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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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while i'am looking forward to an announcement or release this week, the way every employee i spoke to at the BB, radioshack and verizon store looked when i asked about the GNEX worries me. its almost like they were scared for their life. even my wife made the comment to one of the vz reps "what is this the holy grail?" at which point the rep looked at his manager and then proceeded to change the subject.

i've said befofe and i'll say it again, VZ throw us a freak'n bone!
 
here's an email i sent to the director of public relations at verizon. feel free to read it and give some feedback.

Greetings,

My name is Cameron ______, and I have been a loyal costumer at Verizon Wireless for the past two years. Recently, my two-year contract expired, and I have been hoping to upgrade to a 4g smart-phone from my outdated LG Env-Touch. On the twenty-sixth of October it was announced that Google
 
The phone I saw received an OTA update IMMEDIATELY after turning it on for the first time. I found that interesting...owners probably don't even know they got it because it was prior to activation.

The phone checks for updates at every boot, but it doesn't necessarily download anything. Mine hasn't changed since initial boot...and I checked the version before leaving the store.
 
Care to explain? The internet doesn't let me see if your being sarcastic or not.. lol

I think he was just happy that Dallas got a taste of their own medicine with that timeout.

Sidenote, I didn't realize until a few days after I chose this username that Teddy Roosevelt was a New York man! I live in Ohio now (lived in Iowa too), but I lived the first five years of my life in Brooklyn, and I visit NYC almost every year when I can. I love New York :)

I had to get that out there for all you Jerseyites :p
 
Thanks for the clarification. And I sometimes forget to properly reference the difference between the term "unlocked". I was referencing the unlocked as in tied to no specific carrier.

Just because that was what I was thinking when I posted doesn't make it clear in text though. ;)
 
If they said "by the end of the year," and the end of the year hasn't come yet, then how can you expect them to apologize? I want the phone as bad as anyone, but you guys are starting to make zero sense.

yeah, i caught that contradiction when i was proof-reading it. I guess u cant consider it a delay if it is still before the "end of the year". oh well.
 
I am beginning to get more curious about the possibility of software issues. Since there are a few LTE units now "in the wild", it has been confirmed that the Verizon LTE version is using a Samsung build of ICS and not the stock Google version found on the unlocked GSM versions.

That may be only so the two known apps (My Verizon and Backup Assistant) could be integrated and no big deal. The source for that is the XDA developers forum.

They are trying to determine if reflashing the LTE version to the pure vanilla Google build (to allow for direct updates from Google) is 100% compatible with the LTE hardware. Not that it makes any big diference at this point.

But it might explain how the LTE version could be suffering from issues the unlocked GSM versions are not. I thought the addition of the 2 VZW apps to not be a big deal for me personally. If however, there are other items that are going to make getting updates indirectly impossible, that would be a real bummer.

Being the first to get ICS updates was a major factor in wanting the GN so badly. Hopefully, they'll get it sorted though.
The original rom for the GSM model was released by Google. This is in case you tinker and want to go back to the original load-out from the factory. That we know. Good? Good. Google didn't officially state this but they did quietly come forward (a couple of blogs noted it, i think the verge was one) that when Verizon officially Officially release the LTE nexus they will release the original shipping rom for that model. ALSO of note i believe this is why the LTE models are not yet updated, because Google is going to do that, 'in 20 minutes push of a new OTA update' on the day Verizon officially release the phone. That would make sense why the gsm model is more up to date than the LTE and the people who scored an LTE model haven't yet got the update 'in 20 min of activation' that was in the guides the VZW stores received.
 
Oooh, is this true? I would be so happy! (except international data costs are ultra-expensive, but at least I'll have the option, right?)

My Touch Pro2 was a world phone, and I think the iPhone is too, maybe? Are there any other world phones on Verizon?

Sorry, I should have been more clear. No it's not (AFAIK). I can only assume he was looking at the international GSM version... Again, sorry!
 
Oooh, is this true? I would be so happy! (except international data costs are ultra-expensive, but at least I'll have the option, right?)

My Touch Pro2 was a world phone, and I think the iPhone is too, maybe? Are there any other world phones on Verizon?

The iPhone 4s has CDMA and GSM radios, making it a "world phone."

The LTE Nexus does not have GSM capability so far as I know.
 
On a positive note, this applies for those waiting for a subsidized GNex on Sprint, att, and t-mobile:
I have a hypothesis. Google sorta kinda doesn't care about how long Verizon stalls because Verizon technically is the customer to Samsung/Google. They have already purchased the phones. The same way, if you remember recently that sprint had to put up a TON of money to purchase the iPhone 4S. (They were the customer to Apple in that example)
I think Verizon got an exclusive period and they are only hurting themselves because (and this may never really be proven) the clock started at the end of October or whenever. Google/Samsung basically said they could do what they want but the other carriers would get the phone at XYZ time.
Therefore my hypothesis basically is this doesn't push back the subsidized versions for the other carriers, Verizon is just making their window of exclusivity smaller.
 
That's about right, but it's noticeable below 60% as well, if you're picky.


Yeah. The banding is visible to some degree at all brightness levels and the grayscale/color temp varies continuously throughout the scale. Each will have to decide for themselves, unfortunately. If you are hyper sensitive to image quality, I'd strongly suggest you test drive a demo before commiting.
 
If they said "by the end of the year," and the end of the year hasn't come yet, then how can you expect them to apologize? I want the phone as bad as anyone, but you guys are starting to make zero sense.

I think the point that he's making is not that the phone hasn't come out yet, but that there's been a complete lack of any updates or information from Verizon since the initial launch. This point is made more sore by the fact that Verizon asked us all to sign up for updates about the phone, and it hasn't sent any news out. In fact, they're going so far as to threaten their employees and resellers from even confirming the phone's in-store inventory.

Verizon can still release the phone on Dec 31 and have kept the letter of their word, but as a customer waiting for information to decide on a two year contract, they have to know that this complete lack of information is frustrating.

My two cents, and thanks for listening... :-)
 
I think the point that he's making is not that the phone hasn't come out yet, but that there's been a complete lack of any updates or information from Verizon since the initial launch. This point is made more sore by the fact that Verizon asked us all to sign up for updates about the phone, and it hasn't sent any news out. In fact, they're going so far as to threaten their employees and resellers from even confirming the phone's in-store inventory.

Verizon can still release the phone on Dec 31 and have kept the letter of their word, but as a customer waiting for information to decide on a two year contract, they have to know that this complete lack of information is frustrating.

My two cents, and thanks for listening... :-)

So what you are looking for is for them to come out and say "We are still on track to make our previously announced launch window. Thank you."
 
Yeah. The banding is visible to some degree at all brightness levels and the grayscale/color temp varies continuously throughout the scale. Each will have to decide for themselves, unfortunately. If you are hyper sensitive to image quality, I'd strongly suggest you test drive a demo before commiting.

I went through 3 Galaxy SII devices because the banding/blotches were really noticeable, even in pictures as well.

It pretty much looked like a dark gray line was going down the right of the screen.


Edit: I'm not too picky, but that experience was just absolutely terrible, and that was 5 months ago. Go-Phones suck.
 
The original rom for the GSM model was released by Google. This is in case you tinker and want to go back to the original load-out from the factory. That we know. Good? Good. Google didn't officially state this but they did quietly come forward (a couple of blogs noted it, i think the verge was one) that when Verizon officially Officially release the LTE nexus they will release the original shipping rom for that model. ALSO of note i believe this is why the LTE models are not yet updated, because Google is going to do that, 'in 20 minutes push of a new OTA update' on the day Verizon officially release the phone. That would make sense why the gsm model is more up to date than the LTE and the people who scored an LTE model haven't yet got the update 'in 20 min of activation' that was in the guides the VZW stores received.

Expanding on your post a bit:

Updates will come from Google, and then they will be tested by Verizon. Google will then release the update to the handsets. Samsung is not involved in the equation. In most cases, the Verizon "testing" process only takes a week or two at tops, and they are only looking to see that the update doesn't break network functionality.

This is not any different than any other subsidized Nexus device ever made. When you bought the T-Mobile subsidized Nexus One, T-Mobile played a part in testing updates, and you can find lines of code by T-Mobile in the source code. When you buy the subsided Nexus S on AT&T, same thing applies: Google sends the update to AT&T for testing network functionality, and after a period of testing by them, Google sends out the update. If you look at the coding of the ATT Nexus S, you will see network optimization code from AT&T. Verizon will play a similar role here.

And I'll say this just in case, in the future, anyone decides to freak out: If the GSM model receives an update and the LTE version does not, there is no need to be concerned. One model might need an update that the other does not, at some point in time. For example, the Sprint Nexus S 4G is on 2.3.7 right now, while the rest of the GSM models are on 2.3.6. The GSM models simply did not need the 2.3.7 update.

For further evidence that the LTE version will get updates direct from Google, look up the Google Groups discussion with JBQ, a software engineer who works on the AOSP. He stated that the GSM model's codename is Maguro, and the LTE verison is Toro. After some further explanation of the different device builds, he goes on to say that Google will "probably" support Toro in the AOSP branch as well, and the reason it is not there right now is because the device has not been released yet. Now, you can take that to mean different things, but he is known to give good, credible information, worded in a way that won't get himself or anyone else into any trouble. So, if he is correct, which I believe he is, we will see three branches of the Galaxy Nexus platform: TUNA, which is the main branch that has all of the code that is similar to both devices, MAGURO, the GSM version, and TORO the LTE version. The latter two will be sub-branches under TUNA (this is how it is now actually, Maguro is a sub-branch of code under Tuna, and we are just waiting for the LTE version to be released before the Toro sub-branch is added)

One more thing to factor in: Look at all of the screenshots so far of the LTE version's build numbers. It is EXACTLY the same right now as the GSM model (ITL41D). This bodes well for anyone concerned that the firmware isn't being written by Google.

BTW, that XDA article reads more like a hit piece, with all sorts of sensationalized nonsense. I call hogwash on it.
 
I think the point that he's making is not that the phone hasn't come out yet, but that there's been a complete lack of any updates or information from Verizon since the initial launch. This point is made more sore by the fact that Verizon asked us all to sign up for updates about the phone, and it hasn't sent any news out. In fact, they're going so far as to threaten their employees and resellers from even confirming the phone's in-store inventory.

Verizon can still release the phone on Dec 31 and have kept the letter of their word, but as a customer waiting for information to decide on a two year contract, they have to know that this complete lack of information is frustrating.

My two cents, and thanks for listening... :-)

Well said...

To further that, people actually own the phone so the initial argument is not valid. There was to be a launch or stores wouldn't have sold it. Plain and simple.
 
For you third shifters, enjoy: :)
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