I can see your point on Sense. Without having played with 3.0 I think they went with more eye candy than anything. But Sense has been one of the more in depth and functional UI's in my opinion so maybe the tweaks and such are more under the hood just like Ginger Bread is. Once I get my hands on it I will have a better idea. My point on the TouchWiz was really just a superficial comment on how similar the home screen is to iOS. I have never really used it in depth so I can't really comment on the function of it. Regardless as Android matures and adds functionality I think it is harder and harder to merit having a custom UI that cannot be turned off. Truthfully I wish HTC would add back in the functionality to turn off Sense, as it is not for everyone.
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If Sprint released the Evo3D and SGS2 and Photon on the same day which would you pick?
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I can see your point on Sense. Without having played with 3.0 I think they went with more eye candy than anything. But Sense has been one of the more in depth and functional UI's in my opinion so maybe the tweaks and such are more under the hood just like Ginger Bread is. Once I get my hands on it I will have a better idea. My point on the TouchWiz was really just a superficial comment on how similar the home screen is to iOS. I have never really used it in depth so I can't really comment on the function of it. Regardless as Android matures and adds functionality I think it is harder and harder to merit having a custom UI that cannot be turned off. Truthfully I wish HTC would add back in the functionality to turn off Sense, as it is not for everyone.
MachineGunnWilly
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Back on topic:
HTC EVO 3D review -- Engadget
HTC Evo 3D: Oh My God Make It Stop Hurting
Warning: It 'shore' ain't all pretty
Please, please, puh-leasssse don't have antenna or gps problems S2, as fool me twice, shame on me!!!
I was on the fence until reading this. My two biggest issues with my EVO 4G which I love are the battery life and the camera...I'm a professional photographer and compared to many new smart phones the EVO's colors and exposure just SUCK...sad that the battery life is worse.
I'm going to search out the battery life on the photon now but it looks like I'll be getting the S2
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
C'mon, 3vo, c'mon next week!
oh, are you thinking of grabbing one near launch? figured you were going to wait a little.
It's flawed to do a direct comparison between the Evo3D and the Photon; they are competitors, but they are playing very different in terms of intent and marketing.
The Evo3D is a visual multimedia phone. Everything from Sense, 3D, to the video/flash crunching abilities of the Snapdragon is about being a visual powerhouse.
The Photon is very stark, and to the point in comparison. Low on visual effects, and high on encryption, global connectivity, and productivity.
There are people out there that "dont get it" and use all phones exactly the same; texting, web, talking; quad core monster or Samsung Moment, they perform the exact same functions. What's the point in that?
If I get an Evo3D, it would replace my PS3 and be my multimedia hub; If I got a Photon it would be for military work, traveling, and replacing my laptop/windows with cloud services.
Sprint has done a good job of making something for everyone with enough differences to ensure needs are being met and choices need to be thought out. The SGS2 is the odd man out where people tout benchmarks, when really the Evo3D and Photon will be just as capable in all the areas the SGS2 excels, but have additional abilities the SGS2 completely lacks.
I was.
But then just lurking and modding, and hearing all the points of view, I'm pretty much getting the new phone fever early. Still deciding, but probably going with Radio Shack.
Only thing preventing me from setting a date around the 24th is a bit of uncertainty in my work travel schedule.
I got my Evo launch day+2, June 6.
With all the 3vo advice I've been dispensing, seems a little unfair for me to wait. Maybe I can learn something and help others waiting who will be looking for feedback from all us early birds.
Correct me if im wrong, but from what I've read, of the EVO 3D's 4gig internal memory, 1gig is reserved for apps and the rest is for your personal use.
This is from the CNET review "It has 4GB of internal memory but only 1GB of that is available to the user, and you can't uninstall the preloaded apps...". So only 1gb is user accessible, they keep 3gbs for the ROM (and future upgrade space).
Oh ok. Thats sorta disappointing....
drexappeal
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EarlyMon, just for clarification, are you saying that for phones like the Photon and the SGS 2 w/ the bigger internal storage (16gb and 32gb respectively), the apps that can't be moved to the SD won't go on that internal storage, since it functions just like a SD card internally?
And the bloatware will be installed separately from that internal storage location?
Reason I ask is, that's a huge reason for me to be considering the Photon over the EVO 3D right now. I've been experiencing memory issues with the EVO the past month, but if all the apps can't be stored on the internal storage, then all the internal storage is really good for is storing media (which isn't really a bad thing, but kinda kills part of my reasoning for having the Photon as my top choice).
I believe the app space is 1 GB on the 3vo. Remember - Sense 3 is over 500 MB, plus whatever extra for the 3D stuff, plus a WiMAX radio firmware, unlike the Incredible.
Verizon insists on phone having more internal memory than HTC usually goes with.
Verizon insists on phone having more internal memory than HTC usually goes with.
hollawood24
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+1 (infinity) I've been through the Instinct (oh my f-in goodness) and the Moment (no wonder they gave it to me for free). Samsung always seems to start off fine, but a month or so down the line things come up in bunches smh. While i want to give them a chance, HTC just seems to get more things done right than samsung does wrong. Who knows this might be the next long over due baby step for them, but I'm not sure if im crawling with them on this one......again...... Every review i watch i go in thinking i might see something different, but leave thinking about if Steve Jobs wants to make a talking ipad (you had to have seen southpark lol). And people thought Samsung was trying to go after iphone with the Instinct???? What until they see this touch wize 4.0, oooooohhh boyyyyyy!
Holy crap, I never knew that! That's insanely large...
Yep. All of the extra goodies add up.
To be honest, my Samsung-owning pals that I have asked those details of aren't technical enough for me to get the square info from, and when I ask the Samsung owners, they're so steeped in how Samsung has taught them to think/talk about their memory that we don't communicate and I can't get a square answer. (My kingdom for a real Linux user with a modern, high-memory Sammy phone to tell me what they really did!)
What do we know - memory is memory and the underlying OS is Linux, so it's partitioned into filesystems - on Windows those are logical drives for those that aren't familiar (like when you take one hard disk and make it your C: and D: "drives" but you really have only one hard disk).
Linux is like that, but no "drives" and filesystems look like directories and so users can go from partition to partition just by changing directories. Anyone who has used Astro File Manager to surf their phone has seen this - the SD card is just a top-level folder called /sdcard. Linux is treating the phone internal memory the exact same way it treats a hard drive (same with Windows when it decides a USB stick is drive F: for example - same thing but Linux is much more elegant about it).
And - you can link filesystems - so - you could have a nice big partition called /app and link to it with a /system/app reference (Linux guys do this sort of thing freely).
Your takeaway - whoever at the maker lays out the filesystem partitions is dictating what space you have to use to go where -- and with just either linking or increasing partition sizes, the extra memory in those phones could be cleverly managed - and apps in the extra memory space would not be like Apps2SD. Like anything with computers - they could also be all balled up.
Something a clever rom dev could easily un-ball.
As you're interested in the Photon, plenty of knowledgeable buds with Verizon(read: large memory)/Moto experience, I'll check with them and see if they can shed light on how Motorola does things.
Hope that makes sense, feed back if not!
sleepy3103
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sleepy3103
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Hmmm. Name calling is pretty inflammatory. Please don't do that ever again.
I'm not buying the 3vo for the 3D. Because my mileage varies - even though I was an early HDTV adopter (and can recite the list of stuff I bought as components as that industry grew up) - I have zero interest in 3D movies. I am not impressed. I love movies - hence my home theater - but movies don't have pictures as good as the ones in my mind when I read a book and 3D seems to make that transition worse for me - personally.
Gimmick is just a word - you don't know if how you heard is how others meant it.
And even if you did hear it correctly - in film entertainment there is no one way. Did you notice that Good Night and Good Luck - one of the greatest movies ever - was made fairly recently in black and white?
In any case, if someone has the opinion to say that 3D is a gimmick, that is their opinion - and everyone has the perfect right to an opinion without attack.
If there were one perfect phone, we'd all buy it. Meanwhile, we buy different phones because we're different people.
Besides - Photon's CDMA/GSM world phone setup is way cool. That could be every bit the future as 3D - my crystal ball is fuzzy on this point.
A bit off topic; but I was blown away by avatar in 3d (in the theater). Having the 2d blu-ray I definitely prefer the theater 3d version. It reminded me when I saw the original star wars the first time (at the time it blew me away; today I think it is crap; of course I was a kid back then)
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However, I don't think 3d works well on these small devices; at least passive 3d (this is not a slight on the evo3d; it applies to the 3ds and likely the lg variant; though I shouldn't prejudge).
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Anyways I'll take a look at the evo3d on the 24th and if I like it i can buy and if not I can not buy it.
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However, I don't think 3d works well on these small devices; at least passive 3d (this is not a slight on the evo3d; it applies to the 3ds and likely the lg variant; though I shouldn't prejudge).
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Anyways I'll take a look at the evo3d on the 24th and if I like it i can buy and if not I can not buy it.
Avatar was certainly an exercise in how to do 3D correctly. I do like that for people just getting into 3D, the 3vo may make a great media bridge for them, with one of the new (coming) TVs with MHL.
sleepy3103
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Wasn't really trying to attack anyone. Just giving my opinion on everyone else's 3d is a gimmick statements. But that's just my opinion. I won't name call anymore, I apologize.
I think the 3d on the 3vo is not a revolutionary feature, more like an evolutionary one. Like a few others have said, including myself. It's the future of a/v. Once upon a time moving pictures where probably called a gimmick.
Other than the 3d part of the 3vo, its got great specs and is an HTC... Win.
I think the 3d on the 3vo is not a revolutionary feature, more like an evolutionary one. Like a few others have said, including myself. It's the future of a/v. Once upon a time moving pictures where probably called a gimmick.
Other than the 3d part of the 3vo, its got great specs and is an HTC... Win.
PyroSporker
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I commend you for taking ownership, despite the circumstance, and apologizing. Bravo.
You could always jump into the SGS2 forum and ask. I'm sure there's at least 1 linux user there that could give you a straight answer. BTW, you have a Kingdom already? Hax.
I would disagree with the Linux being more elegant. It's more practical and Windows does it more elegantly. Maybe because I'm a long term Windows user that is just getting into Linux. But the way I see it, it's like a series of bookshelves. Linux stacks all the bookshelves flush with the next in a row. Windows puts some space in between them and dresses them up as "drives". Linux, thus far that I've seen, does not seem to like to wear dresses.
And - you can link filesystems - so - you could have a nice big partition called /app and link to it with a /system/app reference (Linux guys do this sort of thing freely).
Your takeaway - whoever at the maker lays out the filesystem partitions is dictating what space you have to use to go where -- and with just either linking or increasing partition sizes, the extra memory in those phones could be cleverly managed - and apps in the extra memory space would not be like Apps2SD. Like anything with computers - they could also be all balled up.
Something a clever rom dev could easily un-ball.
As you're interested in the Photon, plenty of knowledgeable buds with Verizon(read: large memory)/Moto experience, I'll check with them and see if they can shed light on how Motorola does things.
Hope that makes sense, feed back if not!
I don't know what they plan on the Photon. But the DX reserves all "user accessable" internal memory to apps. It does not serve as a storage area. All user storage must be on the SD card. Even most app data has to be on the SD card. For example, a game like NOVA can be installed on the internal memory. But, the extra data it downloads goes to the SD card. All music that is transfered to the device must be on the SD card. In short, just the APK can be in internal storage. Everything else goes to the SD card. Which results in unused internal memory. So my DX has 2GB of internal memory just not being used for anything. It's sad, really.
Edit: Well, I could use root explorer and transfer data over through that, but on a non-rooted DX, it is impossible to use that area.
I agree with you on the Evo 4G -- and honestly, in my opinion, on the basis of so many positive reviews at the time, the Evo probably got a lot more credit than it deserved. At its release in June 2010, it had a Snapdragon processor already found in devices released half a year earlier in the Nexus One and HTC Incredible; the 8MP/720p camera was great from a stat comparison point of view but otherwise was pretty mediocre as a camera in lowlight and the video/audio was terrible; and it would take nearly half a year later for 4G to come to the largest city in the United States, New York City.
In that light, it'll be interesting to see though, how the lukewarm reviews will impact how the Evo 3D will be remembered in history.