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Root I'm so fed up

I seriously can't believe how awesome you guys are, I cant thank you all enough for all the help, I ran z4root and my phone just started bootlooping, I'll try it again and report back what I find.
 
where did you see erase recovery option in rom manager settings? I dont see it in there, maybe its worded differently?
 
when I boot into recovery I just get the phone with an exclaimtion point in a red triangle


nevermind I figured it out.

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Ok from rom manager it wont boot into clockwork, I just get the screen I described above, any ideas, I'm making progress....
 
Hit menu then settings, towards the bottom it says "erase recovery". Then back on the main screen, hit "flash clockwork .." a few times.
 
kave_in said:
when I boot into recovery I just get the phone with an exclaimtion point in a red triangle


nevermind I figured it out.

EDIT:
Ok from rom manager it wont boot into clockwork, I just get the screen I described above, any ideas, I'm making progress....
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if you havent figured it out yet,the triangle and exclamation point is the stock recovery. since youre seeing that,you dont yet have clockwork installed.

as sdraw described,open rom manager,touch the menu softkey,touch settings,put a check next to erase recovery. go back. hit the menu softkey again,touch "clear downlod cache". go back. touch flash clockwork recovery. you should get a box that says "incredible cdma" touch that,then youll see a yellow progress bar at the top,followed by "clockwork successfully installed". at some point while the yellow bar is moving,you should see SU asking if you want to give rom manager permissions. make sure theres a a checkmark next to always,then touch allow.

if this isnt the sequence of events youre seeing,please describe to us whats happening in as much detail as possible.

one thing that comes to mind... are you trying to obtain permanent root,or temporary root with z4root? if youre trying to do permanent root,maybe thats the prollem. could be its not able to install the files in such a way that the root will "stick",or even work. we dont need permanent root,all were trying toaccomplish with z4 is to obtain access long enuff to permanently install clockwork recovery. so try temporary and see if it works.

wether your doing permanent or temporary, if clockwork fails to install,go ahead and open the superuser app and make sure that rom manager has permissions. if it does,there will be a green dot next to it. if not,the dot will be red. touch dot to change it to green.

also remember that youll have to run z4root every time you reboot the phone for sure if ran it as temp,and possibly even if you ran it as permanent. seems that thats one of the issues with z4root,is that on some phones the permanent root option doesnt really work. could just be that your having prollems installing clockwork after the initial reboot simply because root access is gone. when i rebooted after running temp root,the superuser app was still there,it still looked like i was rooted,but i didnt actually have su acess.

hope that helps. i really didnt do anything special... downloaded the z4root app from the link sdraw provided,and downloaded the recovery-flashable superuser app from the link i provided. i used astro file manager to find z4root on the sd card,open app manager,and install it.

when i ran z4root it directed me to allow install of non market apps,and make sure usb debugging was on. if you werent also directed to these things,maybe check them and try it again :)

one final thot... if i was doing this from an s-on,stock position,i would be ready with the s-off tool on the sd card. as soon as i saw "clockwork recovery installed" id immediately boot into it from rom manager,and then the first thing id do is flash the s-off tool. i would then reboot,power off,and power on to hboot(power/volume down. make sure you touch the volume down button first,or the phone will just turn on :eek:) to make sure the s-off is in place. then using the volume keys and power button,id select recovery to make sure it was still there. you could reboot a couple times to make sure it all "stuck" but after seeing it a second time,you should be good to go. youre free at this point to flash the rom of your choice,or the superuser app and enjoy being rooted :)
 
Yeah. So the process you out lined is exactly what I am seeing. Everytime I boot into recovery from tomorrow manager after flashing the newest clockwork it takes me to the stock recovery. I am using z4root temporary root. Somebody apparently doesn't want me root this phone....

Edit: rom*
 
hmm. what hboot do you have? what firmware? amoled or slcd? if you look at hardware version, 002 means amoled, 003 means slcd.

i will double check all mine when i home.

couple things off the top of my head... have you tried flashin clockwork multiple times before attempting to boot into it? have you tried flashing the alternate recoverey, then clockwork? just tried flashiing the alternate and booting into that?

last and not least, what happens if you flash recovery, then power off and try to get to it thru hboot?
 
I'm not really positive on how Z4 works but I wonder if its loading Dropbox onto the card or just using the rageagainstthecage exploit somehow temporarily. Just a stab in the dark but maybe it worked for Scotty because you had the proper files on the card from actual rooting? Idk.
 
I'm seriously about give up. Would it help if I did a factory wipe then tried it.? Rom manager won't let me load an alternative recovery it says there was an error.
 
Z4root has definitely let people permanently root the incredible.
It does use the rageagainstthecage exploit, just as unrevoked does.
I'm not sure why kave can't get it to work...

did you check out the youtube video I posted above? That at least shows what temporary root process should look like.

Is rom manager giving you any errors(exactly what error) after you try to flash clockwork? Did you double check the super user app to make sure rom manager has the permissions?

Some people have reported better success using it right after a reboot or a factory reset.

The user here was able to get permanent root using z4root method, too bad he isn't active here anymore:

http://androidforums.com/incredible-all-things-root/269777-q-unable-root.html
 
iowabowtech said:
I'm not really positive on how Z4 works but I wonder if its loading Dropbox onto the card or just using the rageagainstthecage exploit somehow temporarily. Just a stab in the dark but maybe it worked for Scotty because you had the proper files on the card from actual rooting? Idk.
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well,heres what i did: awhile back i ran the back to stock PB31IMG file and unrooted my phone. i then flashed amon recovery via my s-off bootloader to see if it would work. it did. at that point i was runnin stock,unrooted firmware,with clockwork recovery. i made a backup of this stock,unrooted rom.

when i did this experiment,i restored this backup,and made sure i had no superuser app or root access.

i then flashed the stock recovery in hboot. for all practical purposes,my phone was in the same condition as any other phone thats had the back to stock PB31IMG file run to send back to verizon. the only thing different was the s-off,wich shouldnt have anything to do with z4root,recovery or things not done in bootloader. there are no files on my sd card(that i can see anyway) that had anything to do with the root process.

whats confusing me,is that he claims that clockwork flashed successfully,yet is not there when he reboots. makes me think that something (either his hboot or his firmware) is somehow replacing clockwork with a stock recovery upon reboot. similar situations occured with the droid 1 when running a stock rom. there were some scripts that you could run,or a couple files that you could easily delete/rename so that recovery "stuck" thru each reboot.

if we could determine that something about his phone is causing a similar situation,it might be possible to delete or rename those files using root explorer while having temp root.

sooo... dont forget to answer these,please... weve asked a couple times,and i havent seen the answers yet.
scotty85 said:
hmm. what hboot do you have? what firmware? amoled or slcd? if you look at hardware version, 002 means amoled, 003 means slcd.
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heres what i have:

software: 3.26.605.1
build:3.26.605.1 CL264707 release-keys
kernel:2.6.32.17-g9a2fc16 htc-kernel@u18000-build-149#1
baseband:2.15.00.07.28
PRI: 1.28_002
PRL:52219
ERI:5
hardware: 0002 <-amoled

hboot:0.92.000
microp:0417
touchpanel-ATMEL224_16ab
july 23,2010, 18:06:51

maybe copy and paste my post and anything thats different, put it next to mine,but in red or blue or something.

im determined to get to the bottom of this :)
 
hboot 0.92.000
microp 0417
radio 2.15.00.07.28
slcd
I get the message e:cant open/cache.recovery/command after flashing clockwork then turning off the phone and going into Hboot.

I have factory reset my dinc, I downloaded astro, z4 & rom manager, I ran z4 to get temp root....
I just ran rom manager to flash clockwork after I clicked erase recovery and cleared download cache...
I am booting into recovery from rom manager...
and nothing, dammit, I give, phone with exclaimation in red triangle, I dont want to fight this anymore, I've tried every combination of every possible way to do this. Thanks for all the help anyways guys.
 
I dont want to keep wasting everyones time, my pri is 1.70_002 (different than yours) my prl is 52297 (also different) other than those to things, and the slcd there is nothing different

and sorry for taking so long on these, I'm in a class for work I only have limited free time most of the day this week, but I cant say enough how grateful I am to all you guys for sticking it out with me here
 
kave - If you're willing to pay to have your phone shipped to me, and to have it shipped back. I will root it for you, and even install any ROM/Recovery you want.
 
kave_in said:
I get the message e:cant open/cache.recovery/command after flashing clockwork then turning off the phone and going into Hboot.
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hmmm,when do you see this error message exactly? are you seeing it on the hboot screen? the triangle screen?

you are getting a "clockwork successfully flashed" message before attempting to boot into it,correct?

thanks for answering the other questions,and dont feel like your wasting our time(mine for sure :)) as i get a kick out of trying to figure things like this out. hang in there :)
 
Yes I flash the latest version of clockwork I get the notification that it was successful, I click reboot into recovery while still in rom manager and it goes black, I see the htc incredible logo with the white background, then it changes to the phone with the red triangle, it says the error msg at that point
 
I tried this but do you mean:
Flash clockwork, clear download cache, flash clockwork, etc, etc, or just flash clockwork, and by multiple times how many do you have in mind, I did it at least 5-6 times and it didnt stick...
 
scotty85 said:
there are no files on my sd card(that i can see anyway) that had anything to do with the root process.
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Yeah, I mistyped earlier. Said Dropbox and meant to say Busybox. :D

Idk if it's critical or not but back in the day before Unrevoked, we were rooting via ADB and one of the things we pushed to the phone was Busybox. I just kinda figured Unrevoked pushed it to the card as part of the rooting process? I'm not even positive if it's critical but it's certainly necessary for Titanium at minimum. Maybe that's the only reason they wanted it there in the first place...figuring most people would need it for certain apps? But does Clockwork need it? That is the question I'd be interested in. And if so, does Z4 drop it on the card upon install?

Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm still posting in this one so good luck.
 
iowabowtech said:
Idk if it's critical or not but back in the day before Unrevoked, we were rooting via ADB and one of the things we pushed to the phone was Busybox. I just kinda figured Unrevoked pushed it to the card as part of the rooting process? I'm not even positive if it's critical but it's certainly necessary for Titanium at minimum. Maybe that's the only reason they wanted it there in the first place...figuring most people would need it for certain apps? But does Clockwork need it? That is the question I'd be interested in. And if so, does Z4 drop it on the card upon install?

Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm still posting in this one so good luck.
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its my understanding that busybox,along with the other files are pushed into the phone's current rom,not to the sd card. i dont believe you really need it,as you can not have it and still have root access... as you said,you DO need it for titanium to work,and there have been plenty of times i had to push the prollems button and get it in order for titnaium to work.

i dont want to give up,but im fresh out of ideas. methinks it has something to do with being an slcd,but it really shouldnt... :confused:
 
So I read the troubleshooting section in the market for Rom manager app. Is says for HTC users try fastbooting on recovery if we are having trouble flashing clockwork. How do I do this?
 
kave_in said:
So I read the troubleshooting section in the market for Rom manager app. Is says for HTC users try fastbooting on recovery if we are having trouble flashing clockwork. How do I do this?
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that actually was going to be my next question,lol... how comfortable are you using ADB?

i was wondering if we should try flashing the recovery image thru fastboot.

in a nutshell,to flash the recovery in fastboot,we will need to put the phone in fastboot mode(accessible from hboot),open an adb command window,and "push" the recovery image from your pc to the phone.

i think this is an important consideration for getting it to work: if you try and use the "permanent root" option in z4,do you still have root access after rebooting?

try that and let me know. try using some root-only app and see if it still works.

if youre game,heres a video i used to get adb set up to play around with my eris,and root my thunderbolt.

YouTube - &#x202a;How to Root the HTC Thunderbolt, Setting up ADB - Step 1&#x202c;&rlm;

you can get it set up and working if you want,and try some basic commands. a few are listed here: http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/187820-how-adb-commands.html

download the latest clockwork or Amon RA recovery from doughpiston: Inc. Recoveries | doug piston

if you can get it set up and working we can give it a shot,but ill have to figure out the commands and try them on my phone first ;)
 
The root gods decided to open the heavens and grant me some much needed grace. I flashed clockwork probably 10times reported into recovery and it worked! I immediately installed unrevoked forever and now have s-off. I checked. What's my next step?
 
kave_in said:
The root gods decided to open the heavens and grant me some much needed grace. I flashed clockwork probably 10times reported into recovery and it worked! I immediately installed unrevoked forever and now have s-off. I checked. What's my next step?
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oh wow... thats awsome!


go ahead and reboot,then power off and power on into hboot and make sure you are s-off. if you are,go ahead and select recovery and see if its still there. as long as it your s-off,it doesnt mater much if recovery is missing,we can now flash it thru hboot.

once youve verified s-off and revcovery are sticking,flash a rom,flash the superuser app i linked,or whatever you want to do :cool:

more on this later,i gotta get back to work! :eek:

real glad it finally worked out for ya :cool:
 
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