17 year old banned from the U.S.

[kcs7272]

Oh I see, it's alright for you to be a trendy anti-government type because you're of Native American heritage? Pretty cool.

That is so far from correct it is almost correct, get it? Yeah I feel since the government used to take our people and try to turn them into Christians by putting them into "special" schools and beating them if the spoke their own language is a good reason.

How about the fact that the Calvary used to stomp Native children's heads in to save bullets? Were the blankets infected with diseases that were given to the Indians meant as a joke?

I could tell you of recent issues too but I doubt you would understand or care.
Also if you think the government has mine or your best interests at heart regardless of race you sir are a brainwashed zombie.

But hey, thanks for being so insensitive to a peoples mistreatment. I bet you don't believe the Holocaust ever happened. Yeah you're right, it is" trendy" to be from a race that was and still is persecuted by "our" government.

 

[Member243850]

That is so far from correct it is almost correct, get it? Yeah I feel since the government used to take our people and try to turn them into Christians by putting them into "special" schools and beating them if the spoke their own language is a good reason.

How about the fact that the Calvary used to stomp Native children's heads in to save bullets? Were the blankets infected with diseases that were given to the Indians meant as a joke?

I could tell you of recent issues too but I doubt you would understand or care.
Also if you think the government has mine or your best interests at heart regardless of race you sir are a brainwashed zombie.

But hey, thanks for being so insensitive to a peoples mistreatment. I bet you don't believe the Holocaust ever happened. Yeah you're right, it is" trendy" to be from a race that was and still is persecuted by "our" government.

Wow.... you remind me of the "people" (I would prefer to call them losers) here in South Africa "buddy"....

And don't bring up this topic in this thread.... make a new thread plz.... it is a whole new topic.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Wow.... you remind me of the "people" (I would prefer to call them losers) here in South Africa "buddy"....

And don't bring up this topic in this thread.... make a new thread plz.... it is a whole new topic.

FYI, the US government screwed the natives for centuries
They would give them the shittest land, then some immigrants would find something valuable (eg Gold), start killing then natives [who owned the land], would be backed up by the US army, and then the immigrants would take the land

 

[Member243850]

FYI, the US government screwed the natives for centuries
They would give them the shittest land, then some immigrants would find something valuable (eg Gold), start killing then natives [who owned the land], would be backed up by the US army, and then the immigrants would take the land

Hey shadowninty... but this is a whole new topic here... so ja....

 

[G.Armour]

And let the racial discussions begin straying way off topic.

 

[Martimus]

FYI, the US government screwed the natives for centuries
They would give them the shittest land, then some immigrants would find something valuable (eg Gold), start killing then natives [who owned the land], would be backed up by the US army, and then the immigrants would take the land

Unfortunately this is not solely a US thing...

There is hardly a nation on this planet that hasn't been invaded, conquered, and/or pillaged at one time or another. Sadly this seems to be an unfortunate aspect of human nature that we seem unable to shed.

Your profile states Cork City... Ireland is no stranger to being occupied by other nations. England has had it's hand in Ireland for several centuries. And I believe the Vikings were there before the English.

My point here is not to excuse the behavior of Americans in the 19th century. My point is simply to state that this sort of behavior could be found on this planet long before America got it's freedom and will exist long after America loses it's place among the planets "superpowers".

 

[Familyguy1]

Unfortunately this is not solely a US thing...

There is hardly a nation on this planet that hasn't been invaded, conquered, and/or pillaged at one time or another. Sadly this seems to be an unfortunate aspect of human nature that we seem unable to shed.

Your profile states Cork City... Ireland is no stranger to being occupied by other nations. England has had it's hand in Ireland for several centuries. And I believe the Vikings were there before the English.

My point here is not to excuse the behavior of Americans in the 19th century. My point is simply to state that this sort of behavior could be found on this planet long before America got it's freedom and will exist long after America loses it's place among the planets "superpowers".

I concur, so as that guy did to point out his own heritage problem with the US was ignorant of a sorts.

kcs: NAs still persecuted...? How?

 

[ElasticNinja]

Unfortunately this is not solely a US thing...

There is hardly a nation on this planet that hasn't been invaded, conquered, and/or pillaged at one time or another. Sadly this seems to be an unfortunate aspect of human nature that we seem unable to shed.

Your profile states Cork City... Ireland is no stranger to being occupied by other nations. England has had it's hand in Ireland for several centuries. And I believe the Vikings were there before the English.

My point here is not to excuse the behavior of Americans in the 19th century. My point is simply to state that this sort of behavior could be found on this planet long before America got it's freedom and will exist long after America loses it's place among the planets "superpowers".

I'm surprised you know where Cork is



As for the rest of the post, I coudn't agree more.
Bigger countries always screw over richer countries.

However the fact that other countries are doing the same does not excuse other countries.

Just because the UK does something bad, it does not make it right for say, France to do bad things as well.

But as you say, its human nature, and decades of education will hopefully fix it someday.
Just hopefully not too late :S

 

[SamsungVibrant]

People, take your personal opinion about our leader, or your political view point out of this please. What this punk did was wrong.

Anyway, I think the kid got off too easy. I think all little brats like this kid get off too easy. The ban should be for life, and it should never be lifted.

I'm sick and tired of society giving kids a break. The kid was 17, almost an adult. Kids of today, are not the same kids of 50 years ago. Kids of 50 years ago would steal gum, kids of today are threatening the life of country leaders, hacking into government systems, and carrying around weapons.

It's all bad parenting, all of it. I bet his parents sit around the TV, watch the news, and make the exact same comments about our leader. When you are trash, you raise children who are trash. Children with no morals, no ethics, and no understanding or respect for others. These trashy children end up growing up, and having their own children, which they hand down their trashy values to. The cycle continues, never to end.

The ban should stay for life, further, all internet service providers should ban this brat and his family from having internet access for an entire year. IF you are using the internet to threaten world leaders, then you should be punished and banned from the internet, including the rest of the family, sorry parents you should monitor your child's activity.

Enough of giving these little punks a break. There are too many underage bullies, too many innocent children getting hurt, ridiculed, physically and emotionally traumatized from bullies, too many underage people committing crimes, ruining neighborhoods, and making crime rates go up. Underage brats of today are raised with absolutely no sense of what is right or wrong. What is more disgusting to me, more than anything else, is when parents of such pathetic children defend their childrens negative behavior, and get down right defensive.

Sorry moms, sorry dads, don't get defensive when you are not doing your job, and you are raising children who ridicule others, and throw condoms into the hair of an innocent disabled child with cerebral palsy. Have you guys heard about this story?
YouTube - Caught On Tape: Dad Threatens To Kill Kids On Bus
Don't get me wrong, and don't twist my words please, the way the father handled the situation was not right. However, if you watch that video, and you see the way that mother defends her little brat, little brat with a smirk on his face, you want to puke. If I ever have a child, and someone comes to with evidence, showing me that my child threw a condom on someone else, or made fun of a disabled person, there is no way in hell I'm defending my child, my child will be punished, seriously spoken to, and the difference between right and wrong will be learned. That WILL BE the last time my child behaves like that.

People, have you people spent 5 mins on youtube reading the comments people leave? The comments are so horrific, the pure evil, vulgar, hateful words that people leave on videos about innocent people who are handicap, sick, disabled, or videos of people in tragic accidents. How can people laugh at a video of someone dying. People burning alive in car accidents, or people jumping to their death on 911. How can someone think that is funny? Is this what society has come to? I'm sorry, I don't think I'm reading too much into it. On the contrary, I believe something little as vulgar youtube comments are a direct reflection of what society has evolved into, a nasty ugly world, where common respect and decency for your fellow man kind has been utterly lost and destroyed.

Parents, monitor your children, and when you catch your little punk doing something wrong, punish them, educate them, teach them the difference between right and wrong.

Sorry end of rant.

 

[byteware]

Obama should not be President. He is not even a US citizen. Anyone who claims he is must be brainwashed, dumber than dirt or getting a kickback.

You do realize that his birth certificate was posted online during the campaign. It's been verified in Hawaii.

I understand not liking the guy, but let's use a little rationality.

 

[ElasticNinja]

You do realize that his birth certificate was posted online during the campaign. It's been verified in Hawaii.

I understand not liking the guy, but let's use a little rationality.

The guy was taking the piss...

 

[SamsungVibrant]

Obama should not be President. He is not even a US citizen. Anyone who claims he is must be brainwashed, dumber than dirt or getting a kickback.

By trying to be politically correct and to show the world that America is soooo sensitive and hip the US elected a man who could very well destroy this country! I am not happy with a lot of things that pass for being okay in this country.

I feel we live under the illusion of freedom when in actuality this country has been drifting towards socialism for a long time. Before all of the Red Necks out there tell me to go to another country if I don't like it here let me drop a little knowledge on you.

I am Native American Indian, this is my country and YOU were not invited!! Your ancestors just came and murdered/raped and almost wiped us all out. SO GO BACK TOU YOUR COUNTRIES AND TAKE YOUR FLAWED CORUPT GOVERNMENT WITH YOU!!!!!!!

Let the bashing begin!!! LOL

You know, when people make comments, similar to what you said about our leader not being a citizen, it shows a complete lack of intelligence and is reflective of your lack of education. I bet you don't even exercise your right to vote, you were probably busy watching Beavis and Butt-Head re-runs on election day.

Furthermore, I think anyone who doesn't vote in every single election, no matter how small the election may be, has no right to even comment on political views. I hear so many idiots spewing their political non-sense, yet none of them bother to do research and vote on election day.

 

[byteware]

You know, when people make comments, similar to what you said about our leader not being a citizen, it shows a complete lack of intelligence and is reflective of your lack of education.

I don't know that I agree with this statement. What it shows is a desire to believe something that discredits the person that they politically disagree with.

Democrats tend to believe that Bush lied about the intel regarding Iraq's WMDs, even though the evidence we have available is contrary to that belief.

People believe whatever it takes to support their political and religious beliefs. The brain actually gives you rewards for finding ways to circumvent evidence contrary to your established beliefs.

I bet you don't even exercise your right to vote, you were probably busy watching Beavis and Butt-Head re-runs on election day.

Uncalled for. Many people who don't like Obama, and don't think he is a citizen voted against him. His belief is no indication of his voting track record.

Furthermore, I think anyone who doesn't vote in every single election, no matter how small the election may be, has no right to even comment on political views. I hear so many idiots spewing their political non-sense, yet none of them bother to do research and vote on election day.

I have to flat out disagree with you here.

I don't vote on who is going to be our county coroner. Why? Because I don't really care. I vote in elections where I care enough to research the candidates. Seriously, there are enough elections that a person COULD vote in, that they could spend half their free time just researching candidates.


I do agree that if you didn't vote in an election, you shouldn't be allowed to gripe about the outcome.

 

[kcs7272]

You know, when people make comments, similar to what you said about our leader not being a citizen, it shows a complete lack of intelligence and is reflective of your lack of education. I bet you don't even exercise your right to vote, you were probably busy watching Beavis and Butt-Head re-runs on election day.

Furthermore, I think anyone who doesn't vote in every single election, no matter how small the election may be, has no right to even comment on political views. I hear so many idiots spewing their political non-sense, yet none of them bother to do research and vote on election day.

You can question my intelligence all you want, I really don't mind. As for the statement about me not voting or doing research LOL LOL LOL! Maybe you need to look into who really runs this country!

Do you have any idea what really goes on in this "government"? I mean from the 12 families and organizations that truly decide what goes on here and when. What about all of the secret societies like the Skull and crossbones and the rest?

Also do you know the truth about how the federal reserve came about? Do you know that the federal reserve is not truly a government establishment but that it was founded by early international bankers and oil tycoons?

The fact is a lot of recent events were brought about because North Korea and some countries in the Middle East were going to switch from our currency (the petro dollar) to the Euro for trade and commerce.

Come on, you are so much more intelligent than me so you must understand how the federal reserve implements a fractal method of money lending right? The reserve lends out $1000 at 100% interest then the bank that borrowed it lends the same $1000 out at 100% and so on and so fourth.

This happens until that $1000 is $100,000,000 and then the international bankers collect all of that money back and the interest even though the money is not worth anything because it is not backed by anything! I'm sorry I could go on forever but you are to smart for me.

 

[SamsungVibrant]

You can question my intelligence all you want, I really don't mind. As for the statement about me not voting or doing research LOL LOL LOL! Maybe you need to look into who really runs this country!

Do you have any idea what really goes on in this "government"? I mean from the 12 families and organizations that truly decide what goes on here and when. What about all of the secret societies like the Skull and crossbones and the rest?

Also do you know the truth about how the federal reserve came about? Do you know that the federal reserve is not truly a government establishment but that it was founded by early international bankers and oil tycoons?

The fact is a lot of recent events were brought about because North Korea and some countries in the Middle East were going to switch from our currency (the petro dollar) to the Euro for trade and commerce.

Come on, you are so much more intelligent than me so you must understand how the federal reserve implements a fractal method of money lending right? The reserve lends out $1000 at 100% interest then the bank that borrowed it lends the same $1000 out at 100% and so on and so fourth.

This happens until that $1000 is $100,000,000 and then the international bankers collect all of that money back and the interest even though the money is not worth anything because it is not backed by anything! I'm sorry I could go on forever but you are to smart for me.

So basically you admitted that you don't vote, because you believe 12 families run this country. You are one of those crazy conspiracy theory people. You don't vote, and that means you shouldn't even open your mouth and spew out garbage. You want to join political conversations and debates then VOTE. Until then, I don't want to hear conspiracy theories coming from you.

 

[ElasticNinja]

Oh dear kcs was not joking xD
Craaazzzy guy

 

[kcs7272]

Not crazy. Educated. Believe me the only people who laugh at these statements or don't believe them fall into 4 categories.
1. Pompous idiots

2. people who just don't know of these things through
no real fault of their own.

3. People who cannot or do not want to believe
because it is to "scary" or they just can't accept
things work like this.

4. People who believe blindly in what they are
taught in school or by "authority" figures.
These are the people who believe you should not
rock the boat or ask questions. Just keep your
head down and try not to be noticed.

The crazy people are the ones who think myself and others who think like this are crazy. These are the people who think that the economy falling apart and certain other events that have happened in the last 30 years are just "bad luck".

Hey, thats par for the course. Anytime somebody exposes dark secrets about government, church, or even science they are always called crazy. It is easier than excepting the truth. People don't like it when their life long beliefs are proved wrong.

I bet some of you think the Earth is flat. Lol

 

[Death by Techno]

Jeez, this is freaking crazy.

 

[_J.J._]

This is completely insane!

How can someone (Obummer) be so imature and bann a child forever from the states? That childs life is now ruined!

And what about freedom of expression? He did not attempt to murder / hurt anyone... why is this an issue?

Are there any lawyers here that can show me what the crazy law says about the situation here...?

This reminds me of South Africa.... there was a kid that pulled the finger at Jacob Zuma during a rally.... he got thrown in prison...

This is just plain crazy!

The office of the Presidency is, and MUST be protected. World Wars that have cost MILLIONS of lives have started because a leader was assassinated. So EVERY threat must be taken seriously. a 19 y.o. killed the archduke Ferdinand, thus setting off the fuse that began WWI. Don't be so ignorant and naive to think this threat shouldn't be taken seriously because you don't like Obama. I don't either, but killing my President is enough to go to war over.

Just because it's the president of the USA does not mean he has better human rights than anyone else!

Do you have no sympath / heart?

He is only 17 that's why his "judgement" / approach was slighty rude... he has the right to an opinoin here!

EDIT

And it's sounds like you got censorship in Britain btw...

like I said, WWI was started by a 19 y.o., so you can drop the "he's just 17" bullshit.

Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

This "kid" should have more consequences than he already has had.

EDIT - AND just to tie in more to this story, Princip, the guy who shot the archduke of Austria, was from another country.... Bosnia

 

[Bob Maxey]

I'm being critical towards US, I'm still sitting on the fence scratching my head for banning that kid or even bother using FBI to track him down, but guess even FBI is bored nowdays.

We have not seen the email. We only have a notion about the contents, and if threats were made, perhaps yes, the kid is out. As for the FBI, yes, threats are taken seriously.

Perhaps one day we will know.

Bob Maxey

 

[_J.J._]

Princip was also a teenager
WWI - 16 million Casualties - 21 million wounded

Austria-Hungary (who's (future) leader was assassinated) was split up
Empires ceased to exist after WWI

yeah, I think the FBI may have a vested interested beyond just boredom as to investigating dumbass teens and their threats

 

[Bob Maxey]

This is completely insane!

How can someone (Obummer) be so imature and bann a child forever from the states? That childs life is now ruined!

And what about freedom of expression? He did not attempt to murder / hurt anyone... why is this an issue?

Are there any lawyers here that can show me what the crazy law says about the situation here...?

This reminds me of South Africa.... there was a kid that pulled the finger at Jacob Zuma during a rally.... he got thrown in prison...

This is just plain crazy!

Crimes of Moral Turpitude can keep you out of the country:

1 : an act or behavior that gravely violates the sentiment or accepted standard of the community
2 : a quality of dishonesty or other immorality that is determined by a court to be present in the commission of a criminal offense

 

[Bob Maxey]

Wow... i never nknew that!

Thats also crazy! But she never had a loaded weapon... that's sad.

But my point here is... he is a youngster... he had his whole life ahead of him... but now there will be consequences here... i feel sorry for him.

He was just voicing his opinoin...why can we not voice our opinions?

Perhaps this will serve as a lesson to other wacky kids. There are consequences.

Research what can happen if you threaten the President of the United States. And mind you, everything I have read about this case seems to indicate that threats were made. Mind you, nobody here seems to have read the actual letter so we really can't comment on what should happen to this kid.

The minimum penalty is five years in prison, by the way.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

You can question my intelligence all you want, I really don't mind. As for the statement about me not voting or doing research LOL LOL LOL! Maybe you need to look into who really runs this country!

Do you have any idea what really goes on in this "government"? I mean from the 12 families and organizations that truly decide what goes on here and when. What about all of the secret societies like the Skull and crossbones and the rest?

Also do you know the truth about how the federal reserve came about? Do you know that the federal reserve is not truly a government establishment but that it was founded by early international bankers and oil tycoons?

The fact is a lot of recent events were brought about because North Korea and some countries in the Middle East were going to switch from our currency (the petro dollar) to the Euro for trade and commerce.

Come on, you are so much more intelligent than me so you must understand how the federal reserve implements a fractal method of money lending right? The reserve lends out $1000 at 100% interest then the bank that borrowed it lends the same $1000 out at 100% and so on and so fourth.

This happens until that $1000 is $100,000,000 and then the international bankers collect all of that money back and the interest even though the money is not worth anything because it is not backed by anything! I'm sorry I could go on forever but you are to smart for me.

Hey, relax, nobody is questioning your intelligence and thoughtful comments on how it is and how we should be scared. I mean, look at what you posted? Your post certainly clarifies things for me and tells me all I need to know about your depth of knowledge.

Your knowledge of how the Fed works is truly remarkable, but I am not sure which 12 families run this crazy place. I'm betting it is the Buildbergers or Build a Bears, or I forget their names.

Perhaps Gates and Buffet are at the secret meetings planning our demise as we speak.

God, I hope those bizzilionaires or Oprah aren't part of it all. I can't stand rap and as we all know, us republicans hate all black folk, so it better not be Oprah or I'll just Die, I tell you, just die.

Bob

 

[Member243850]

@ Bob Maxey

Look dude, i don't mean to be rude here but,

the kid's own privacy has been violated, I am a little disturbed at the fact that the USA / British or whoevea has now put the childs / teengaers name all over the media / internet / news, i think it is insane that they have done this. It is wrong enough to ban some1 from your country for saying you are a p**** or whateva childish words he used. People make mistakes it is life period. We all do stupid stuff...

Andwhyhas the rest of the world not seen this email you ask? The real question is: why is what he said such a big issue here?.... he has not hurt anyone physically so why get your nappy all wet about it and foolishly bann some1 for life from the USA which is what Obummer did, This is pretty crazy imo...

Sorry it is defintely not justified imo... i think it is crazy madness.

If Mr Obama had just asked for an apology or something along those lines from this situation then yes that wud be fine. BUT DO NOT go and bann AND then stick it all over the media / internet and ruin this perspons life in the process because that is not fair at all. They shud have kept quiet about this bann in my opinion... very disturbing indeed.