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kryptonyt

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I love the way this site notices what my subject is and then presents me with a few choices that might answer my questions and i did find a great link with video clips and more.

That said, i'm thinking that i would much rather up the size of the card now if it is not a big deal to do some house keeping.

Talk to me about suggestions.

Right now i have an EVO 4 G which is running ...here is where i show signs of my early onset Alzheimers; i forget where to go to find the accurate details of what's under the hood. I'm not sure that the " about phone " has accurate information. Am i correct about this? Isn't this the information the comes with the phone and the only way it changes if you do a traditional update?

Mine says: Software number: 4.24.651.1 Android Version 2.3.3

i seem to recall in my first posts back in August of last year that i switched to Amon....
For now i will have to go back to those first posts to find out for sure.

In the mean time maybe someone could tell me what other info they might need to advise me further.

THNX AA
 
Low on space warnings refer to internal space and not the external memory. You should go to apps> manage apps most ROMS will give you a small graphbar that will show you how much internal memory left
 
kryptonyt said:
I love the way this site notices what my subject is and then presents me with a few choices that might answer my questions and i did find a great link with video clips and more.

That said, i'm thinking that i would much rather up the size of the card now if it is not a big deal to do some house keeping.

Talk to me about suggestions.

Right now i have an EVO 4 G which is running ...here is where i show signs of my early onset Alzheimers; i forget where to go to find the accurate details of what's under the hood. I'm not sure that the " about phone " has accurate information. Am i correct about this? Isn't this the information the comes with the phone and the only way it changes if you do a traditional update?

Mine says: Software number: 4.24.651.1 Android Version 2.3.3

i seem to recall in my first posts back in August of last year that i switched to Amon....
For now i will have to go back to those first posts to find out for sure.

In the mean time maybe someone could tell me what other info they might need to advise me further.

THNX AA
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in the about phone the info can be changed and it usually is by the dev. there are a few threads on xda on how to change the info yourself, if you want. but it is not recommended unless you know what you are doing.

and yes if you are getting that then you might want to consider upgrading your card now. i have this card:http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/413571-sharin-love-16gb-class-10-card-25-a.html and never had any issues.

you can get instructions on how to partition your card and other info as well here:http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all...ooting-dummies-guide-gingerbread-edition.html
 
In my experience you'll get low memory issues at about 40MB of internal storage. I would HIGHLY recommend getting a class 10 SD card and partitioning. Set it up with the default swap size and either a 500 MB or 1 GB partition depending on how many apps you like to install. I can't imagine ever needing more than a gig unless you were some kind of OCD app hoarder :)
 
MizzouBrent said:
In my experience you'll get low memory issues at about 40MB of internal storage. I would HIGHLY recommend getting a class 10 SD card and partitioning. Set it up with the default swap size and either a 500 MB or 1 GB partition depending on how many apps you like to install. I can't imagine ever needing more than a gig unless you were some kind of OCD app hoarder :)
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I think you meant "ext" size, not "swap" size, since swap won't give you any more storage space ;).
 
When I did mine I left swap at the default value. Doesn't it ask for that? It has been a long time since I partitioned
 
MizzouBrent said:
When I did mine I left swap at the default value. Doesn't it ask for that? It has been a long time since I partitioned
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Oh wow. I totally misread your post. No, you're right.

And, even though I'm not over on themikmik, this is for me:

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At Last Check I believe there is only one Kernel out that supports SWAP and I don't remember which one it was.

I can't imagine ever needing more than a gig unless you were some kind of OCD app hoarder :)
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You don't always have to pic on Ocnbrze :D really my 150 + apps has nothing to do with OCD :p
 
Thanks capt I knew someone had an Idea.

Swap is really a great way to compute. I'm surprised they didn't add it in stock. But I guess Dalvic Cache is what they were hoping would take its place. Ideally with swap you want to be around the 10% mark so if you have 100 gig then you would want about 10 for swap.

Anyway with out the kernel mentioned to support it, its of no use.
 
argedion said:
Low on space warnings refer to internal space and not the external memory. You should go to apps> manage apps most ROMS will give you a small graphbar that will show you how much internal memory left
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i found applications, then manage applications, "downloads" and at the bottom of the page it says: "Internal Storage" and 408MB used 19MB free

On the same page i can tab over to "running" at the bottom of the page it says
148MB used 209 MB free

Some of these apps that i down loaded i never used. But besides that the ones that are said to be running ie " CraigsBrowser " ( an app i have not used yet ) it says 5.3MB and appears to have a clock running. In fact all of the apps listed have this clock running and it appears to me that perhaps the clock is related to the order that they booted since they are all with-in a few seconds of each other.

Going a little deeper into this, one of the top tabs says " On SD card "
There are a total of 43 apps list and only 3 with check marks in the box next to the name: "Price Check" is checked and says 1.66MB ; Incredible photography" is also checked and says 224KB the last one checked is a plant identification app that doesn't work as i thought it might none-the-less it is checked and says 244KB.
Since all of these are on SD card i take it as you mentioned this is not part of the low memory notice.

Honestly i am not sure if i have a choice where to store apps that i download or if the go where they want to go. [ not sure if this is an accurate analogy but every program that i chose to install on my computer is pushy about wanting to run all the time; ready to pop into action if needed. i do my best to install them but to uncheck them loading when i start the computer. Isn't that option available with smartphone apps?

So to complete the examination of this function i checked once again the tab that says: " Downloaded" and counted the apps 76. Next to that tab it says "ALL" and there are 240 apps. Both tabs have the same info at the bottom of the page Internal storage 408MB used 19MB free

Lastly the info that comes up when i randomly choose one of the apps in the ALL tab there seems to be an option on some to move it to SD card or to phone. The plant identifier also has this info listed which is curious to me:
"Permission": This app can access the following on your phone: with an orange triangle and an ! mark in the center it has listed
"Storage" modify/delete SD card contents, "Your location" coarse ( network-based ) location, fine (GPS) location, and "Network communication" full internet access.

Sorry gang for all of this information. More often than not i think there is always too much information to full understand what they are saying and why they are saying it.

I need a separate post about the ESPN app that need a particular version of adobe reader which asks for permission to make room on the SD card as needed. So i did download those two apps but have not said yes to the permission question because it sound ominous to me.

Thanks for the help
 
ocnbrze said:
in the about phone the info can be changed and it usually is by the dev. there are a few threads on xda on how to change the info yourself, if you want. but it is not recommended unless you know what you are doing.

and yes if you are getting that then you might want to consider upgrading your card now. i have this card:http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all-things-root/413571-sharin-love-16gb-class-10-card-25-a.html and never had any issues.

you can get instructions on how to partition your card and other info as well here:http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-all...ooting-dummies-guide-gingerbread-edition.html
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Like argedion said, it seems to be my internal memory that is low.

That said what i was wondering about if i decide to up the size of the SD card has to do with transferring what is on the current card to the new card. Is that something that is done with a computer connection? Are those the questions that are answered in the rooting for dummies guide?

Thanks OB
 
kryptonyt said:
i found applications, then manage applications, "downloads" and at the bottom of the page it says: "Internal Storage" and 408MB used 19MB free

On the same page i can tab over to "running" at the bottom of the page it says
148MB used 209 MB free

Some of these apps that i down loaded i never used. But besides that the ones that are said to be running ie " CraigsBrowser " ( an app i have not used yet ) it says 5.3MB and appears to have a clock running. In fact all of the apps listed have this clock running and it appears to me that perhaps the clock is related to the order that they booted since they are all with-in a few seconds of each other.

Going a little deeper into this, one of the top tabs says " On SD card "
There are a total of 43 apps list and only 3 with check marks in the box next to the name: "Price Check" is checked and says 1.66MB ; Incredible photography" is also checked and says 224KB the last one checked is a plant identification app that doesn't work as i thought it might none-the-less it is checked and says 244KB.
Since all of these are on SD card i take it as you mentioned this is not part of the low memory notice.

Honestly i am not sure if i have a choice where to store apps that i download or if the go where they want to go. [ not sure if this is an accurate analogy but every program that i chose to install on my computer is pushy about wanting to run all the time; ready to pop into action if needed. i do my best to install them but to uncheck them loading when i start the computer. Isn't that option available with smartphone apps?

So to complete the examination of this function i checked once again the tab that says: " Downloaded" and counted the apps 76. Next to that tab it says "ALL" and there are 240 apps. Both tabs have the same info at the bottom of the page Internal storage 408MB used 19MB free

Lastly the info that comes up when i randomly choose one of the apps in the ALL tab there seems to be an option on some to move it to SD card or to phone. The plant identifier also has this info listed which is curious to me:
"Permission": This app can access the following on your phone: with an orange triangle and an ! mark in the center it has listed
"Storage" modify/delete SD card contents, "Your location" coarse ( network-based ) location, fine (GPS) location, and "Network communication" full internet access.

Sorry gang for all of this information. More often than not i think there is always too much information to full understand what they are saying and why they are saying it.

I need a separate post about the ESPN app that need a particular version of adobe reader which asks for permission to make room on the SD card as needed. So i did download those two apps but have not said yes to the permission question because it sound ominous to me.

Thanks for the help
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Ok first thing Lets get some info for you that will be helpful.

Apps that are on the SDCARD are only kinda there. I'll try to explain, Apps To Sd you find on the market only store apart of the app on the SDCARD this is usually the user data. A program that does actually move the programs over to the SDCARD is called DT a2sd. (Crap I need to go I'll try to fill in more later if anyone can help me it will be much appreciated.)
OK I'm on my phone so no links until I can get home or one of our guides, or users post them.

Dark Tremor a2sd moves the full application to a partition on your card. It is important that you partition before flashing dta2sd. You should be fine with 1gig. IMPORTANT BACK UP YOUR SDCARD BEFORE YOU PARTITION. Once partitioned you can safely flash dt
 
kryptonyt said:
Like argedion said, it seems to be my internal memory that is low.

That said what i was wondering about if i decide to up the size of the SD card has to do with transferring what is on the current card to the new card. Is that something that is done with a computer connection? Are those the questions that are answered in the rooting for dummies guide?

Thanks OB
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the whole idea about getting a new card is not really size (though that helps) but it the speed of the card. to really help with internal storage you need to partition your card and then move your apps over to the card. this is accomplished bu two ways. either the rom has a2sd built in or you can flash darktremors and then command the apps fully to the card. and because the app is on the card a faster card will really help with performance of the app. (mostly essential for games, some have said a class 4 works for them.)

like argedion said the apps2sd card function that was first introduced on froyo only moves part of the app to the card. the rest of the app is still on the phone. by creating a partition on your card a sym link will be created as either the rom or dt moves the app. this sym link is on your phone and sort of tricks your phone into thinking that the app is still on the card. it links the apps on your card to your phone.

the guide i linked you earlier goes into more details about it. i suggest that you read it.

just to give you an idea i had over 150 apps and still had 200 mb free on mikg!!!
 
ocnbrze said:
the whole idea about getting a new card is not really size (though that helps) but it the speed of the card. to really help with internal storage you need to partition your card and then move your apps over to the card. this is accomplished bu two ways. either the rom has a2sd built in or you can flash darktremors and then command the apps fully to the card. and because the app is on the card a faster card will really help with performance of the app. (mostly essential for games, some have said a class 4 works for them.)

like argedion said the apps2sd card function that was first introduced on froyo only moves part of the app to the card. the rest of the app is still on the phone. by creating a partition on your card a sym link will be created as either the rom or dt moves the app. this sym link is on your phone and sort of tricks your phone into thinking that the app is still on the card. it links the apps on your card to your phone.

the guide i linked you earlier goes into more details about it. i suggest that you read it.

just to give you an idea i had over 150 apps and still had 200 mb free on mikg!!!
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First i want to apologize for disappearing. i got blindsided by these killer headaches and medical care these days is a joke if you ask me and it has nothing to do with the type of insurance a person has. It seems to me that doctors guess at what a person has if all of the expensive tests come back "negative" or minus information that in my case might show an aneurism. It seems like a big chunk of time is missing. i only vaguely remembered posting this question here and only got back to it today.

I re-read every post including my own in this thread and I'm not sure if i've been told what is causing this message and what to do about it. It seems to me that it is NOT my SD card so all of the instruction and conversation about swapping it out to a larger one doesn't appear to be the answer to my problem or am i wrong about that? If i missed something please help me get how that change will make the low space message go away.

Since my last visit here I just noticed these numbers:
"410 MB Used Internal Storage 17 MB Free" These numbers appear when I actually click on " Low Storage " and it lists apps with the amount of usage ie: Netflix 27.45, Adobe Air 24.52 Ultimate Drive 12.69. Why these are listed I'm not sure ( not alphabetical ) but it may list every app on my phone with the ones at the end of the list showing 0.00. My home screen is one of the standard HTC screens which includes an active weather app yet two of the weather apps say 0.00 use which adds to the confusion.

I know my posts are lengthy most of the time and I kinda liken it to going to the doctors office in this way: It seems to me that conditions: what is going on and or what is not going on may help the person you are talking with understand better what might be causing " the problem ".

Most people I mention this problem to suggests changing my SD card. But the SD card seems to have a majority of space available.

Isn't this message addressing a different type of "memory"? If it is what are the solutions? I know "Adobe Air" is an app that I was told in a message that I needed to either download or activate for several other apps like ESPN and a few other apps associated with watching TV on my Droid.
Fearing a crash if I try using one of these watching TV apps because of the low space message I have not tried any of them.

So is my problem related to the SD card? If not what can I do to delete or move the apps that lend them-self to this memory usage?

Thanks Again to all!

PS I have a program on my laptop called HTC SYNC Can that be used to accomplish freeing up memory?
 
Hey Kryp!

Hope you get your health issues ironed out. Here is kind of a general overview of stuff to get you started thinking about this again.

Which rom are you running, do you remember? Can prob find it under menu/settings/about phone in there somewhere. I think you were running a Mik rom. His later ones, for sure, support something called a2sd which stands for apps to sd, as in putting the apps onto the sd card. It does a really good sneaky job of it. It creates a symbolic link in your internal memory but puts most of the app, more than other methods do, onto your sd card. right now you have all these apps in your internal memory of your phone and you are running out of space.

What the guys have been telling you is that there is a way to get the bulk of those apps moved over to the sd card and free up a bunch of the room in your internal memory. It uses that a2sd function that is built in to some of the roms, like Mik roms, for example.

They were telling you there are 2 ways to do it but that the best way is to get a new sd card of a good size, like 16 gig and a faster CLASS of card. This has to do with the speed the card can work, like read write and seek info, if I understand correctly myself. This is so you do not experience any lag when running apps from the card.

Did you ever purchase the Titanium Backup Pro app? It can be used to make backups of your apps for when you transfer to other roms and cards and such. It can also be used to 'freeze' apps you are not sure if it is safe to remove and, after running for a while with no ill effects, delete them from your phone's memory. Also can be used for housecleaning, getting rid of junk you know you are never gonna use

So, once you have purchased a new preferably class 10 card, you would put it into your phone and use recovery to partition it in accordance with the guide, with prob no more than a 1 gig partition.

Afterwards, you could reflash the rom and redownload the apps or put your Titanium Backup onto the new card and redownload the TB app and pro key and then restore your missing apps and data with the batch function, being careful not to restore any of the apps that have red lettering. That would put a lot of the stuff now filling your phone's internal memory into that partition you created, called the sd-ext. and you would have plenty of room again and quit getting that message.

There are specific steps and a number of different ways to go about this, just want to know if you get the concept first, at this point. Let us know if you have any questions or need those specifics.
 
you are correct kryptonyt. the sd card and internal storage (in htis case ram) are two separate things. but on the evo your apps and its data is stored in the ram which is very small and will slow down the phone as it gets used up. htc has tried to do this but it only moves part of the app to the sd card. the rest stays on the phone. so really it only frees up a little bit of room. so what the devs have done was able to figure out a way to move the apps off of the internal storage and move it to the sd card. thus freeing up ram. the process is called a2sd.

to move the apps to the card you will need to have a custom recovery that can partition your sd card. and like dusty has said, the apps will then be moved into this partition you created on the card. and on your phone a symobolic link will be created so that your phone will be able to find the app on your card.
 
Have you tried the built in app2sd in settings>applications>manage applications>on sd card> then click on any app and click move to sd card. Apps that cant be moved will have the option grayed out. Do this if you dont wanna partition. It should free up some space. If thats not enough then your only options are to delete apps or partition.
 
Hey Dust,

TNX4 the well wishes. From your lips to the ears of the listener; the hardest thing is coping with the idea that it might be age related. In my minds eye i see myself in the ring when i watch MMA usually knocking myself out from my own excitement. LOL

My Droid is on charge now and i have taken to charging it in the off position and true or not true possible or not possible it seems that i have brought my battery back from the brink of uselessness. So it has another 30 mins before i will turn it back on to report about the my ROM. i probably can go to my first post which is where and when i found out about ROMs and changing them. It has not been changed nor updated since. i figure why fix what's not broken. Maybe you'all will have some opinions about that when we find out that my ROM is a Model T. <g>

[ about this battery thing: Back in January we did a trip to FL from NC and on the trip i let the GF drive so i played with the phone and for the first time ran the battery down before the end of the trip. i plugged the phone into the lighter and continued to play with the apps ( love that gas buddy app and a few others that gave information about the trip and our position. i also tried to activate the ESPN app and another cable app in hopes of watching some sports. i clearly remember the phone getting so freak'n hot that i could hardly hold it. One of my first cell phones was like that when i'd talk on it a long time plugged in or not. i couldn't help wonder how much radiation that thing was putting out....hmmm maybe THAT is contributing to these headaches???? In any event, after we arrived in FL i had to charge the phone at least 2 times a day with minimum use. When i paid my bill i asked the tech at the store what might be wrong. He asked if i used the phone while it was plugged into the charger. Of course i told him yes and he replied that THAT is a battery slayer. Before the trip i could sometimes go two days without needing to charge it. After the trip i couldn't leave it on overnight without risking the red warning light. The guy i got the phone told me a few MAJOR DO NOT's #1 DO NOT ALLOW THE BATTERY TO RUN OUT! He said that it might be a smart phone but was not smart enough to keep it's identity. So i simply listened to his admonishment and have not had to find out if he was right or not. So this charging several times a day is for the birds!. But since January i followed this old practice of charging in the off position. Although i have not tried to leave it on all night i think that it might now make it all the way to sunrise without charging. If i'm correct then this practice retrained and or reconditioned the battery. i even keep a book of numbers so i can graph the way it changed.

Talk about digressions! If this information is true and good and someone gets something positive out of it then it is a good digression. <s>
 
I hear you man. :p

There was a thread in here about a guy who had trouble with his phone and had to put the battery in the fridge to get it where it would work again and the phone to fire back up.

Strange things, these batteries. There is a good thread in here too about the internal workings of the things and which SBC kernels did the best job of charging them.

My suggestion is to spend you 26 bucks and get this combo and free shipping. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0050MUSLY/ref=cm_cmu_pg_item

Good deal! and those are some fine quality batteries!

As far as roms go, I was on the Mikg3.11 forever. I did it the upgrade way but there is a download of the full version. Sounded like some folk were having problems with it i wasn't by going the upgrade route, but it could just have been vagaries in their phones. The do not all act the same, it has become apparent.

lately I have been on Decks Reloaded .44rls rom... man, talk about BA! It is wonderful. Only annoyance I have found with it is I go to wake it up and I have to wipe my finger across it to get the screen to light up. Minor.

It is an AOSP rom, so it is different from the Sense roms you are used to but I use the GoLauncher and it compensates for any perceived lacks.

Let us know if you need some links! Get that battery charger and the batteries and car charger though!
 
routerunner said:
Have you tried the built in app2sd in settings>applications>manage applications>on sd card> then click on any app and click move to sd card. Apps that cant be moved will have the option grayed out. Do this if you dont wanna partition. It should free up some space. If thats not enough then your only options are to delete apps or partition.
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Found my way to "manage applications" and yes there seems to be options to "move to SD card" or " move to phone". i can also uninstall so i am taking the opportunity to delete a few apps that i have not used. We'll see what happens.
I'm guessing that i may need to reboot the phone.
 
routerunner said:
Have you tried the built in app2sd in settings>applications>manage applications>on sd card> then click on any app and click move to sd card. Apps that cant be moved will have the option grayed out. Do this if you dont wanna partition. It should free up some space. If thats not enough then your only options are to delete apps or partition.
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Without rebooting i watched the warning icon for low memory disappear after moving 3 apps and deleting one.

WOW! Thanks.
 
argedion said:
Ok first thing Lets get some info for you that will be helpful.

Apps that are on the SDCARD are only kinda there. I'll try to explain, Apps To Sd you find on the market only store apart of the app on the SDCARD this is usually the user data. A program that does actually move the programs over to the SDCARD is called DT a2sd. (Crap I need to go I'll try to fill in more later if anyone can help me it will be much appreciated.)
OK I'm on my phone so no links until I can get home or one of our guides, or users post them.

Dark Tremor a2sd moves the full application to a partition on your card. It is important that you partition before flashing dta2sd. You should be fine with 1gig. IMPORTANT BACK UP YOUR SDCARD BEFORE YOU PARTITION. Once partitioned you can safely flash dt
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So now that i've managed to free up some space simply by moving the app to the SD card i'm wondering if the app will still work and if it does will it be impaired by the speed of the SD card? Makes sense to get the fastest card available if it improves performance.
 
dustwun77 said:
I hear you man. :p

There was a thread in here about a guy who had trouble with his phone and had to put the battery in the fridge to get it where it would work again and the phone to fire back up.

Strange things, these batteries. There is a good thread in here too about the internal workings of the things and which SBC kernels did the best job of charging them.

My suggestion is to spend you 26 bucks and get this combo and free shipping. Amazon.com: Anker
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kryptonyt said:
So now that i've managed to free up some space simply by moving the app to the SD card i'm wondering if the app will still work and if it does will it be impaired by the speed of the SD card? Makes sense to get the fastest card available if it improves performance.
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ok so that feature is called apps2sd (not to be confused with a2sd) this only moves part of the app to the card. the rest is still on the phone. also when you use it, any widgets associated with that app will not work anymore. a2sd moves the entire app to the card only leaving a symbolic link to tell the phne where to find the app on the sd card. to truly have plenty of internal space is to use a2sd with a faster card. when i had my og evo i had 200mb free internally with over 150 apps on the card!!!!!
kryptonyt said:
i ordered the bat+charger. Great deal great advice as always from you all!

It is always a question about my ROM and Kernel. Can i post this info with my name so we all know and i don't have to go back looking for what it is because i don't remember and ( if this is not an accurate statement please correct me ) because the info in "about phone" may not be as accurate as one might think. i often go back to that first post to read what was recommended and what i followed.
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yes you can. if you look near the top of the forum page there is a blue strip with links to all kinds of stuff. one of those links is the link to your User CP click on that. this is where you can edit your info that appears on your member page and also when you post. you can put the info on your signature or in the device section.
 
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