I also recently had a chance to play with a friends Iphone4 and you guys are nuts if you think the screen on our Inc is better than the Iphone...the screen is beautiful on the Inc, but the Iphone 4 is better...not only is it better resolution, but the way that there is barely any gap between the screen and the glass makes it look like whatever is on the screen is almost "floating"...besides the resolution I think that was the biggest draw that I liked about Iphone's screen...there really isn't a gap between the screen and the glass...
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Iphone 4 vs HTC Incredible
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Mean Sixteen
Newbie
Had to chime in. I went to the apple store Saturday. I cannot see, for the life of me, how any human being can hold our phone next to the new iphone and think our screen looks better. Our screen is beautiful but there's is noticably better. At least my dinc at 100% brightness.
Now for the fun part. I loved doing a side by side, when i had 2 bars and they had 5, and my dolphin hd browser smoked theirs. The salesperson didn't know what to say.
Man I love my Dinc
Now for the fun part. I loved doing a side by side, when i had 2 bars and they had 5, and my dolphin hd browser smoked theirs. The salesperson didn't know what to say.
Man I love my Dinc
Tech specs sometimes lie.
IP4 has a huge DPI but some of it is wasted on human eyes.
Color and contrast will also play a role in the overall look.
Age also plays a role. I'm a developer and on my desktop I had to stay at 800x600 until I got a larger monitor.
For us middle aged people higher resolution on a smaller screen = unreadable.
That might explain why on Google maps I can zoom in as far as I can go on my DInc and I still do not see pixels.
This shouldn't be surprising considering Google Earth requires a powerful GPU to perform all its 3d rendering. The iphone uses powervr SGX GPU which is much more capable than the GPU on the snapdragon. If you want to see google earth fly on android, you'll have to use the Galaxy S or Moto X.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
You are misinformed on how the Retina display works. They increased the resolution but did not leave the display rendering the same. The visual font size of the font is the same as it is on the older 3G/3GS but sharper.
The physical size of the icon hasn't been shaved in half. Everything still takes up the same physical space on the 3.5 screen. The images that haven't been optimized for the new display is just pixel-doubled.
You're 800x600 analogy doesn't apply. On a regular computer screen,if you have 12 point font on a 800x600 screen and up the resolution to 1600x1200 on the same size monitor, then yes, your analogy is correct, the 12 point font will be smaller and harder to read. The retina display doesn't work like that. Using iOS 4, the 12 point font on 800x600 is now effectively a 24 point font on the 1600x1200 display. You then get to see everything in-between that from 12,14,16,20,22,24 points.
With Apple's display, the font appearance is still the same to the user. They doubled (4x in both direction) the resolution. So if a 8 point font was readable on a 3GS, it is now a 16 point font on the iPhone 4. They both take up the same physical perceptible space on the screen. The difference now is that in addition to that, you can now see details where you couldn't before. Whereas you couldn't see a 4point font on the 3Gs, you now can see it on the iPhone 4.
got a chance to play with on yesterday in the Apple store, and the multi tasking, how ever apple implements it, seems pretty good. The phone i was playing with has something like 40 apps in the tray, now that does not mean they are all open, but i will say the thing did not slow down at all. For me, like most people i'd imagine, the biggest thing was that the phone/os did not get in the way of what i was trying to do. In the end, for me anyway, that is all i can really ask, to be able to do what i want when i want on my mobile device.
Also, i was able to play tony hawk's pro skater 2, the full freaking game!! I really hope this comes out for the android marked, because i would be all over it!
Finally, it was obvious to me that the screen was superior, but I certainly cannot complain about the DInc's screen. As for build quality the IP4 seems to have used better quality materials, but i have no complaints about my DInc. There is nothing loose, and it feels solid in hand, Dinc FTW!
Technically the incredible is NOT true 16:9 which is ratio of 1.78 to 1. The incredible's 800x480 is 1.67 to 1. The only android phones I know of that have true 16:9 are the moto droids at 854x480, which is exactly 1.78 to 1. So to play a true 16:9 widescreen vid on the incredible the resolution would be 800x450. You lose 15 lines on the top and bottom and end up with black lines--tiny ones, but dead space nonetheless.
And even with the bigger black lines on the iphone a 16:9 vid would be 960x540 or 518,400 pixels versus 800x450 or 360,000 pixels for the incredible.
And no, I'm not an apple fanboy. In fact, I came here specifically because I'm deciding between an incredible and the droid x. I love verizon and it will take much more than a better screen for me to switch to craptastic ATT in NYC.
But my sister just got the new iphone and in terms of superior screen, it's not even close. The apple screen really is a thing of beauty.
It may not be as important to some of you than to others. But despite the fact that I love the smaller form factor of the incredible, I'm leaning towards the droid specifically because it's true 16:9. (I intend to watch a lot of movies on the phone.) The 50k additional pixels (okay 49,920 if you want to be a stickler) you gain by watching vids in true 16:9 on the droid x will get noticed by my eyes. But to each his own. YMMV.
JuniorNA
Android Enthusiast
Just want to give you some insight if you're thinking about the movie aspect. I suggest either investing in a small suitcase nuke to keep available at all times to charge your phone, buy a 10 mile extension cable and keep the phone plugged in at all times, or perhaps purchase 50 batteries and have them all charged and ready to go.
Oh, but thats only if you want to watch a 5 minute youtube clip.
So multiply that by a 2 hour movie and you should have the power , if you so desire .
Point size is a print term and not really applicable to how readable text is on a monitor.
In any case.
300 PPI seems to be the normal limit of density that a normal eye can see pixels at 12 inches.
But when you reach my age (mid 40s) you cannot see 300PPI. I can't see a 4 pt font no matter how sharp it is... that includes printed text.
I have no doubt the 320 PPI would be wasted on my eyes. On my 250PPI(?) Dinc I can't see pixels no matter how much I zoom in.
And once again, PPI is only one factor of how a display is rated.
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Deleted User
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Incorrect.
Incorrect.
Gosh, I'm glad your keen eyesight can predict the path of an event and analyze material properties.. You might want to speak to the folks at NASA, it's very likely that you can get paid for that talent.
The Inc's screen does colors much more vividly than the iPhone 4's screen. Vivid is not necessarily better. It's just different. I'm a photographer. I'm not a big fan of unnaturally saturated or bizarrely vivid colors.
Incorrect.
Same dock, similar size, almost all of the accessories will already work for it save form-fitting things like cases.
Incorrect, and incorrect.
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I know most of that has been pointed out individually, but I just wanted to call attention to the astounding level of misinformation that gets spread on forums. People who glance at a picture of the phone and make assumptions. People who touch something and presume to know everything about it. People who hear something from some guy at some arbitrary time, and take it as gospel.
Wish people would come back to reality. Everyone loves to have an opinion but damn, guys, can we please fact-check ourselves a little?
It's really great to be happy with your phone. Unfounded and incorrect assumptions about another device on the market, though, does not make your phone better.
Exaggerate much? I watched a full length movie (Iron-man 1) on my friends droid during a long car ride and the phone still had about 70% battery life afterward. The movie was ripped from a DVD using handbrake and was in excellent quality. Where do you think I even got the idea to do this in the first place?
Yeah, I know the processors on the newer phones like the incredible and droid x use more power, but I'm willing to bet I can get at least two movies out of one charge with the droid x--not that I need it since my commute to work is only about half an hour long and I likely won't watch more than one movie at a time. Maybe that's not the case with the incredible since I hear the battery life sucks.
tommy_ed
Android Expert
there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with your battery. My inc comes off the charger at 8am and always has around 30-40 percent when i go to bed at 2am. I'm on it a lot at work talking and browsing the web, sometimes games. I've seen you all over these forums, you are obviously in love with apple. every single post i've ever seen by you has been appleappleapple all the way. I understand everyone has an opinion, and I like apple as well, but don't mislead people. Usually your posts are very informative and factually correct, but this one was definitely not. I can't beleive you even still have an android phone.
JuniorNA
Android Enthusiast
Yeah i wasnt basing my exaggeration off of a phone that i do not own. I was basing it off of the incredible. 70% is great, was it plugged in when it went down to 70% ? Lol, just kidding. I love my D-Inc, i've just learned that i need to have car/work/home charger to enjoy it. no big deal, i dont need it for 7 days without a charge, everywhere we go in life there is a usb port
JuniorNA
Android Enthusiast
i'm going to agree with Tommy here, which by the way, we've all hijacked the $hit out of this thread. But yeah, my batt lasts me till 10pm on heavy use, and i mean heavy, but most of the time i get to 2am. I do shut down mobile though, not to save battery, bc i dont need all that stuff on when i'm in front of a computer all day
Uh...can you please elaborate. You're calling people out for misinformation but yet you made no attempt to provide real information. All you did was say incorrect. That doesn't really help.
civicsisedan
Android Expert
I will say this.. After playing with an Iphone4 outdoors.. Never saw it inside.. But it was sunny it was fairly cloudy and we were in bleachers in the shade.
I was not impressed with the display. It wasn't noticeably better. It didn't make me go ohhh ahhhh at it.
Not saying it is better or worse then our screens because it wasn't either in my opinion. It did look better then a 3GS but wasn't the latest and greatest screen.
I was not impressed with the display. It wasn't noticeably better. It didn't make me go ohhh ahhhh at it.
Not saying it is better or worse then our screens because it wasn't either in my opinion. It did look better then a 3GS but wasn't the latest and greatest screen.
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Deleted User
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There's not much to say.
- The pixel density is substantially higher, and you do not have to hold the phone an inch away from your face.
- The pixel density is NOT beyond the resolution limits of the human eye. Beyond SOME human eyes, probably. But then again, the standard iPhone resolution is beyond SOME human eyes. This has been already widely debunked by a few experts:
Display Expert: iPhone 4 Resolution ‘Significantly Lower’ Than Retina | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
- The higher resolution does not mean anything is smaller or harder to see. It just means there are more pixels filling in the same space as before.
- If you hold the phone, you know it's not sharp. So "incorrect" is all that needs to be said.
The other couple points I already addressed.
The only thing that's impossible to address is the ridiculous speculation about dropping it. The reality is that nobody knows specifically, but aluminosilicate is extremely tough and difficult to break so there's absolutely zero reason to believe the phone is more fragile than any other - especially not from just handling it briefly.
My point wasn't entirely that these specific pieces of misinformation should be corrected - which, of course, they should. My point is that nobody is fact-checking before they parrot what they've heard/thought. The facts are widely available at our fingertips - I just have such a hard time believing that people don't check things out for themselves.
I just played with the iPhone 4 and I must say the display is nice. Better than theDinc let's be honest here. I loomed in all the way to one letter on a website and the image was still Sharp and crisp. I still don't want one for another other reasons but the display on the iPhone far does edge out the Dinc
IMO the concerns of fragility of a "naked" iphone4 is very well founded. It would seem entirely possible that it would be more likely to break either the front or back glass than in previous iphones (yes they only had the front glass for the screen in previous iphones). If you think about the effective area that would dissipate the energy of an impact, say assuming the IP4 were to fall directly on one corner, of either the front or back of the phone, which with the design is entirely possible.
The impact is essentially a point load aka worst case scenario, which is applied directly to the side of the screen, which has the smallest surface area, allowing the highest concentration of stress. In previous designs there was a plastic casing protecting the screen so load to the side or the screen was never an issue. It is fair to say that the design has sacrificed some integrity. At least thats what the physics/engineering side of the design indicates.
listen_silent
Lurker
I don't know about all you guys, but all these Apple lovers seem to be just like those drones sitting in the movie theater in that famous Apple 1984 Super Bowl commercial. Seeing as how Iphone treats its code and development it is much more restrictive and lacks the freedom of Android... To be dramatic: How very "1984" Apple...
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Deleted User
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I agree with this - especially with the section I emphasized.
It is possible.
However, materials used is only part of the equation and given how many unknowns there are in plastics, who's to say that the plastic backing of the 3GS isn't more fragile than the glass? Can you tell that the case is or is not better structured in the iPhone 4, thus supporting its backing better and reducing the chance that drops will break it? Have you analyzed the structure to see if dropping it on its corner will actually impact the glass at all, or if it'll be absorbed mostly by the metal case/antenna? Do you know the material specs on the glass?
All I'm saying is the knee-jerk "DON'T DROP IT THERE'S A 120% CHANCE YOU'LL BREAK IT" is ridiculous, and that, along with a lot of other stuff in this thread, is simply FUD/misinformation, spread by people who don't fact-check before they make sweeping, blunt statements.
MutantCheese
Android Expert
Wow, you really like to quote me. Hey Nimrod, that is my opinion of how fragile it seemed when I held it. I never stated it as fact.
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Deleted User
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"Nimrod" isn't capitalized.
If you're going to insult me, at least do it properly.
Also, it doesn't matter if you stated it as fact; I was commenting that such an arbitrary judgement based on nothing substantial was silly. Not to mention, I wasn't calling out you specifically: I pointed out numerous other comments that were all along the same lines, in the hopes that it might cause just one person to hesitate before they hit the "Submit" button, and maybe check out their facts before furthering the tsunami of bad information/unfounded assumptions.
Your comments were a small fragment of what I had to say and my post wasn't even addressed specifically to you. If you want to take it as my attacking you directly, fine, that's your business.
I'm done with the argument. I'm not stooping to name-calling just because you don't like what I had to say.
MutantCheese
Android Expert
Really? Nimrod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Oh and btw, I know that it can be used either way, capitalized or not, depending on context.
Thank you for proving my point.