17 year old banned from the U.S.

[Bob Maxey]

@ Bob Maxey

Look dude, i don't mean to be rude here but,

the kid's own privacy has been violated, I am a little disturbed at the fact that the USA / British or whoevea has now put the childs / teengaers name all over the media / internet / news, i think it is insane that they have done this. It is wrong enough to ban some1 from your country for saying you are a p**** or whateva childish words he used. People make mistakes it is life period. We all do stupid stuff...

Andwhyhas the rest of the world not seen this email you ask? The real question is: why is what he said such a big issue here?.... he has not hurt anyone physically so why get your nappy all wet about it and foolishly bann some1 for life from the USA which is what Obummer did, This is pretty crazy imo...

Sorry it is defintely not justified imo... i think it is crazy madness.

If Mr Obama had just asked for an apology or something along those lines from this situation then yes that wud be fine. BUT DO NOT go and bann AND then stick it all over the media / internet and ruin this perspons life in the process because that is not fair at all. They shud have kept quiet about this bann in my opinion... very disturbing indeed.

The accounts of what this little putz did are not clear, but they suggest that the message went further than simple insults. If the kid violated the law, it might not be up to Obama to simply forgive him. For example, a death threat is a serious crime and you get five years for it.

I am not sure about the kids privacy. And so what? Perhaps next time he will keep his mouth shut.

If he did something truly terrible, it is good he wont be let in. Admission to the United States is certainly not a right,

Bob Maxey

 

[mcatdtDROID]

when he hit "send", he gave up his privacy.... It's not like Obama, the CIA, the FBI siezed a private email between the kid and his best friend, he SENT IT TO OBAMA.

If I send you a death threat, you can take it to the cops and they violate no privacy laws.

 

[copestag]

personally (while I admit I didnt go out of my way reading about this... I did read 2-3 different articles when it happened) I have not seen a single word indicating there was anything more than just insults...... insults that were far less immoral or rude than what was hurled at Bush by our own Congress

if indeed there were threats then by all means the punishment fits the crime.... he should never be allowed to step foot on US soil..... but nobody will ever know the truth to this

IMO the fact that it was made into a major story and the letter kept secret indicates that it was blown way out of proportion and done so for political reasons...... if indeed there were threats and they were going to make sure the world knew this kid had made threats and publish his name all over...... then exactly what reasoning or logic could they have for hiding the contents of the letter? to protect this kids privacy?..... just another case of labeling anyone who dares not agree with Obama as an extremist

 

[Member243850]

Look,

If some1 sends you a death threat, by all means investigate it but don't go and bann a person who has no real intension of killing you and then go and bann them foreva from your country.

And anywayz Obummer or whateva creature banned him shud have more patience and forgive and forget and shud know better anyway... hell i know what i wud do if i was Obummer. This is just patheitc.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Look,

If some1 sends you a death threat, by all means investigate it but don't go and bann a person who has no real intension of killing you and then go and bann them foreva from your country.

And anywayz Obummer or whateva creature banned him shud have more patience and forgive and forget and shud know better anyway... hell i know what i wud do if i was Obummer. This is just patheitc.

I suspect had there been a threat, and this child entered the US, and attempted the unthinkable . . . we would be asking why we did not investigate him when he sent the message. Damed if you do and damed if you don't.

Bob Maxey

 

[mcatdtDROID]

Look,

If some1 sends you a death threat, by all means investigate it but don't go and bann a person who has no real intension of killing you and then go and bann them foreva from your country.

And anywayz Obummer or whateva creature banned him shud have more patience and forgive and forget and shud know better anyway... hell i know what i wud do if i was Obummer. This is just patheitc.

who says he had no intention.... he may not have had the means, but that doesn't mean if the opportunity presented himself, what the kid would do. keeping him out of the US reduces that opportunity. If a person makes the threat, you take it seriously.... and when it's toward the POTUS, no matter what his politics (and I'm not an Obama fan by any stretch of the imagination), you investigate it and take whatever means necessary to prevent it.

1981: Queen shot at by youth
A 17-year-old man has been arrested for shooting a replica gun at the Queen as she rode past crowds on horseback.
Marcus Serjeant pointed a pistol directly at the Queen as she turned down Horseguards' Parade for the start of the Trooping the Colour ceremony.

He fired six blank cartridges before being overcome by a Guardsman and police.

The shots, which came just before 1100BST, startled the Queen's horse, but she was able to bring it back under control within a few seconds.

The Queen had left Buckingham Palace 15 minutes earlier.

She had rode down the Mall and was turning into a crowded Horseguards' Parade when the incident occurred.

The monarch looked shaken by the episode, but soon recovered her composure.

She comforted her 19-year-old horse, Burmese, which she has ridden in birthday parades since 1969.

The procession continued as planned, and afterwards the Queen returned to Buckingham Palace by the same route, under the close watch of security services.

This is not the first time a member of the royal family has faced danger from within a crowd of spectators.

Seven years ago, a few yards down the Mall, Princess Anne was attacked by a gunman.

Half a mile away in 1936 King Edward VIII faced a man with a loaded revolver.

And Queen Victoria was also shot at by a man with a gun in the Mall.

Security will take on an increasing importance as next month's wedding between Prince Charles and Diana Spencer approaches.

amazing, this 17 y.o. British kid got locked up for 3 years for 'not intending' to shoot the queen in 1981. (there's a HELLUVA powerful picture that shows the gun pointed at her that someone just happened to snap a picture of in the crowd. I'll be damned if I can find it though.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I think most of you need to read the article again and not blaming Obama for the kid being banned. First off he NEVER got the email so he never read it. Secondly, It was the british police that told the kid he was banned. A statement never came from the FBI saying he was. It's funny how some people jump at any chance to bash others without knowing the full story.

Absolutely true. Nobody here has read the email and therefore, nobody here knows what was said. Obama can take it. Most presidents assume a fair amount of criticism will come their way.

Ask yourself people if the FBI or HS went to all that trouble to find the kid, it must be more than a simple pissed off message from some clueless infant.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

Obama should not be President. He is not even a US citizen. Anyone who claims he is must be brainwashed, dumber than dirt or getting a kickback.

By trying to be politically correct and to show the world that America is soooo sensitive and hip the US elected a man who could very well destroy this country! I am not happy with a lot of things that pass for being okay in this country.

I feel we live under the illusion of freedom when in actuality this country has been drifting towards socialism for a long time. Before all of the Red Necks out there tell me to go to another country if I don't like it here let me drop a little knowledge on you.

I am Native American Indian, this is my country and YOU were not invited!! Your ancestors just came and murdered/raped and almost wiped us all out. SO GO BACK TOU YOUR COUNTRIES AND TAKE YOUR FLAWED CORUPT GOVERNMENT WITH YOU!!!!!!!

Let the bashing begin!!! LOL

Wow, a Birther. I think it is your country, indeed I do. But it is my country too and I have every right to be here.

Too bad you do not know your own history. Many American Indians were violent, and quite racist towards other Indians. And no, we did not taint blankets with smallpox to kill you all off. I thought I'd save you from mentioning that one.

Obama is American; he is a citizen. Your statement that he is otherwise is foolish and very common among the undereducated and ill-informed. By the way, I am not calling you stupid, you're just lacking in few areas.

I do agree with you when you say he should not be president. He lacks the experience needed to do the job properly.

Bob Maxey

 

[Bob Maxey]

Sorry for the off topic comments . . .I'll behave.

Bob Maxey

 

[ElasticNinja]

Wow, a Birther. I think it is your country, indeed I do. But it is my country too and I have every right to be here.

Too bad you do not know your own history. Many American Indians were violent, and quite racist towards other Indians. And no, we did not taint blankets with smallpox to kill you all off. I thought I'd save you from mentioning that one.

Obama is American; he is a citizen. Your statement that he is otherwise is foolish and very common among the undereducated and ill-informed. By the way, I am not calling you stupid, you're just lacking in few areas.

I do agree with you when you say he should not be president. He lacks the experience needed to do the job properly.

Bob Maxey

Indeed KCS is crazy
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Anyway, as someone said earlier, a 19 year old started off a chain of events leading to WWI, which changed the map of Europe forever and cost millions of lives.

 

[Member243850]

Absolutely true. Nobody here has read the email and therefore, nobody here knows what was said. Obama can take it. Most presidents assume a fair amount of criticism will come their way.

Ask yourself people if the FBI or HS went to all that trouble to find the kid, it must be more than a simple pissed off message from some clueless infant.

Bob Maxey

What?

"Obummer can take it." ... No no no my friend, not true! If Obummer can take it then why did he (or whatever loser did ban the child) ban the kid from the USA for life! Why!? He can't take it at all!

IF the kid was indeed a terrorist or something along those really pathetic / insane lines, then yes i totally agree!! Ban this person IF he is indeed a terrorist, but he is just a child that was angry about what Obummer said! Obummer shud have more

The reporters even said themselves he was just ordinary child or just a youngster... so why ban him forever? He is not a terrorist at all! He has no record of doing such a thing anyway!

I bet he doesn't even own a f***ing water pistol never mind an actual gun capable of killing some1! So what the hell!?

I personally think the American people are totally sick and tired of all the crazy governments that they have had to put up with... i feel sorry for the American people that have to deal with this madness... it must be emberassing for many Americans.

The USA people need to get rid of this Obama guy pronto! He is flat out dangerous and can't take criticism at all or who ever did the ban.

 

[Bob Maxey]

What?

"Obummer can take it." ... No no no my friend, not true! If Obummer can take it then why did he (or whatever loser did ban the child) ban the kid from the USA for life! Why!? He can't take it at all!

IF the kid was indeed a terrorist or something along those really pathetic / insane lines, then yes i totally agree!! Ban this person IF he is indeed a terrorist, but he is just a child that was angry about what Obummer said! Obummer shud have more

The reporters even said themselves he was just ordinary child or just a youngster... so why ban him forever? He is not a terrorist at all! He has no record of doing such a thing anyway!

I bet he doesn't even own a f***ing water pistol never mind an actual gun capable of killing some1! So what the hell!?

I personally think the American people are totally sick and tired of all the crazy governments that they have had to put up with... i feel sorry for the American people that have to deal with this madness... it must be emberassing for many Americans.

The USA people need to get rid of this Obama guy pronto! He is flat out dangerous and can't take criticism at all or who ever did the ban.

Apparently, Obama did not see the message, it was sent to the Whitehouse. And I think I recall reading that Obama did not ban the pisser, it was the Brits. I tried Google and there are lots of theories. BTW, there are many reasons one can be banned from the U.S. of A.

I did see his picture on the web, and he is most definitely not a child.

As for getting rid of him, we intend to, next election.

Bob Maxey

 

[Martimus]

Andwhyhas the rest of the world not seen this email you ask? The real question is: why is what he said such a big issue here?.... he has not hurt anyone physically so why get your nappy all wet about it and foolishly bann some1 for life from the USA which is what Obummer did, This is pretty crazy imo...

In my opinion this is the key issue here. We simply do not know what the boy wrote in his email to Obama. He could have called Obama a "pr1ck" as was initially reported or he could have threatened physical harm. We simply do not know the specific details of what was contained in that email.

Sorry it is defintely not justified imo... i think it is crazy madness.

Until more is know about the specific contents of that email I'm not sure that this statement is valid. If he called the President an idiot then maybe this is too much of a knee jerk reaction. On the other hand, if he threatened harm to Obama's family then maybe there is some justification to the actions.

What seems to be happening here is that we are attempting to judge this case in the World court of public opinion... with no physical evidence and an awful lot of opinion and conjecture.

According to this article in the BBC the boy's emailed contained lots of abusive and threatening language:

BBC News - Obama e-mail teenager gets US ban

In his local community paper it was first reported that he called Obama a "pr1ck". When a reporter asked if he thought that the punishment was extreme he then indicated that he had been more abusive than that.

Bedfordshire Local News, Local News Headlines in Bedford | Bedfordshire Newspaper Online | Teen is banned from USA over Obama hate email

This article in the Bedfordshire local news seems to be the earliest report of the incident in the media. I haven't yet found an earlier reporting of the incident but will continue to look.

 

[riffdex]

Reading through this thread, I've seen some pretty ignorant comments (no offence to those who made them). If you honestly think Obama personally read this email and then decided to ban the guy from the US, you do not understand at all how the US legal or political systems work.

This is completely insane!

How can someone (Obummer) be so imature and bann a child forever from the states? That childs life is now ruined!

And what about freedom of expression? He did not attempt to murder / hurt anyone... why is this an issue?

Are there any lawyers here that can show me what the crazy law says about the situation here...?

This reminds me of South Africa.... there was a kid that pulled the finger at Jacob Zuma during a rally.... he got thrown in prison...

This is just plain crazy!

This comment especially made me laugh. How could Obama be so immature! Everyone knows the president has the first say about anyone getting banned from the US. There certainly isn't a more complex legal system in place. And honestly dude, he's banned from the US. SO WHAT? You're saying his life is ruined now? There are hundreds of millions of people who were born in other countries and lived complete, fulfilling lives without ever visiting the US. Obviously people make mistakes, and I don't think this guy should be banned from the US. But his life isn't ruined as you said.

 

[Bob Maxey]

And honestly dude, he's banned from the US. SO WHAT? You're saying his life is ruined now? There are hundreds of millions of people who were born in other countries and lived complete, fulfilling lives without ever visiting the US. Obviously people make mistakes, and I don't think this guy should be banned from the US. But his life isn't ruined as you said.

Unless he wants a job that requires a security clearance in his country or perhaps he is being considered for a job that requires him to relocate to the Unites States.

Who knows how this ban can affect him years from now.

Bob Maxey

 

[riffdex]

Unless he wants a job that requires a security clearance in his country or perhaps he is being considered for a job that requires him to relocate to the Unites States.

Who knows how this ban can affect him years from now.

Bob Maxey

Oh, I totally agree, it's not fair. But his life is far from being ruined. If that were the case, then hopefully he would have the skills and education to find an alternative job.

 

[byteware]

@ Bob Maxey

Look dude, i don't mean to be rude here but,

the kid's own privacy has been violated

If the kid was minding his own business, then YES, his privacy was violated.

If the kid for instance, sent a threatening letter to an elected government official... then NO, he violated his own privacy.

the kid did something bad, and got his name in the papers. It's not like he's some little victim who was sitting at home and the government decided to pick on him

 

[gallandof]

one thing i dont get is sure the kid potentially threatened the president which isnt right. but at the same time look at all these political shows on TV where all they do is insult and threaten the opposing parties to me thats much more damaging then anything else. and if every threat/insult to a president were acted upon im sure 40% of the US population would be in jail, and 50% of LEGAL immigrants wouldnt make it into the country.

im sorry for slightly going off topic here, but i always find myself thinking, damn I hate being an American sometimes.

 

[CuBz]

If I was Barrack, I would have found the email humorous, I effeminately wouldn't of had him banned from the country, that's a bit extreme.

On the other hand, he has to take things like that seriously, for security reasons

 

[Martimus]

If I was Barrack, I would have found the email humorous, I effeminately wouldn't of had him banned from the country, that's a bit extreme.

On the other hand, he has to take things like that seriously, for security reasons

Odds are that unless the kid found Obama's private email address to his blackberry, Obama never, initially at least, saw the email. His public email is screened by his staff so a staff member would have been the first to read the message.

 

[byteware]

Odds are that unless the kid found Obama's private email address to his blackberry, Obama never, initially at least, saw the email. His public email is screened by his staff so a staff member would have been the first to read the message.

And All emails to/from/between government officials are public record (eventually).

 

[mcatdtDROID]

Unless he wants a job that requires a security clearance in his country or perhaps he is being considered for a job that requires him to relocate to the Unites States.

Who knows how this ban can affect him years from now.

Bob Maxey

it's the same way a DUI can prevent you from getting professional jobs later in life too. I dare you to try and get a teaching job with a drug charge conviction of any level of drug.

But, don't confuse this as feeling bad for the kid. He is of sound mind, he's old enough to know better, and old enough to be held accountable.

Everyone loves to dismiss this threat as laughable,

"I'd just laugh it off"

The POTUS (or any world leader) just can't LAUGH off threats, no matter how jokeable people try to play them off after the fact.

I also think people are justifying it because it's Obama and they don't like his policies.

I don't care who the world leader is, you can't assassinate them. Such things have started world wars. You can't threaten them, such things have caused world wars.

EVERY THREAT is taken seriously. You can't judge the level of threat by the type of person that makes it. Sometimes, the goofiest, least likely ones are the ones that actually do it. And then everyone is pissed because "all the signs were there and noone took them seriously"

Lee Harvey Oswald was, by all accounts, a loser
John Hinkley was weird
this kid, could easily have carried out the same things as those two.

And of course, 19 y.o Princip has to be pointed out YET AGAIN. But forgetting history is a common theme for this board I guess

 

[riffdex]

it's the same way a DUI can prevent you from getting professional jobs later in life too. I dare you to try and get a teaching job with a drug charge conviction of any level of drug.

But, don't confuse this as feeling bad for the kid. He is of sound mind, he's old enough to know better, and old enough to be held accountable.

Everyone loves to dismiss this threat as laughable,

"I'd just laugh it off"

The POTUS (or any world leader) just can't LAUGH off threats, no matter how jokeable people try to play them off after the fact.

I also think people are justifying it because it's Obama and they don't like his policies.

I don't care who the world leader is, you can't assassinate them. Such things have started world wars. You can't threaten them, such things have caused world wars.

EVERY THREAT is taken seriously. You can't judge the level of threat by the type of person that makes it. Sometimes, the goofiest, least likely ones are the ones that actually do it. And then everyone is pissed because "all the signs were there and noone took them seriously"

Lee Harvey Oswald was, by all accounts, a loser
John Hinkley was weird
this kid, could easily have carried out the same things as those two.

And of course, 19 y.o Princip has to be pointed out YET AGAIN. But forgetting history is a common theme for this board I guess

The reality is, this has nothing to do with Obama. He most likely didn't even see the email originally, and even if he did, he does not have direct say over who is banned from the US or not. There are policies in place for things like this, these policies have been in place for years, and have applied under multiple administrations. The feds take national security very seriously nowadays (that includes the safety of the president). All I can say is, why would anyone think it's a good idea to send an inflammatory email to the feds?

 

[mcatdtDROID]

the reality is, this has nothing to do with obama. He most likely didn't even see the email originally, and even if he did, he does not have direct say over who is banned from the us or not. There are policies in place for things like this, these policies have been in place for years, and have applied under multiple administrations. The feds take national security very seriously nowadays (that includes the safety of the president). All i can say is, why would anyone think it's a good idea to send an inflammatory email to the feds?

exactly!!!!

 

[Martimus]

And All emails to/from/between government officials are public record (eventually).

The key word here being "eventually"...