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"Gay Androids" at Pride Parade Chicago
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Then I suggest that you make the next one more obvious. Or even humourous.
Nice how my posts were deleted but others were kept up. Keep up the good work
I prefer not to remove posts that my own comments refer to, as it makes my intent clearer. Any other queries, I'll be happy to address them via PM.
As Google is a secular corporation with no ties to any religion, I don't see that having any bearing on their decision.
p.s. my gay male work colleagues use the same toilet facilities I do - they're homosexuals not transsexuals.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
mpw, I gotta say, this has got to be the most logic post you've made on here. Awesome & digital applause.
See this makes the most sense, Why should people who can't afford marriage, or just don't want that kind of commitment (or legal burden in that case) receive extra benefits for doing so? Marriage should solely be a religious thing, and the state should not be involved what-so-ever. Instead, they should allow inexpensive(or even free) "civil unions" for everybody, and another system to allow people to share those same benefits without one. If two people of any race, creed, sex, etc want to share liabilities/legalities/finances, as long as they are of sound mind and appropriate age, who are we, or anyone to deny them that?
I personally do. And I think it's a genetic defect. If we were wired to go one way or another, the procreation of the species would have been drastically slowed. We are built for reproduction... that is the meaning of life.
EDIT: I'll be continuing this in another thread, the Gay rights one.
http://androidforums.com/lounge/115620-gay-rights.html#post1077784
You kind of answer your own question; the legal burden of responsibility to look after each other, could be argued reduces the risk to the State of having to step in and fund your welfare should you find yourself in a position not to be able to support yourself; therefore an argument can be made that as you're less of a potential burden on the tax-payer, shouldn't you benefit from less of a burden of taxation?
I would suggest you read it again, it really doesn't make much sense.
What I was trying to make clear was why there could be an argument for offering and benefits at all, which wasn't clear you understood from that paragraph.
What you seem to be trying to say is that there should be differentiation between 'marriages', 'civil unions' and a third 'unnamed group of joint liability', and that somehow the same legal benefits would be available to each group, but that the cost and liabilities would differ??? Quite why you offer the same benefits to different groups, but with unequal liability I can't figure out.
I mentioned this in the other (now closed) thread, but Social and Cultural History of Marriage is a very interesting read on both the history of marriage both gay and straight as well as its implications on society at large.
As for the Google in the Gay Pride parade, I will say that corporations have done this so many times over. Be it at the Veterans parade, Labor Day, Puerto Rican, German, Polish, Turkey, Dominican, or any other of the hundred parades here in NYC. People see their advertisements, their banners, their shirts etc. In fact except for the Turkey parade, I've seen gay groups in all of them. As open minded and as large as Google is, one simply cannot believe that it will not have among its rank homosexuals that are proud of their company, product and themselves. Kudos for them to be brave enough in this society that is still full of hate and fear to show off their pride.
TS out
TS
Frisco
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I agree and have been trying to point that out (starting in post #19) in this and the other Gay Rights thread.. it seems to be passed over quickly by those opposed to gay marriage, etc.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Trying to stay on topic I will say that I think it is great that Google supports and/or chooses to advertise with the Gay community. It makes me very proud to use Android, gmail, etc. I am going to start sending some of these links to my gay friends that choose to support Apple. Just to start trouble.
As far as the comments about people leaving their "lifestyle" or "sexuality" at home. It really isn't as easy as all that. Most straight people go to work and talk with their coworkers/bosses about their weekends or what they did last night. Some will talk about their wives/husbands and their kids. They will talk about their boyfriends or girlfriends and how they went to this new restaurant or went to this movie. When you are gay it is a little harder to engage in those conversations without your sexuality coming into the conversation in some way. Unless you are willing to lie to those around you all the time and refer to your "friend" or "roommate" then it is unavoidable to bring your partner, girlfriend or boyfriend into the conversation. You either avoid all such conversations with your coworkers or you "flaunt" your homosexuality and offend the more intolerant in your midsts. I have tried both and was almost fired from one job because people thought I was being a bitch when I avoided talking about my personal life and admit it, you would too. When I "revealed" my sexuality at my current job (we are a VERY diverse group) everyone was fine with it (with the exception of one or two people). There really are so many things that straight people overlook when it comes to gay relationships. What many consider flaunting is just normal interaction in most cases. If I hug or kiss my girlfriend at an office party, it is a natural thing for me to do. It is no different than any of you kissing your spouse/gf/bf in the same way. I do understand that there are extremes and fully making out with my girlfriend would be a little different (although I don't think many of the guys in my office would object all that strongly). Still, I do have to be more than a little aware of what is going on and who is present when it comes to work.
Just 2 cents from an open lesbian.
As far as the comments about people leaving their "lifestyle" or "sexuality" at home. It really isn't as easy as all that. Most straight people go to work and talk with their coworkers/bosses about their weekends or what they did last night. Some will talk about their wives/husbands and their kids. They will talk about their boyfriends or girlfriends and how they went to this new restaurant or went to this movie. When you are gay it is a little harder to engage in those conversations without your sexuality coming into the conversation in some way. Unless you are willing to lie to those around you all the time and refer to your "friend" or "roommate" then it is unavoidable to bring your partner, girlfriend or boyfriend into the conversation. You either avoid all such conversations with your coworkers or you "flaunt" your homosexuality and offend the more intolerant in your midsts. I have tried both and was almost fired from one job because people thought I was being a bitch when I avoided talking about my personal life and admit it, you would too. When I "revealed" my sexuality at my current job (we are a VERY diverse group) everyone was fine with it (with the exception of one or two people). There really are so many things that straight people overlook when it comes to gay relationships. What many consider flaunting is just normal interaction in most cases. If I hug or kiss my girlfriend at an office party, it is a natural thing for me to do. It is no different than any of you kissing your spouse/gf/bf in the same way. I do understand that there are extremes and fully making out with my girlfriend would be a little different (although I don't think many of the guys in my office would object all that strongly
). Still, I do have to be more than a little aware of what is going on and who is present when it comes to work.Just 2 cents from an open lesbian.
Vihzel
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I agree with OfTheDamned on her points. You have it easier though since you're a lesbian.
Straight guys love homosexuals... as long as they're lesbian. 2 guys together and it's the most revolting thing and they should be sent to hell. I know that's a stereotype, but I'm just saying that I have seen it time and time again IN PERSON and quite a few times right in my face. Verbal and physical abuse is not uncommon to me just because of that. It seems to only happen from straight men... never from women. Most women I've encountered actually love me and often want to hang around with me more because I am gay. lol A gay man is a woman's best friend.
But back to what OfTheDamned was talking about... I see it myself at the business that I work at over the summer. Workers often talk about their spouses because it's a bit more of a relaxed atmosphere and no one has any issues with it. I feel like I have to keep my mouth sealed though because I'm afraid of how they would treat me and how the atmosphere will change simply because I'm there. I've had "friends" turn away from me because I am homosexual. I'm not a "flamer" and it takes a while to actually notice that I'm "different" because I don't fit a lot of the stereotypes surrounding the gay community (other than being fashionable and keeping myself looking tidy)
It's so commonplace to talk about happened over the weekend, ask about how the wife and kids are doing, and so forth. Regular watercooler talk. For a gay person though... it's like some kind of taboo topic.
I agree with OfTheDamned on her points. You have it easier though since you're a lesbian.
Straight guys love homosexuals... as long as they're lesbian. 2 guys together and it's the most revolting thing and they should be sent to hell. I know that's a stereotype, but I'm just saying that I have seen it time and time again IN PERSON and quite a few times right in my face. Verbal and physical abuse is not uncommon to me just because of that. It seems to only happen from straight men... never from women. Most women I've encountered actually love me and often want to hang around with me more because I am gay. lol A gay man is a woman's best friend. But back to what OfTheDamned was talking about... I see it myself at the business that I work at over the summer. Workers often talk about their spouses because it's a bit more of a relaxed atmosphere and no one has any issues with it. I feel like I have to keep my mouth sealed though because I'm afraid of how they would treat me and how the atmosphere will change simply because I'm there. I've had "friends" turn away from me because I am homosexual. I'm not a "flamer" and it takes a while to actually notice that I'm "different" because I don't fit a lot of the stereotypes surrounding the gay community (other than being fashionable and keeping myself looking tidy)
It's so commonplace to talk about happened over the weekend, ask about how the wife and kids are doing, and so forth. Regular watercooler talk. For a gay person though... it's like some kind of taboo topic.
G.Armour
You know you want to.
Ok, not meaning to stray off topic, but I'm curious as to why quite a few people are more apt to accept gay girls and not gay guys? I've heard it more times than I can count, "I don't see a problem with lesbians because they like the same thing that I do"- coming from guys. IMO that kinda makes them sound like a Hippocrate because if u accept one, you would think you need to accept the other.
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Do you mean 'revealed'; because when talking about sex (homo, or hetero) if I relieved myself at work it'd raise eyebrows!
I accept pretty much any persons choice regardless of combination or orientation, but women's bodies are just better looking; so the imagery is nicer with lesbians. Given the choice I'd like to see four boobies squashing together, rather than the jousting of even the best looking pair of cocks.
Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
From what I've been told from my lesbian and gay friends... and no we don't all get together and have a big homo party...
Straight guys like lesbians because well... that's self explanatory.
Straight women don't exactly see lesbians the same way though...
Straight women like gay men because of several reasons. Some of them are that they have someone to talk to about relationship problems and could get a "male" perspective, great shopping partner (I could do a whole day easily), great person to ask for advice, and so forth.
Straight men don't exactly see gay men the same way though...
It's a long explanation that I could write a whole page on but just to keep it short...
The way that a large chunk of straight men see gay men as is the same as the way a large chunk of straight women see lesbians as.
You want the simple lying answer or the long and truthful one.
Simple: Thats how its always been.
Long: My take on it is that, straight men (in general), love the fantasy of seeing two women making out and him joining into the fray. Satisfying his fantasy of being able to please two women (whether or not that is true) at the same time. Whether its kissing, making out or holding hands, society tends to accept it if the two are women. With guys, its more touchy with guys due to our upbringing, (environment, society views, family, religion, etc) that tend to look at it as being less of a man, etc etc. They feel threatened with their own sexuality.
I feel that if one is comfortable with who they are that they should not be threatened.
LMAO
Why? You don't do that at work. I do. Specially when my boss is next to me. lol
in all seriousness, OTD made a very good point. Society in general takes a lot for granted. Its simply not that simple. Most straights can talk at the office about their spouses, most gays do not for fear of losing their jobs, friends etc. Some don't even attend work gatherings due to that.
TS out
Vihzel
Destroying Balls Everyday
I must say in a separate post that I believe a lot of the dislike towards homosexuals (both men and women), excluding religion, comes from fear. Now I'm not saying like "Gays scare the sh*t out of me" kind of fear... I mean fear as in "fear of the unknown and what you can't really understand". I've had many people who left me because I am a homosexual, but I've also had many people who weren't too comfortable with me at first, but then really became close friends once they got to know me better.
My best and favorite example is my current roommate. When I first met him last year in September, he was definitely homophobic. It almost got to the point where he was looking for a place to move to. We really did not get along because he didn't like me for who I was. He couldn't move out because his mother wasn't allowing him to for money reasons, breaking the contract, and some other smaller reasons. He's a stereotypical "redneck" from Indiana who's going to the same school as me. Long story short, he renewed his contract to live in the same apartment as me for this upcoming school semester in May. He's going to get married this November and wants me to be one of the groomsmen. It's amazing how things change once you actually get to know someone of a different culture, race, sexual orientation, and so forth.
He and I will hopefully be "friends for life" (as he said two times when he's been drunk) lol
My best and favorite example is my current roommate. When I first met him last year in September, he was definitely homophobic. It almost got to the point where he was looking for a place to move to. We really did not get along because he didn't like me for who I was. He couldn't move out because his mother wasn't allowing him to for money reasons, breaking the contract, and some other smaller reasons. He's a stereotypical "redneck" from Indiana who's going to the same school as me. Long story short, he renewed his contract to live in the same apartment as me for this upcoming school semester in May. He's going to get married this November and wants me to be one of the groomsmen.
It's amazing how things change once you actually get to know someone of a different culture, race, sexual orientation, and so forth.He and I will hopefully be "friends for life" (as he said two times when he's been drunk) lol
G.Armour
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Good story man... honestly ppl may read all that I wrote in the 2 threads we had about this and think I'm a homophobe.. which to some degree may be tru. But I am a very opened minded person, and I don't judge anyone.. Its just on a subject where I am trying to win a debate I start trying to take low blows to win if I have to... (I don't mean to, it just happens)
But I have known alot of guys and girls that are gay, one of my wife's best friends is a gay guy, eh I don't talk to him all that much, but that's cause I don't know him all that well and I'm like that with everyone.. But I think 1 huge reason guys don't accept is exactly what someone else said, fear. They are scared that if they talk to a gay guy, are they gonna be considered gay? And if they are not sure of who they are, if they talk to a gay guy, would they really find out that they to are gay? It boils down to one being secure with theirselves.. I just hope one day that everyone can get along together and that everyone can be happy and treated fairly in and out of the workplace in all aspects. Well there's my opinion. Take it or leave it..
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But I have known alot of guys and girls that are gay, one of my wife's best friends is a gay guy, eh I don't talk to him all that much, but that's cause I don't know him all that well and I'm like that with everyone.. But I think 1 huge reason guys don't accept is exactly what someone else said, fear. They are scared that if they talk to a gay guy, are they gonna be considered gay? And if they are not sure of who they are, if they talk to a gay guy, would they really find out that they to are gay? It boils down to one being secure with theirselves.. I just hope one day that everyone can get along together and that everyone can be happy and treated fairly in and out of the workplace in all aspects. Well there's my opinion. Take it or leave it..
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OfTheDamned
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I agree with OfTheDamned on her points. You have it easier though since you're a lesbian.
But back to what OfTheDamned was talking about... I see it myself at the business that I work at over the summer. Workers often talk about their spouses because it's a bit more of a relaxed atmosphere and no one has any issues with it. I feel like I have to keep my mouth sealed though because I'm afraid of how they would treat me and how the atmosphere will change simply because I'm there. I've had "friends" turn away from me because I am homosexual. I'm not a "flamer" and it takes a while to actually notice that I'm "different" because I don't fit a lot of the stereotypes surrounding the gay community (other than being fashionable and keeping myself looking tidy)
It's so commonplace to talk about happened over the weekend, ask about how the wife and kids are doing, and so forth. Regular watercooler talk. For a gay person though... it's like some kind of taboo topic.
I totally agree. Lesbians, especially girly ones have it much easier than gay men do. The simple fact that lesbian is a term for gay women and gay men just have the words gay or homosexual (which obviously applies to both sexes) points to societies more accepting nature of gay women over gay men. The posts following your also point to this as well as do my following comments. If I were "butch" or my girlfriend was we would probably be less accepted though as many of my other friends are.
Straight men are more accepting of "lipstick" lesbians because deep down many of them still hold the idea that all they need is "one good man" to set them "straight". I'm not saying that is the case universally, but it is the case with many. Speaking from experience here.
Also take a look at mainstream movies or porn and you will see a bunch of women together and it is considered for the straight masses. If you look at a porn site (we all know we do it) you will see a lesbian category and a gay category as well as many others. In the lesbian category you will find women with women and in the gay category you will find men with men. All throughout the rest of the site you will find girls with girls, but with a guy involved. Just about every straight guy wants to be with two or more women at once. It is basic animal instinct and has to do with spreading you seed and what not. Plus, no offense to anyone, but women are sexy as hell. I am biased of course. lol, yeah I edited that, but just wasn't fast enough I guess. I won't talk about whether I have done that at work or not. I'll talk about my sexuality all day, but not my sex life.
Actually, most of the straight girls I know like to go out with me because I am not considered competition.
I do know several straight women that love gay (man on man) porn though. Most guys that I am friends with love the whole lesbian idea until they realize that I am competition. I went through that in college a lot. Men like the the idea of bi-sexual women in reality. If they really think about the fact that a "real" lesbian doesn't want anything to do with them physically then they change their view a little. If I was involved with even the most amazing woman on earth and she wanted to bring a guy into bed it would put an end to it. Much the same that I imagine many straight guys would have a problem with another man in bed.
Vihzel
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Actually, most of the straight girls I know like to go out with me because I am not considered competition.
Ahhh I've never seen that perspective before! Well... knowledge is power.
lol competition. Some of my closest girl friends like watching gay porn also. They tell me it's because it's something so foreign to them and because there's no women in it.
OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
I must say in a separate post that I believe a lot of the dislike towards homosexuals (both men and women), excluding religion, comes from fear. Now I'm not saying like "Gays scare the sh*t out of me" kind of fear... I mean fear as in "fear of the unknown and what you can't really understand". I've had many people who left me because I am a homosexual, but I've also had many people who weren't too comfortable with me at first, but then really became close friends once they got to know me better.
My best and favorite example is my current roommate. When I first met him last year in September, he was definitely homophobic. It almost got to the point where he was looking for a place to move to. We really did not get along because he didn't like me for who I was. He couldn't move out because his mother wasn't allowing him to for money reasons, breaking the contract, and some other smaller reasons. He's a stereotypical "redneck" from Indiana who's going to the same school as me. Long story short, he renewed his contract to live in the same apartment as me for this upcoming school semester in May. He's going to get married this November and wants me to be one of the groomsmen.
He and I will hopefully be "friends for life" (as he said two times when he's been drunk) lol
I was openly gay at a pretty young age. My family was very accepting and happy for me. My mother just had a problem with a lack of grandchildren and secretly my dad was thrilled at not having to pay for two weddings. lol. I had a number of problems in the locker room at highschool. Quite a bit of name calling and hiding from the other girls. They would almost completely clear the showers when I walked in. I even had a problem with my sister being uncomfortable with me and starting to lock doors which had not happened before. She just recently told me that she felt like she had a brother instead of a sister.
My first assigned roomate in college demanded a transfer as soon as she found out I was gay. She was very religious and took issue with my sexuality right away. She was moved to a room with a girl that smoke pot like a chimney and had a different guy in her room every night. I ended up with Marsha Brady and couldn't have been happier. Fear is the main reason that people have intolerance towards anyone. We all fear what we don't understand. People that are not comfortable with their own sexuality are always going to have problems with gay people. The next time anyone questions whether or not they will become gay from hanging out with a gay person they should stop and reverse it. Will a gay person become straight from hanging out with straight people?
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
I was openly gay at a pretty young age. My family was very accepting and happy for me. My mother just had a problem with a lack of grandchildren and secretly my dad was thrilled at not having to pay for two weddings. lol. I had a number of problems in the locker room at highschool. Quite a bit of name calling and hiding from the other girls. They would almost completely clear the showers when I walked in. I even had a problem with my sister being uncomfortable with me and starting to lock doors which had not happened before. She just recently told me that she felt like she had a brother instead of a sister.
Fear is the main reason that people have intolerance towards anyone. We all fear what we don't understand. People that are not comfortable with their own sexuality are always going to have problems with gay people. The next time anyone questions whether or not they will become gay from hanging out with a gay person they should stop and reverse it. Will a gay person become straight from hanging out with straight people?
And some people are just taught that it's flat-out wrong, and a blasphemy to their faith... and that kind of thing can be a ridiculous barrier to overcome.
More people have been killed in the name of religion than every war in history..
Let not take this to the point of no return now. lets get back on topic (is there a topic, i forgot).
Oh yeah, Gays Androids at Chicago Pride. Speaking of which, I was sort of shocked at some of the comments when Phandroid broke the story "Google and Android Support Gay Pride"
TS
Oh yeah, Gays Androids at Chicago Pride. Speaking of which, I was sort of shocked at some of the comments when Phandroid broke the story "Google and Android Support Gay Pride"
TS
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
Personally, I think Pride in general can be a dangerous thing, as it often ends up in huge fights or worse. Everybody wants theirs, and as someone mentioned, how come there isn't a Straight pride parade, etc.... Highlighting one group of people without the other is bound to stir up some trouble. Even if it's just for one day.