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Fanboys are great

zuben el genub said:
If you want fanboys - check out cameras. Canon/Nikon owners can get positively rabid!
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Hey, this I know. Spent considerable time selling cameras and in my experience, the Nikon Fanboys were the worse. But... this was pre-Internet and Nikon's reputation as the only camera worth a darn ran rampant. The term "Fanboy" really did not exist.

I recall arguments by Canon and Nikon folks that were often baseless and inaccurate. Just people asking Mr. Google about this and that and then posting incorrect information to support an ill-formed opinion.

Like a heated discussion about a "special" polarizer only Canon had that I know for a fact was not make by Canon and not a dyed in the mass filter as some proclaimed; all such filters are film between glass.

But I digress.

I have grown to admire the Apple Corporation because they have Fanboys and other companies likely want Fanboys that will buy Apple with their last dollar and during their last day on earth.

I am a Leica/Hasselblad/Linhoff/Bessa Rangefinder Fanboy, but I could demonstrate just how superior a Leica is to a Nikon. At least in those days.

So what the heck do you call a Fanboy who happens to be demonstrably right? Would Android Fanboys be welcome or just annoying?

Bob Maxey
 
Here is my definition of a fanboy.

Fanboy - a person who fails to see the qualities in the competition because he/she legitimately believes there are none. Such a person needs no justification nor does he/she give one. His/her chouce is simply the only logical and acceptable one.
 
Vihzel said:
^ from being on there for a short while, I can tell that there really is no difference between Apple owners and Android owners. There are definitely sane and intelligent people on both sides. A lot of people there used to own Android devices like there are quite a few people here that used to own the iPhone.
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I see a lot more fanboyism (is that a word?) on macrumors and modmyi than I do here... FAR more. In fact so much more, that I almost (not quite) feel inclined to say I disagree with you.
 
xmr405o said:
Hate is such a strong word that shouldn't be used on non trivial topics. It's used too often by Fanboys.

Like when people say, I hate Steve Jobs or I hate Google. Really??? The only way I can possible say I hate someone or something is if they did something super horrible to me directly.
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Yeah you just have to take it with a grain of salt when people talk that way about other people/things. The two most abused words in the english dictionary are 'hate' and 'love'. They are meant to represent the two extremes of the scale, but people rarely use any discriptive 'middle of the road' words or phrases to describe anything at all really. If you went by the majority of people opinions you would get the impression that all there is out there are 1's and 10's... no 2 through 9's.

But anyway, I guess I probably could have guessed that there were several rational, intelligent Apple lovers roaming around out there. I just have never spent time on an Apple forum, so I haven't seen them. I've just heard all the complaints about the Apple fanboys. But I'm sure the accounts of Android fanboys are just as exaggerated over there.

Which isn't to say they don't exist by any means. I see plenty of them running around here on a daily basis. And they turn me off as much as any Apple fanboy, NASCAR fanboy, or WWF fanboy. Like the OP said, 'fanboys' (period) are great!


















... wait, WWF fanboys might be a wee bit more annoying than others when arguing about the best 'wrestler' of all time. As very few of the men in that profession have any experience in actual wrestling, and are simply body builders who can read a script and choreograph a live performance well. Thank God for Ultimate Fighting, as it has taken the majority of WWF fans and given them something real to believe in!
 
Bob Maxey said:
So what the heck do you call a Fanboy who happens to be demonstrably right? Would Android Fanboys be welcome or just annoying?
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My opinion is that what you speak of doesn't exist. A 'fan' who gives an intelligent account of why HE likes a cerain product better than the competition is usually an interesting read. My personal definition of a 'fanboy' however is someone who fails to give the competition any of the credit that it is due. Any direct competitors of a product you admire are bound to have some admirable trait as well, or has at least done something right somewhere down the line or it wouldn't even be on the radar.

And personally I find the automatic dismissal of any such acknowledgement, combined with the turning of a blind eye to any weaknesses in the product the fanboy is endorsing as quite ignorant, and consequently annoying.
 
lordofthereef said:
Here is my definition of a fanboy.

Fanboy - a person who fails to see the qualities in the competition because he/she legitimately believes there are none. Such a person needs no justification nor does he/she give one. His/her chouce is simply the only logical and acceptable one.
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That works for me.

Bob Maxey
 
I think that might be the reasoning in some cases. In other cases I feel like fanboys are somewhat envious of the competition and feel threatened by them. So they go out of their way to vilify them in order to make themselves feel better about their brand of choice.
 
I think Excessive/Compulsive Fanboyism should be a Mental diagnosis. :D

Someone should do a case study on them, they probably have a lot of other issues that they'll uncover.
 
A.Nonymous said:
A fanboy is a fanboy is a fanboy. I've found that Apple's tend to be the worst because there are so many of them, they're so vocal and so quick to pull out the pitchfork and torch too. That is a bear you do not want to poke generally speaking.
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I pissed off an iDouche one time when I forkbombed his Macbook. The guy never caught up to me when I ran even though he is 6 foot 2 and I'm 5 foot 8.
 
I've found one universal quality of all fanboys is simple blindness. They are completely blind to any weaknesses in their own product/thing they're a fan of and are completely blind to any advantages in a competitor. I ran into an Apple fanboy recently who stated that the centralized notifications that Android does are a horrible design flaw because they suck the battery life. iOS having no centralized notifications is a major feature to him. The guy hates anything non-Apple and went off on a rant the other day because a software vendor at work doesn't support Mac and has no offerings for Mac. He once went to our boss and advocated that we switch an entire office from Microsoft products to Mac products. When I say switch I'm talking about everything from the server to the desktops switched over from Microsoft to Mac. Why? Because they are "better products" was his argument. The boss pointed out that we would have a much harder time supporting such a configuration and we might have serious issues with compatibility problems between the one office running Mac and the other offices running Microsoft not to mention dealing with lots of user confusion. He didn't see how either would be a problem and is still convinced that the boss was wrong to stick with Microsoft from the server on down. It's quite entertaining at times.
 
When my ex-fiancee and I were together, running her photography studio, we very much wanted to switch over to Apple computers and software because they really are better suited for editing and all that stuff associated with the photography business. Most studios do run Macs. The only problem was that it was a HUGE initial investment since she had built up everything on a Microsoft network.

It's a shame that Apple products cost so much because it makes it hard for smaller operations such as ours to use them. I wasn't with her when she started the studio, but I'd imagine her initial budget was pretty tight, so when looking at the options in place, I can imagine she was probably steered into Microsoft because of money.

Her son-in-law had an even smaller photography operation of his own going, and he was on Mac and raved about the simplicity of work-flow. But the only reason he was able to get his own business at all was because he hit $20,000 dollars on a scratch off ticket and bought all of his equipment with that. Some people have all the luck!
 
Yeah, you can get an SBS server and be up and ready to host your own email, files, etc... for $2-5k and be set. Macs are way more expensive than that. The fanboy will say that's because they're "higher quality."
 
Yeah I see what you're saying, but we didn't want to buy into Mac because we viewed them as 'higher quality', Apple just really is in tune with the photography industry. Work flow when editing, sorting, and finishing a large batch of photo's is just smoother on Macs than on Microsoft computers. And everyone knows in business, 'time is money'. We often worked much longer hours than just about anyone working a normal job. Up at 6:30 am, I often was still editing at 11:00 at night. No movies, no tv, no nothing, just work. I would have killed to have been able to shave even an hour a day off of my working day by using a faster work flow solution.

And Macs are that solution. You just have to hit a $20,000 dollar lottery ticket in order to do it. We couldn't do a slow transition into Apple, by like buying her a Mac while I stayed on my PC because we had to be connected, it all had to flow together. And Macs and PC's don't play nice like that. It's an all or nothing situation. So we had to soldier on with our PC's.

I will say one thing though... once we switched over to Windows 7.... VAST improvement. Not quite Mac speed work flow, but much, much improved over XP (never used Vista, it was worse than XP!).
 
Outlaw71 said:
Yeah I see what you're saying, but we didn't want to buy into Mac because we viewed them as 'higher quality', Apple just really is in tune with the photography industry. Work flow when editing, sorting, and finishing a large batch of photo's is just smoother on Macs than on Microsoft computers. And everyone knows in business, 'time is money'. We often worked much longer hours than just about anyone working a normal job. Up at 6:30 am, I often was still editing at 11:00 at night. No movies, no tv, no nothing, just work. I would have killed to have been able to shave even an hour a day off of my working day by using a faster work flow solution.

And Macs are that solution. You just have to hit a $20,000 dollar lottery ticket in order to do it. We couldn't do a slow transition into Apple, by like buying her a Mac while I stayed on my PC because we had to be connected, it all had to flow together. And Macs and PC's don't play nice like that. It's an all or nothing situation. So we had to soldier on with our PC's.

I will say one thing though... once we switched over to Windows 7.... VAST improvement. Not quite Mac speed work flow, but much, much improved over XP (never used Vista, it was worse than XP!).
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Just curious, but how is a Mac better suited for photography than an Windows box? Better software?

Unfortunately, my photographic interests and needs are best served with a dark room and a tray of Dektol. As for color work, more trays and more liquids.

Bob Maxey
 
Well on TJ's Macs he demonstrated taking a 16 gig card, transferring all of his RAW files onto his desktop, then doing batch actions and editing in Camera RAW 5.0 at the speed of ****ing light, then transferring it to his hard drive like it was an after thought.

We were using the same software (Photoshop, Custom Suite 4), but transferring all those RAW files was like watching two snails racing on sand paper. If you haven't messed with DSLR camera's, you can either shoot in JPEG or RAW mode. Professionals will almost always shoot in RAW because there is so much more information in them you can tweak them so much more. But RAW files are HUGE compared to JPEGs. And even though we maxed out the RAM in our PC's and bought the fastest graphics cards we could get, moving them around on our PCs was an exercise in futility.

The speed at which TJ could move those things around on his MAC astounded us. And we were shooting with 20D's (8.5 mega pixel) while he shot with a 50D (12.5 mega pixels). So his RAW files were 50% larger than ours!
 
Outlaw71 said:
Well on TJ's Macs he demonstrated taking a 16 gig card, transferring all of his RAW files onto his desktop, then doing batch actions and editing in Camera RAW 5.0 at the speed of ****ing light, then transferring it to his hard drive like it was an after thought.

We were using the same software (Photoshop, Custom Suite 4), but transferring all those RAW files was like watching two snails racing on sand paper. If you haven't messed with DSLR camera's, you can either shoot in JPEG or RAW mode. Professionals will almost always shoot in RAW because there is so much more information in them you can tweak them so much more. But RAW files are HUGE compared to JPEGs. And even though we maxed out the RAM in our PC's and bought the fastest graphics cards we could get, moving them around on our PCs was an exercise in futility.

The speed at which TJ could move those things around on his MAC astounded us. And we were shooting with 20D's (8.5 mega pixel) while he shot with a 50D (12.5 mega pixels). So his RAW files were 50% larger than ours!
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I know about RAW V. Jpeg. Not totally clueless and one day, I'll bite the bullet and go digital. With a growing lack of film, it is getting harder to avoid digital. Also, the techniques I would like to use are unavailable to me because lack of materials killed me and there are simply no digital replacements. So I see a silver free life not too far away. So very sad.:(

I would love a Leica-S, however.:p

I have a co-producer with a new Hasselblad on order that is supposed to be quite something at 30MP plus. I still cannot believe that a Mac is unquestionably a better platform for the digital photographer.

Not trying to argue (Well, it looks that way, Bob...) just e-wondering out e-loud.

Bob Maxey
 
Im a mac guy, and i'll never buy an iphone.

Never been a microsoft guy.

But they all have their advantages and draw backs.
 
No computing devices are perfect. I am typing this on a Macbook which I hate. I use a PC at work that I also hate(for different reasons). I have an ipod Touch which is soso(it is really my 2yr old daughter's toy). I love my Dinc, but the Dinc also has flaws.
 
Bob Maxey said:
I would love a Leica-S, however.:p
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<drool>

I have a co-producer with a new Hasselblad on order
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<double-drool>

I still cannot believe that a Mac is unquestionably a better platform for the digital photographer.
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I think today it's all about software. A few years ago Apple's 'Aperture' was revolutionary for its ease-of-workflow, plus Macs had Firewire when PCs made do with USB. Today, with USB2/3 connections for external storage and the likes of Adobe's 'Lightroom' available for PC the hardware platform advantage has disappeared.

I think it's fair to say, though, that Apple gave the digital imaging market a much-needed kick up the backside.
 
Bob Maxey said:
I know about RAW V. Jpeg. Not totally clueless and one day, I'll bite the bullet and go digital. With a growing lack of film, it is getting harder to avoid digital. Also, the techniques I would like to use are unavailable to me because lack of materials killed me and there are simply no digital replacements. So I see a silver free life not too far away. So very sad. :(
Bob Maxey
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Well I think having waited this long really did yourself a favor as digital has caught up. My ex still has several of the prints up that she took with her $10,000 Hasselblad before the digital revolution, and they are spectacular. The images we can get with a Canon 20D is pretty awesome, but not that awesome. Now the Canon 5D Mark II is on another level from either of them. It's a 25 mega pixel (which of course in no was equates to better pictures, there are a lot more ingredients to that recipe), full frame DSLR that captures jaw-on-the-floor, devastating gorgeous images.

I'd take it over any $10,000 dollar film camera on the market, and it's only $2500 for the body.
 
Late to the thread, lol. I don't really understand fanboys either. I'm not a fanboy...fangirl of anything. I must admit that I do jump on the anti-Apple band wagon because it's entertaining, lol. I like the product and if another product comes out that beats the current one, I'll like that too. To me you should not bad mouth a company until you have substantially USED EVERY SINGLE product that company has to offer. You can say, 'Samsung's Galaxy S suck for me because of the GPS' but because of that issue you shouldn't say, 'Android sucks and I'll never use Android again'. This just shows the person's narrow mindedness. I don't understand why these people understand what works for you does not work for everyone else.
jamor said:
lol Vihzel is in that thread - He's famous!
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haha, I know, I'm checking out his posts there now. Well for the first 3 minutes until I got bored, lol.

Outlaw71 said:
Ok, that rant sucked. I'm sure an intelligent and legitimate list of knocks on Android could easily be written. Although I love my DX and the Android OS that powers it, it's still far from perfect and still very open to criticism.
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But I'll tell you what REALLY impressed me with that that thread was that quite a few Apple owners actually came to the defense of Android and called out the OP. It was funny how a thread bashing Android descended into an argument about Microsoft... those guys are just as A.D.D. as we are!

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Yes I noticed how the thread went back to the topic of choice on that Forum: Mac vs. Windows, lol. I would love to see a marriage of some Android features with Apple features. As Apple will NEVER EVER (well almost, they did make iOS multitasking) make their iOS anything like Android. :rolleyes: We want the OEM to carry over some features that is surperior in iOS...but of course fanboys will only say 'but Android is only copying from Apple'. What I think, is taking something from Apple and making it better ;)

Although I think we're more ADD then they are...like how the heck did the coversation steer towards camera? Atlease Mac vs Windows is similar to iOS vs Android :p
 
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