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LG G3 Pre-release/Rumor/Speculation Thread

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AntimonyER said:
So many of you are writing off this phone before you even see it or hold it in your hands, or even before a single review has been posted from a trusted source. I for one can't wait to see this phone in person. Maybe the performance is lagging, and is noticeable as a result of pairing the 801 with the 2K screen. The specs tell us where to look for possible weaknesses. But it checks almost every box (at least for me), and I can't be anything less than super excited to get my hands on it.
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I'm sure it will be immense upgrade from DNA, no doubt. It's just that level of excitement for G3 was toned down a bit by 801 leak. And for those with S800 based phones already like me, it's going to be hard sell.

But I think G3 will be bigger success than G2 for LG with great screen, camera, UI. Will see what other cool features they have on the launch day and how it does on battery, real world graphic performance.
 
EarlyMon said:
Btw for those that don't know - drexappeal is a buddy of mine and he's an expert at marketing, I'm not.

I enjoy the opportunity to argue out of my depth with him on new releases every year, so don't read anything into my posts on that. :p :)
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Hahaha...Thanks, EM...and yes, everybody please don't misconstrue our conversation. EM is like family to me (part of the Android Forum fam). I was formerly part of the crew in these parts until work completely took me into a different stratosphere of being "busy." When it comes to details of tech, I respect and trust EM's thoughts 100%
 
as of 64-bit, this is exactly about hotter, faster, newer thing being just around the corner, lol.

By the time they release 64-bit, I will sell my upcoming G3 and buy a new toy - if I decide that I need it.

And of course all the girls will be really impressed when I will show them my 64-bit phone on the first date :D
 
lmp180psu said:
More possible info, and some testing opinions/results:

LG G3 may miss out on Snapdragon 805 - SlashGear
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Qualcomm is only claiming the 40% power savings on GPU and GPU - memory functions, not everything.

The claim that things will turn around as Qualcomm refines drivers was invented from whole cloth by the author.

That the 801/805 run neck in neck overall on power in unspecified phones (the 805 development device is a tablet and always has been), or that the 801 may have a slight overall power edge, is not at all surprising.
 
lmp180psu said:
More possible info, and some testing opinions/results:

LG G3 may miss out on Snapdragon 805 - SlashGear
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Okay, so someone jump in and explain. The article says that some phones with the 801 actually out performed the 805.

So, breaking it down to the bottom line (if the G3 skipped out on the 805), would it really be a "bad" thing that they passed on the 1st go around? I'd imagine rushing the 805 into the G3 might have caused for lesser performance, but then again, I'm not an engineer, so I couldn't really tell you.

If I'm looking at this, from a realistic point of view, I'd much rather have a fully tested and great performing phone over one with a newer processor, that really wasn't tested as thoroughly as it should be. Just my 2 cents and again, if the G3 were to be my primary phone, then it might cause me reason to hesitate (I tend to lean towards phones that have the newer tech, just for thoughts of forward thinking and "future proofing.").

The only specs that have been rumored, but seemingly left out (and is somewhat of a concern for me) are the microSD slot and the removable battery. To many, that's not that important, but for me (even as a secondary phone), I'd hate to be confined to the internal storage. I won't be needing the additional storage for the G3, but it'd sure be nice to have it. I was definitely pleased to see the 3GB of RAM though.
 
Early,

I did eat some but left a lot over for all to partake. Enjoy! :)


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The 805 is a new, unfielded device and the blogosphere tends to care more about being the first with an exciting advertising click through post than accuracy.

Memes are being invented almost on the hour for the 805, and being memes, most all are destined to live forever and to be believed.

The actual truth is still another matter and is quite unknown - and until production units are out in the wild, it's going to stay that way. But even after, the early memes will probably trump the truth for months to come.

Could the new 805 have early adopter problems?

Ummm... Ok, sure, why not?

Is that common for new Snapdragons?

Not really. No.
 
Hehe, sorry I can't help but chuckle at your post drex, as it brings back memories of the DNA speculation thread.

As far as the battery life goes, let's see what the real world tests show. I would really like an SD card slot, but after living with 16GB and no slot for 18 months, I am already getting 2x the space. Considering I owned a GNex prior to that, I haven't had a phone with a slot in almost 3 years! My best card is only 8GB as a result, haha.
 
this is a twist lol. being considerable LG seemed to have made a hard but yet "right" choice to stay with the polished 801. But we will see the bigger picture in a week. all these rumors about 805 being better than 801 and 805 being needed for 2k screens tend to confuse and make people go circles. How bad or good of a performance we will see from 801? i wonder...

or perhaps is more plausible to wait for the next LG 810 SoC device? And i just made a discovery, i cant quite jump to a new phone now! wow lol, looks like i will have to way couple of months anyways. Might as well just see whats coming...
 
Here is an interesting article from CNET on the benefits of the Snapdragon 805.

6 cool things your next Snapdragon 805 phone or tablet could do - CNET

Personally, being the average consumer (maybe a bit more tech savvy than average?), if the g3 has the 801, I won't be buying it right off. I'll watch to see what it does. With all due respect to the more savvy techie types, I like the benefits of paying for a phone that is on the bleeding edge, rather than having a phone that is going to make me sorry I didn't wait.

Heck, why don't I wait for the 64-bit processing system? As a consumer, my wallet is the judge and jury and the control over how I manage it, is mine.

Speaking on behalf of the average and uneducated consumer, tech specs and promises of better performance do matter to me greatly, even if I don't understand the "why's" or the "trade-offs".

Attitude wise, I will tell you that the unconfirmed news of the phone having an 801 just took the wind out of my sails and put me back into the wait-and-watch-for-the-next-big-thing mode.

Sure, I'll give this phone a look-see when it comes out and I know it'll be a great one. Heck, I just bought my family (3 other lines) Galaxy S5's. THAT is a great phone too. It surely beats the Gnex for sure. Anything would be an upgrade!

When I buy a phone, it needs the "Wow" factor. That's why I bought the Droid Incredible and that's why I bought the Gnex. In its day, the Gnex had mucho "wow" factor, right brother Early? Remember? Heh. How can we forget? Good times.

My next phone will have to be exceptional, in every way, including the processor. I'm an Smartphone hobbyist, so much so that I was very much involved in leaking info on the Gnex to Android Forums and the rest of the world. I guess that qualifies me to have my opinions and tastes, huh? :)

In short, I've moved away from "must-have" to 'look-see" on this device. That's what my gut says. I generally go with my gut.

Now that I've expressed myself....

LET'S EAT!!! (Steven passes out the pizza)
 
Then why not wait for 810 SoC? To be honest my lg g2 is very good enough.

It's just that lg g3 looks so nice...
 
I was initially really excited when I heard the rumor about G3 with the 805, and then disappointed when we came back to reality and were looking at 801. But now, after comparing the two SoCs side-by-side, I think it's important for people to understand just how little the 805 changes compared to the 801. Arguably, the only significant change is in the GPU and the memory bandwidth to the GPU. This is something that is quite relevant if someone plans on intensive 3D gaming on their new 1440p smartphone. For those of us who either don't play intensive 3D games on their phones, or even play any games on their phone for that matter (me), the 805 brings almost nothing over the 801 (disregarding the fringe benefits of H265 decoding -- and note that's decoding only so no improvement in 4K video size and H265 adoption for content is still a ways off, and ISP improvements that would probably go unrealized). The core architecture is the same, but the maximum CPU clock frequency makes an inconsequential boost up to 2.7 GHz from 2.5 GHz.

This means that outside of intensive 3D gaming, the end result for most purposes between the 805 and the 801 is practically equal. That includes both performance and battery life. It's also interesting to note how the 805 didn't end up including the modem on the SoC. I'm not sure when that issue came about, but from an engineering standpoint, I could see LG being in a situation where having to all of a sudden modify their design to incorporate a discrete modem instead would be too costly (time and cost wise, but especially time, where time to market is huge) for too little gain. The lack of the modem meant swapping the SoC in their phone from 801 to 805 would require a certain degree of rework of the design.

Also, has anyone heard anything more recently about whether LG will release a 1080p version of the G3? I suppose if the 1440p screen impact on general purpose battery life ends up not being anything significant then it's not a big deal, but if there is a hit of any consequence then I would much prefer a 1080p version because there's just no benefit for that high of a pixel density aside from marketing.
 
AntimonyER said:
Hehe, sorry I can't help but chuckle at your post drex, as it brings back memories of the DNA speculation thread.

As far as the battery life goes, let's see what the real world tests show. I would really like an SD card slot, but after living with 16GB and no slot for 18 months, I am already getting 2x the space. Considering I owned a GNex prior to that, I haven't had a phone with a slot in almost 3 years! My best card is only 8GB as a result, haha.
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LOL..All of my posts on speculation & rumors threads have to add my 2 cents about the importance (for me) of the microSD slot. I was almost at capacity for my 64, until I bit the bullet and bought a 128 for my Note 3 and Note 8!

I use both for my personal and work needs, so storage is a big deal for me and I've never been a big proponent for relying on cloud connectivity to obtain/access files. It can become such a pain for me, when I'm on vacation somewhere, but need to access an important document/file, but don't have wifi nearby and service isn't fast enough to download from the cloud. While I still use cloud services, my #1 reliance is on locally stored files (internal and external).

In fact, EM (if he remembers) knows my history of that being important for all the lead-up threads we've participated in together. I've been waiting for a phone to have 64gb internal, as well as the 128gb microSD. Now that I have the 128 microSD's, I'd even pay a little more for a phone that had 128gb internal as well.

But, since the G3 won't necessarily be used by me daily and will only be a secondary phone for me, not having the microSD isn't a "huge" deal (as it normally would), but the option I think would help it steer people away from the Note 3, for other consumers considering it.
 
Will having the modem separate from the SoC impact battery life? I remember the Rezound being so terrible when on LTE because the LTE radio was not part of the SoC. And then the next gen chips included an LTE radio and battery life was all rainbows and butterflies again.
 
hilmar2k said:
Will having the modem separate from the SoC impact battery life? I remember the Rezound being so terrible when on LTE because the LTE radio was not part of the SoC. And then the next gen chips included an LTE radio and battery life was all rainbows and butterflies again.
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That would depend on the actual modem design the engineers went with. The largest benefits of having the modem integrated onto the SoC is a simpler design and lower cost.

It's possible that the discrete modem would have reduced battery life but it's not a given. What is guaranteed is a more complex design and more expensive product. With limited space to work with, the design complexity is the big one IMO.
 
hilmar2k said:
Will having the modem separate from the SoC impact battery life? I remember the Rezound being so terrible when on LTE because the LTE radio was not part of the SoC. And then the next gen chips included an LTE radio and battery life was all rainbows and butterflies again.
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There will be some benefit for battery life with all in one chip but it won't be day and night difference today. Certainly not down to level of Rezound, Thunderbolt.

I believe Rezound had older generation Qualcomm chips prior to S4 Krait series. So the power consumption from SoC, modem were much higher at that time. Phones like DNA, One M7, S4 all have two separate chips but still much better on battery than Rezound.

edit: Seems like there are two versions of 805, one without modem and another with modem on SoC (APQ8084, APQ8984). not sure which one will make into S5 prime, M8 prime or G3 (if they do).
 
Sandroidfan said:
edit: Seems like there are two versions of 805, one without modem and another with modem on SoC (APQ8084, APQ8984). not sure which one will make into S5 prime, M8 prime or G3 (if they do).
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According to Wikipedia (I can't find much other reference to the APQ8984), the APQ8984 with the modem won't (or wasn't) be available as early as the APQ8084. Also, based on Anandtech's article on the 805, it sounds like the removal of the modem from 805 was to allow for the wider memory interface for the Adreno 420 GPU yet keep the overall SoC size compact enough for smartphones. The size constraint necessitated using a different packaging technology than they did with the 801. This would imply then that the APQ8984, with a modem integrated, would be larger and perhaps destined for tablets instead.

My guess based on this is if the prime variants use the 805 it would still be the APQ8084 + a discrete modem.
 
Sandroidfan said:
There will be some benefit for battery life with all in one chip but it won't be day and night difference today. Certainly not down to level of Rezound, Thunderbolt.

I believe Rezound had older generation Qualcomm chips prior to S4 Krait series. So the power consumption from SoC, modem were much higher at that time. Phones like DNA, One M7, S4 all have two separate chips but still much better on battery than Rezound.

edit: Seems like there are two versions of 805, one without modem and another with modem on SoC (APQ8084, APQ8984). not sure which one will make into S5 prime, M8 prime or G3 (if they do).
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True.

That said -

The small technology Gobi class modem chips are well known from other phones using other APQ type processors.

They definitely produce a noticeable power draw over their integrated counterparts.

Btw - higher reliable is another advantage of an integrated modem.

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Typically, Snapdragons that begin with APQ are application processors, no modem. MSM parts include the modem.
 
klmd said:
According to Wikipedia (I can't find much other reference to the APQ8984), the APQ8984 with the modem won't (or wasn't) be available as early as the APQ8084. Also, based on Anandtech's article on the 805, it sounds like the removal of the modem from 805 was to allow for the wider memory interface for the Adreno 420 GPU yet keep the overall SoC size compact enough for smartphones. The size constraint necessitated using a different packaging technology than they did with the 801. This would imply then that the APQ8984, with a modem integrated, would be larger and perhaps destined for tablets instead.

My guess based on this is if the prime variants use the 805 it would still be the APQ8084 + a discrete modem.
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Good points. I guess that discrete modem would be this one. Seems like very efficient, powerful one.

Qualcomm News and Events
 
EarlyMon said:
I believe that this illustrates where I stand on the storage issue. :D

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629M available is about where my Note 8 tablet is sitting right now! :eek: I've been trying desperately to keep that alive for as long as possible, but for every set of app updates, the number shrinks. I even removed some games that I had installed, but didn't play as often, just so I wouldn't get the "insufficient storage" notification.
 
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