Root MikG 3.1 Hot Reboots - My Problem/Findings - Your Thoughts??

[scudder]

I'm posting this as a new thread instead of the MikG 3.1 ROM thread because although obviously related to the ROM I thought it best to have this issue "out in the open" as apparently I am not the only one suffering from this issue.

That being said, here are the problems that I have been having and the results of some of my own troubleshooting. I wanted to get opinions as to what might be the current problem and suggestions going forward...

For those of you having reboot issues there has been some extensive discussion and suggestions over at theMikMik forums and these particular threads:

Random Hot Reboots

[GUIDE] - How to fix Random Hot Reboot Issues

To quickly recap, some people have suffered from random "hot reboots"...not a full shutdown and reboot but sorta like a "wake from sleep" type of reboot, faster than a "restart."

With regard to my issue, I wanted to try and determine the specific cause(s) of my problem: bad data on card, bad card, something else??

First let me say that I KNOW that (1) I wiped properly (following the various fantastic guides and info in this and other forums) and (2) I did NOT have a bad ROM/zip.

So here is what I did. At FIRST I flashed the ROM and then started reinstalling apps from Titanium...apps AND DATA. My reboots started. Installed way too many things/variable to determine where my problem was. The suggestion was to NOT install any DATA but just the app. I did that but then tried to ONLY restore settings/data from within the app itself. For example, my ChompSMS text messaging app has a backup feature within the app, Minimalistic Text allows you to save the settings of the widgets you create, etc. I STILL had reboots.

I then reformatted my card and put the data back, hoping that the data was ok but reformatting might help. Still had reboots.

I then decided to go really REALLY slow at the suggestion of someone at theMikMik forums and JUST INSTALL 3.1 and NOTHING ELSE, let it sit for a while and see if THAT ALONE was stable. I used the phone in that state for almost a FULL DAY...NO PROBLEMS. Made a nand and now I have a "base" to return to.

Then I incrementally installed ONE APP AT A TIME from the Market....fresh clean, NOT from Titanium backups. I started with Titanium Backup Pro as my first Market app, my thinking that that app was one of the most dependent on the SD card, reading from and writing to with the backups and what not. Left that one for many hours. NO PROBLEMS so, interestingly (to me) didn't seem that Titanium Backup was a possible cause for my reboots.

Next I installed Quick Settings (notification menu add-on to control sync, brightness, wifi, etc). Tried for few hours. NO problems there.

I then installed QuickPic (gallery alternative). Launched the app and I noticed it was kinda sorta taking a little bit longer time to generate thumbnails for the pictures on my card. Launched the regular gallery, came back to QuickPic and seemed to be ok. HOWEVER, WITHIN A FEW MINUTES after the thumbs propagated, GOT A REBOOT!!

So, went back to my nand and restored. Everything fine. Reinstalled Titanium, Quick Settings and a new app to test "Task List Pro" (to do list). THAT was FINE. Then installed ChompSMS (messaging app) and THAT CAUSED PROBLEMS...reboots again.

So, does NOT seem to be one specific app causing a problem. Was interesting that QuickPic, in scanning and reading FROM THE CARD had a problem once thumbs were generated. With ChompSMS, I'm not sure about the access to the card but that caused a reboot as well. With that one, I think I restored some settings from within the app (not using titanium).

Either way, MY CONCLUSION, is that accessing and reading data on the card or using data on the card is causing the reboots. It is NOT ALL DATA...the Task List Pro to do list I had backed up caused NO PROBLEM...but QuickPic thumbnail generation and ChompSMS did cause problems.

So what to do now?? I'm thinking the card itself might be OK but the data banged up....anyone agree?? I'm thinking of reformatting and then NOT PUTTING ANY DATA BACK ON THE CARD. Good thought?? The problem with that, however, is that I really REALLY want to have access to my Titanium Backup backups/archive. I have stuff on there that isn't available in the Market or otherwise. I was thinking of reformatting the card and then putting ONLY my nand backup files and Titanium on there and see what's up.

I received one response so far at theMikMik forums suggesting that because it was MORE THAN ONE APP causing a problem with the reboots that is THE PHYSICAL CARD rather than the data. Anyone here in agreement with that assessment?? Any thoughts about where to go from here??

I'm going to reformat the card and NOT put any data back on it except my nandroid folder and Titanium's files to further test a data/physical card issue. I'm almost hoping it is THE CARD because then I can get a new card, reformat, transfer data and be up and running....THEORETICALLY!!

THANKS FOR ANY THOUGHTS/INPUT!!

 

[dustwun77]

What class SD card again?

Under settings tweaks miscellaneous SD card read ahead. Have it on 512 as suggested various places?

Stock kernel? Setcpu?

 

[scudder]

What class SD card again?

Under settings tweaks miscellaneous SD card read ahead. Have it on 512 as suggested various places?

Stock kernel? Setcpu?

Hey dust...sorry, sorry, sorry...got so busy filling in all I've done that I didn't give the setup/info:

-16GB Patriot Class 10 card
-Read ahead as you suggested I also saw should be set to 512 even though that was related to some HD video issues however I have NOT TOUCHED the settings in the MikTweaks so I ASSumed it was default 512
-Stock Kernal from MikG 3.1
-No SetCPU installed

At the moment I'm reformatting the card to get ready to put NO DATA back (except for my nandroid folder and Titanium backups). I know, I know, I know that it could very well be Titanium and the data in there causing problems but as I might have mentioned I would REALLLLLY rather not lose some stuff in there. So I'm gonna play with a weeee little bit of fire....just a spark. Nothing really to lose now...

So, now that you have my setup/info, any other suggestions that that which I'm doing?? Once before my phone "just did not like the stock kernal" for lack of a better description back with MikG 2.56. Was wondering if a suggestion might be to just flash Anthrax or Lionsomethingsomething and setup setCPU within acceptable/stable limits??

I'm UP FOR ANYTHING!! THANKS!!

 

[NaterTots]

Scudder, I may be way off but I'm just trying to help.
After you've set stuff back up and it reboots does it continually do it like every hour or something? It's not the reboot that goes with app being moved to the SD via A2sd?

 

[antonio8]

just want to add I am having the same issue since installing 3.1. i can't believe there are that many bad sd cards all of a sudden.

i want to make sure i am clear about reboot. my phone goes to the white screen that says htc the reboots to the home screen. is that what reboot is?

the weird thing is i can press the back button and it goes to the call list and back to the app or screen i was on. i have to hit the home button and this is when it reboots.

i get this problem at least 15 times a day. i am not exagu(spelling) kidding. i also get alot of phones calles dropped. a screen comes up and says "call dismissed" (that makes me feel like the people with at&t.)

i have been so frustrated that i went to my buddies pawn shop and got a samsung focus to play around on. can't call but use it with wifi to find apps and other things. i have really been comptiplating switching to windows 8 when it comes out.

i just got a new job and i can't have these problems. i get at least 20 calls a day (i love the call log app) and can't have these issues.

i know i can unroot but what fun would that be.

 

[scudder]

Hey everyone who has read or tried to help. Bit of a lonnnnng day (not even considering my phone issues) and just wanted to post an update about my situation...

Hi Guys....

Tried two more things during the day, the last of which, I think, kinda sealed the deal with regard to the fact that I most likely have a bad card. I don't know how or why it would all-of-a-sudden be bad but I don't know...

First I reformatted the card and put my nandroid backup folder, Titanium Backup Pro folder and the files I needed to flash on the card. Wiped and flashed and soon after installing just a few apps from the Market, the reboots came back. Then I reformatted again putting on the card ONLY the nandroid backups and the MikG 3.1 zip to flash. Wiped, flashed, installed a few apps again and...there they were...the reboots.

So, though a pain in the ass to have to wait for a new card, (1) it's not like I haven't wiped and flashed about 10 times in the past few days and (2) HOPEFULLY this means my data is intact

Will let you all know if a new card did the trick...sure hope so...

 

[scudder]

just want to add I am having the same issue since installing 3.1. i can't believe there are that many bad sd cards all of a sudden.

you know antonio, your comment above got me wondering. Is rather odd that like you said, all of a sudden, 3.1X comes out and a bunch of people have bad cards...cards that were seemingly fine before the 3.1X flash and only after upgrading the ROM do the problems (presumably, if the card(s) is indeed bad, existed all along) come out??

Is rather odd but I was looking for a new card with a bit more space so we'll see if this is the fix...

i want to make sure i am clear about reboot. my phone goes to the white screen that says htc the reboots to the home screen. is that what reboot is?

the weird thing is i can press the back button and it goes to the call list and back to the app or screen i was on. i have to hit the home button and this is when it reboots.

I belieeeeeve that what you are experiencing is what I have described. I don't have the "white HTC" screen because I have altered the boot animations but this is NOT a FULL-SHUT-DOWN-RESTART boot which takes longer...it's a quick little "restart" or sorts. That you can press the back button and back to the call list or an app suggests to me that this it the same short "hot reboot" and not a full restart, otherwise you wouldn't have anything in your "history" to back-key to...

i get this problem at least 15 times a day. i am not exagu(spelling) kidding.

Oh, I believe you...as I have been typing my last two replies here and reading with a reply at theMikMIk forums I have had no less than 5 reboots of my phone sitting here next to me. NOT cool...

i just got a new job and i can't have these problems. i get at least 20 calls a day (i love the call log app) and can't have these issues.

i know i can unroot but what fun would that be.

Only thing I can suggest for your frustration is "downgrading" to a pre-3.0 ROM. I was running 2.61 and was stable...same card, no reboots, nothing. MikG 3.XX adds some nice features but not SO, so much that perhaps you can't live without.

Here is a link to the download link for MikG 2.61:

MikG v2.61 - [11/23/2011)

Good luck...I'm in the same boat you are

 

[NaterTots]

Scudder, before blaming the SD card have you tried a different Rom?

Most of them utilize the partition on boot up so maybe that would help figure this out?
I'd go to a Sense 1.0 Rom first. Either a stock rom or one of the newer ones since Mikg 2.61 is so old.

This is the newest OTA 4.67 that is stock. It has been optimized to run a little quicker and everything works. I've run it and was very happy.

[ROM] 4.67 - Rooted - Optimized - Sharing means caring - xda-developers

Or NoLimit06's Rom is also off of 4.67 but is stripped down so it's very small but fast. It's missing most HTC widgets and Sprint apps.

http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all...aked-v1-2-0-02-08-12-a.html?highlight=nolimit

Or what I'm running currently is TommyTomatoes Classic 0.6
It isn't updated to the 4.67 rom but has some tweaks and is Sense 1.0.

http://classictomatoe.net/android/classic/beta/classic-v006-01-11-preview-signed.zip


I'd rather try flashing a quick rom than changing a SD card. I just did mine and it took forever.



Naters

 

[scudder]

Scudder, before blaming the SD card have you tried a different Rom?

Most of them utilize the partition on boot up so maybe that would help figure this out?
I'd go to a Sense 1.0 Rom first. Either a stock rom or one of the newer ones since Mikg 2.61 is so old.

This is the newest OTA 4.67 that is stock. It has been optimized to run a little quicker and everything works. I've run it and was very happy.

[ROM] 4.67 - Rooted - Optimized - Sharing means caring - xda-developers

Or NoLimit06's Rom is also off of 4.67 but is stripped down so it's very small but fast. It's missing most HTC widgets and Sprint apps.

http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all...aked-v1-2-0-02-08-12-a.html?highlight=nolimit

Or what I'm running currently is TommyTomatoes Classic 0.6
It isn't updated to the 4.67 rom but has some tweaks and is Sense 1.0.

http://classictomatoe.net/android/classic/beta/classic-v006-01-11-preview-signed.zip


I'd rather try flashing a quick rom than changing a SD card. I just did mine and it took forever.

Naters

Super SUPER idea!! I mean, I just ordered a new card and would appreciate the extra space...but could always return if the issue is NOT the card but the ROM and my (and others') phone(s).

I've already been "taking forever" on my own reformatting and wiping and flashing so I'm a bit "numb" to the process ...but still work a try as you suggested.

This is my first time dealing with a possibly "bad card"...what should I be on the lookout for when flashing the ROMS you suggested?? Hot reboots?? Overall sluggishness?? What else??

Also I noticed that the nolimit06 ROM has a2sd built in (like MikG did)...do the others or do I have to install to use?? Also, the third link is direct to the zip file, noticed it was a beta but found the changelog:

Classic Official Betas

Have you had any problems with the above beta vs. the stable options??

I'm leaning toward trying the nolimit06 ROM...I liked the info there...thanks again!!

 

[dustwun77]

Could it be an EVO version specific problem? Wasn't there some other app or rom or somethingthat didn't like some phone version?

 

[NaterTots]

I've been using the .0.6 Beta and it's been fine for me.

It does have the A2sd automatically.

It may at least help you to find the issue.
The NoLimit06 is fast and light. I've used it many times and like it alot. It's straight forward but gives you the option to use different apps and launchers rather than just the HTC stuff.


Nater

 

[MizzouBrent]

Man I've been running 3.1 and 3.11 for the last week and a half and it's been flawless for me. That sucks that you guys are having those issues.

I will say one thing, if you are having a FULL reboot multiple times/day on a stock kernel, it seems to me that it's likely to be a hardware failure of some kind. I've posted it a bunch of times on these forums, but on my 1st Evo, it started rebooting on me repeatedly and eventually got the the point where I couldn't do anything intensive on the phone or else it would start rebooting. I eventually took it into Sprint and they replaced it for me. They told me that it was a "known issue" with the Evo, so I was able to swap it out for a new one at no cost. I haven't had any trouble with my 2nd Evo.

Hot reboots though, I guess that could be anything. You could always try swapping your stock SD card back in for a few days and see if the problem still persists. That stuff is frustrating. I certainly feel your pain.

 

[scudder]

Man I've been running 3.1 and 3.11 for the last week and a half and it's been flawless for me. That sucks that you guys are having those issues.

I will say one thing, if you are having a FULL reboot multiple times/day on a stock kernel, it seems to me that it's likely to be a hardware failure of some kind. I've posted it a bunch of times on these forums, but on my 1st Evo, it started rebooting on me repeatedly and eventually got the the point where I couldn't do anything intensive on the phone or else it would start rebooting. I eventually took it into Sprint and they replaced it for me. They told me that it was a "known issue" with the Evo, so I was able to swap it out for a new one at no cost. I haven't had any trouble with my 2nd Evo.

Hot reboots though, I guess that could be anything. You could always try swapping your stock SD card back in for a few days and see if the problem still persists. That stuff is frustrating. I certainly feel your pain.

Hey, thanks for the condolences and your support

Been spending A LOT of time over at theMikMik forum with a bunch of guys giving me suggestions. Coincidentally, with what you said, I put in my old 8 GB Sandisk Class 4 without a partition (never been partitioned OR seen a custom ROM on it), reformatted, wiped, flashed and tried to get up and running and STILL SAME PROBLEMS....2 different SDs, 2 different capacities, 2 different brands (Sandisk, and Patriot), 2 different Class speeds, 2 reformats, 2 wipes, 2 flashes...and STILL hot rebooting

Thoughts over at theMikMik are (1) the "architecture" under which MikG 3.XX is causing problems with reading/writing/accessing the data on the card or (2) try a low-level reformat of the card in "non-LBA mode" following this post at XDA that was also posted in the Patriot Card support forums:

LBA mode MicroSD problems - no LBA: +14MB/s on Patriot LX 16GB - xda-developers

Fix: LX Series MicroSD Problems on Android phones

Problem with the links above is that I have a Mac and the command/software is for Windows

Anyway, not much else I can try. I do have a 32 GB Patriot card that I ordered last night thinking that "the card [my 16 GB] was bad." But not having the SAME issues with BOTH my cards as described above, I'm wondering if the new card purchase might be for naught. Like I said, not much else I can try...was VERY VERY STABLE on MikG 2.61 so might downgrade...otherwise I might have to jump ship on the MikG ROMs

If I have similar problems with other ROMs, then I got a BIGGER problem...but that is yet to be determined...

 

[scudder]

Man I've been running 3.1 and 3.11 for the last week and a half and it's been flawless for me. That sucks that you guys are having those issues.

BTW, forgot to ask...

What sd card do you have?? Size? Class? What formatting technique (if you do anything special) do/did you use??

Thanks!!

 

[antonio8]

. Like I said, not much else I can try...was VERY VERY STABLE on MikG 2.61 so might downgrade...otherwise I might have to jump ship on the MikG ROMs

I know I cut your response down alot but question. What other ROM besides MikG is good that uses sense? I am just so used to some of those widgets from HTC I can not do with out them.

And trying another ROM will let me know if the issue is with the phone itself or the software.

Thanks all

 

[Rxpert83]

. Like I said, not much else I can try...was VERY VERY STABLE on MikG 2.61 so might downgrade...otherwise I might have to jump ship on the MikG ROMs QUOTE]

I know I cut your response down alot but question. What other ROM besides MikG is good that uses sense? I am just so used to some of those widgets from HTC I can not do with out them.

And trying another ROM will let me know if the issue is with the phone itself or the software.

Thanks all

Give Tommy's Classic a go. Its sense 1.0 so you'll be missing some bells and whistles but battery life is great

 

[scudder]

Hey NaterTots (and anyone else interested!!)...

I have some NEWS with my attempt to use a "base" Sense 1.0 ROM to troubleshoot the problem I was having with MikG hot reboots.

I posted the information below at theMikMik forum but repeating here because I know there are other eyes here that don't necessarily follow the other forums.

Would VERY MUCH appreciate some thoughts/conclusions about why is occurring below...thanks!!

NaterTots suggested installing another ROM and see what happened. Of the 3 ROMs suggested previously in this thread I chose a "Nolimit06" ROM:

http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all...-ota-4-67-slim-tweaked-v1-2-0-02-08-12-a.html

It's super-stripped down...doesn't even have any Google apps like Maps or Gmail installed.

Obviously full (and proper) wipe before I flashed. I did not reformat my card but trashed everything that was on it except for the zip of the NoLimit06 ROM.

I'll be honest...I didn't let the ROM "settle in" for hours without installing apps. I let it sit for just for about 15 minutes before even pulling the lock screen down to look around. I figured if the same problems happened with this ROM then (my ASSumption) it was NOT MikG-specific. I looked around and things seemed ok so I went to the Market and download the following apps:

Battery Notifier
Brightness Profiles
ChompSMS
Gmail (because not in original ROM)
Quick Boot
Quick Settings
Swype Installer/Swype
Task List Pro
LauncherPro

Again, was MOST IMPORTANT for me to to see if this non-MikG ROM gave me the same problems. So I downloaded, installed and launched all the apps in my list above. Everything seemed fine until LauncherPro. I'm NOT BLAMING LauncherPro for my problems but just saying that was THE LAST APP I installed before my problems started (as a matter of fact, I was having hot reboots with MikG WITHOUT ever installing LauncherPro). I chose LauncherPro as my launcher and put my phone down and within 2 minutes (I know that is the amount of time because my screen time out is set for 2 minutes) felt a little shake-shake of the boot up vibration and sure enough HAD A HOT REBOOT ON THE NoLimit06 ROM!!

So, the BAD NEWS: had a hot reboot on a NON-MikG ROM!!...

But I'm wondering if this is also GOOD NEWS in that I had a hot reboot on the NON-MikG ROM?? I was wondering if this CONFIRMS that my sd card has a problem?? That is my assumption under the circumstances but would GREATLY APPRECIATE some more tech-savvy people chiming in if my assumption is valid/likely?? Like I said I did NOT REFORMAT before flashing the NoLimit06 ROM...just trashed unnecessary files...so thinking out loud...is it possible that the previous flash of MikG 3.11 on this card "messed with the card" in a way that I needed to/should have reformatted the card before flashing the NoLimit06 ROM?? My thought is still WHO CARES??...the key is that this is happening when my phone has NOTHING TO DO with running MikG!

So is it likely the card that is the problem?? Or is there something WITH MY PHONE ITSELF that is the problem since my hot reboots do not seem to discriminate against ROMs??

NEW thoughts??

THANKS!!

 

[Rxpert83]

I had heard reports of other people having this problem from No-Limits ROM when it was first released, and I'm not sure if he ever got them figured out. It may be due to how stripped down it is. I would repeat the test with Tommy's Evo Classic. I havent heard of any reboot issues with it.


Bottom line: Others have found nolimits ROM to be a little buggy, it would be better to use a more stable ROM to use as a test base.

Nothing against his ROM, but go with something more "stable" before drawing conclusions

 

[scudder]

I had heard reports of other people having this problem from No-Limits ROM when it was first released, and I'm not sure if he ever got them figured out. It may be due to how stripped down it is. I would repeat the test with Tommy's Evo Classic. I havent heard of any reboot issues with it.


Bottom line: Others have found nolimits ROM to be a little buggy, it would be better to use a more stable ROM to use as a test base.

Nothing against his ROM, but go with something more "stable" before drawing conclusions

THANK YOU for the information...VERY VALID considerations.

Question...the Tommy's link in the above post #8, I believe, is a "beta":

http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all...oblem-findings-your-thoughts.html#post4059395

I guess the BEST thing would be to use a "stable" release as found here, yes??:

Index of /android/classic/stable

Which do you suggest?? The top 4.67 odexed??

THANKS!

 

[Rxpert83]

Go with the Classic 5 Finale build.

 

[scudder]

Go with the Classic 5 Finale build.

Sorry...there's a few that are "Classic 5-ish" to me:

NO-HTC_IME-classic-v005-01-02-finale-senseless.zip
classic-v005-01-02-finale-senseless.zip
classic-v005-12-27-finale-signed.zip

Which you like??

 

[scudder]

Go with the Classic 5 Finale build.

Hey...just letting you know I looked around a bit more and our the AF "ROMs and Kernals Page" and XDA and seems you were referring to the "classic-v005-12-27-finale-signed.zip" as the one I needed.

I'm off to wipe and flash....will report back!

 

[MizzouBrent]

BTW, forgot to ask...

What sd card do you have?? Size? Class? What formatting technique (if you do anything special) do/did you use??

Thanks!!

I'm not even sure of the brand...just something I found at Best Buy. It's a 16 GB Class 10. Nothing special to format it. Just used RA 2.3 and set up my partition...default swap, 2 GB partition (which is way more than I need...I'd go no bigger than a gig) and upgraded ext2 to ext3.

 

[scudder]

I'm not even sure of the brand...just something I found at Best Buy. It's a 16 GB Class 10. Nothing special to format it. Just used RA 2.3 and set up my partition...default swap, 2 GB partition (which is way more than I need...I'd go no bigger than a gig) and upgraded ext2 to ext3.

Thanks...so, SO weird that with the same phone and coming from a fresh, clean format, partition and wipe that one phone can have problems and the other not. I'm still sorting things out here and testing on two different cards with two different ROMs....thanks again!!

 

[scudder]

So, on the recommendations above I reformatted, wiped and flashed a NON-MikG ROM and chose Tommy's Classic 5, specifically the "stable" ROM "classic-v005-12-27-finale-signed.zip" found here:

Index of /android/classic/stable

Got up and running with Classic 5...running up until the point where I was experiencing reboot with MikG 3.XX...and BEYOND!!! I went for HOURS without a reboot or so much as a hiccup!!

Now, I didn't let this ROM "settle in" and haven't been using it for a week let alone a full day....but the fact that I went up to and beyond the installs and app usage and setup with MikG 3.XX with NO reboots was important.

So, I made a nand backup and have a stable version of Classic 5 to default to with settings and (most of) the apps I need in case I run into other problems.

Question...NOW WHAT??

Does my phone just "not like" MikG all of a sudden?? Do I still have some sort of "sd card" issue but it isn't rearing its ugly head on the Classic ROM?? ONE IMPORTANT NOTE: instead of reformatting the card with which I flashed Tommy's Classic 5 using SD Formatter https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_3/ I simply used my MAC and the Disk Utility software on my computer.

SO, there are TWO variables that I'm trying to figure out: (1) is my phone "behaving" because I formatted it with my computer?? or (2) is my phone "behaving" because I'm NOT using the MikG 3.11 ROM??

Thoughts?? THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT!!