't put 4460 vs 4430 on the card--it'll just say 1.2 GHz dual core. The screen res will or won't be an issue depending on how they both look. Lack of SD Card or removable battery may be a bigger in store factor than you think. And will the average schmoe know about ICS? Or will thye like the slick look of the Moto widgets?

I just don't think it will be that simple. Too bad Big Red doesn't advertise sales models by number like Apple does. Really no way to know which one did do better.
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If you put these two phones next to another. The average joe will buy the smaller phone.
 
There's one thing here that those who believe "OEM skin > vanilla" is missing - ICS's UI is nothing like the vanilla of the past. Someone here posted a 9 min video. If you haven't seen it yet, watch it. The UI is outstanding. I'm actually going to run it without a custom launcher, MMS, or browser for the first few weeks. You CAN still customize, but I might not WANT to. It looks THAT good!

RECENSIONE GALAXY NEXUS - YouTube
 
Medion said:
There's one thing here that those who believe "OEM skin > vanilla" is missing - ICS's UI is nothing like the vanilla of the past. Someone here posted a 9 min video. If you haven't seen it yet, watch it. The UI is outstanding. I'm actually going to run it without a custom launcher, MMS, or browser for the first few weeks. You CAN still customize, but I might not WANT to. It looks THAT good!

RECENSIONE GALAXY NEXUS - YouTube
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The only thing I'm about 95% sure I'll put custom on is go sms. I can't stand all this white screen crap. (the Phandroid app being one of the worst) too bright for me.
 
cereal killer said:
You're not thinking like the average consumer iowa. Dual core is Dual core is Dual Core is Dual Core. Most of the people buying these phones don't even know what that means.

Secondly mention ICS, Gingerbread or Froyo to them and their eyes will glaze over. They will not have a clue what the heck you are talking about.

Lastly, put a Nexus device next to an HTC device running Sense in front of the average consumer and watch which one they are more likely to choose.

We get it but most people have no clue what the heck bloat is let alone a SAMOLED + or Pentile LCD.

They are clueless (not stupid, they just don't know or really care)

Manufacturer UI's are what people want. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If that were not the case there would be more Vanilla devices out there. UI's add functionality and flair. People like the bells and whistles. All those bells and whistles are BLOAT to us but to your average consumer they are cool. Most people don't give two poops about Blockbuster or City ID being on their phone. They just don't care because to them if they don't use it it's just sitting there. Big deal.

We obsess and complain about things that your average consumer doesn't even think about. They are perfectly happy. It's just a phone to them. They like them with all the bloat and all.

The Nexus handsets are VERY popular among enthusiast (such as you and others) and not so much mainstream right now. Like I said before it doesn't make it any less than or more than any other handset. It is what it is.
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One thing the Nexus does have that could be in it's favor is that big, bright HD screen. I'd bet if you ask your average phone buyer the number one feature that attracts them to a phone is the screen. I also think that Google is on the right track for the mainstream with their improvements to the UI. You are absolutely right that users want all those neat gizmos on their phones. The sooner Google gets them integrated into the OS and stops the OEMs from each making their own competing UIs the better. Once it's all in the OS the fragmentation issues of Android will mostly go away and we'll finally have a unified Android platform to compete with the other OSes out there (ie. that fruity OS).
 
I think the UI of stock ICS looks pretty nice and attractive by itself. So I can see that even some average Joes will like it over the others with manufacturer skin UIs. Probably Google had that in mind with ICS, appealing to both geeks and clueless Joe. Also 4.6" HD SAMOLED alone will draw some folks too.
 
darkestred said:
If you put these two phones next to another. The average joe will buy the smaller phone.
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I disagree. I think it would be the exact opposite. Most average customers will buy the bigger phone/screen. It what consumers are trained to do by all the marketing. Just look at how many people are driving to work (alone) in their big SUVs.
 
Has this already been posted? I did not see it. It looks to me like this is a possibility for the SGN. Especially considering the how the glass is curved, and Google said they were going with another fortified glass that was not Gorilla.

Also, sorry but I don't know how you guys make the links look so cool and not look like I did it.

Move over Gorilla Glass, Lotus Glass is Corning’s new pride and joy | Android and Me

***Okay, I had to search a lot further in the thread and found it was already posted. My mistake. Too bad I can't delete after I posted.
 
cereal killer said:
You're not thinking like the average consumer iowa. Dual core is Dual core is Dual Core is Dual Core. Most of the people buying these phones don't even know what that means.

Secondly mention ICS, Gingerbread or Froyo to them and their eyes will glaze over. They will not have a clue what the heck you are talking about.

Lastly, put a Nexus device next to an HTC device running Sense in front of the average consumer and watch which one they are more likely to choose.

We get it but most people have no clue what the heck bloat is let alone a SAMOLED + or Pentile LCD.

They are clueless (not stupid, they just don't know or really care)

Manufacturer UI's are what people want. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If that were not the case there would be more Vanilla devices out there. UI's add functionality and flair. People like the bells and whistles. All those bells and whistles are BLOAT to us but to your average consumer they are cool. Most people don't give two poops about Blockbuster or City ID being on their phone. They just don't care because to them if they don't use it it's just sitting there. Big deal.

We obsess and complain about things that your average consumer doesn't even think about. They are perfectly happy. It's just a phone to them. They like them with all the bloat and all.

The Nexus handsets are VERY popular among enthusiast (such as you and others) and not so much mainstream right now. Like I said before it doesn't make it any less than or more than any other handset. It is what it is.
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Agree on the dual core, especially since the stat placard probably won't distinguish between them.

However, I do feel consumers outside this forum know about the firmware updates. How many basic iPhone users know the difference between iOS5 and prior? I'd argue a lot, and with the drastic changes that ICS brings, I think Sam/Googles marketing will capitalize on that.

Comparing vanilla to mfg UI's, yeah, you may have had a point with Gingerbread, but did you even watch the press conference unveiling ICS? It isn't bland without snappy widgets anymore. It definitely adds more flare, and even draws some aesthetics from Windows mobile, which is one of the strong points of that OS. I was a huge Sense fan, and even after rooting my Incredible I looked for a custom ROM that could mimic that, but ultimately stuck with the stock. However, after viewing 'vanilla' ICS, I think it looks fantastic.

And your argument about if consumers wanted vanilla then mfgs would use it is completely unfounded and flat out wrong at worst. Manufactuers add their own UI to distinguish and put their own brand on the device. Do you REALLY think people enjoyed MotoBLUR? Seriously? Or TouchWiz? The only UI most people seemed to enjoy was Sense, but even that had the tendency to bog down the device.

That argument is like trying to say that Verizon puts CityID, VZWNAV, and their other bloat on the device because the consumers want it.
 
cereal killer said:
You're not thinking like the average consumer iowa. Dual core is Dual core is Dual Core is Dual Core. Most of the people buying these phones don't even know what that means.

Secondly mention ICS, Gingerbread or Froyo to them and their eyes will glaze over. They will not have a clue what the heck you are talking about.

Lastly, put a Nexus device next to an HTC device running Sense in front of the average consumer and watch which one they are more likely to choose.

We get it but most people have no clue what the heck bloat is let alone a SAMOLED + or Pentile LCD.

They are clueless (not stupid, they just don't know or really care)

Manufacturer UI's are what people want. Whether you choose to believe it or not. If that were not the case there would be more Vanilla devices out there. UI's add functionality and flair. People like the bells and whistles. All those bells and whistles are BLOAT to us but to your average consumer they are cool. Most people don't give two poops about Blockbuster or City ID being on their phone. They just don't care because to them if they don't use it it's just sitting there. Big deal.

We obsess and complain about things that your average consumer doesn't even think about. They are perfectly happy. It's just a phone to them. They like them with all the bloat and all.

The Nexus handsets are VERY popular among enthusiast (such as you and others) and not so much mainstream right now. Like I said before it doesn't make it any less than or more than any other handset. It is what it is.
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Agree with your premise, but that's my exact thoughts as to why the Nexus would be more preferred by the average consumer. I think when people see ICS, they'll love it because its full of bells and whistles in its raw form. I think it outdoes sense or blur. And the term "Vanilla" isn't really what it used to be. Agree it may have been boring to people before but this is no longer Android as average Joe users have come to know. So if its mostly about the OS bling factor, will blur or sense outshine ICS? I'm thinking not, even to everyday Android folk. But time will tell.
 
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