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NSA Secretly Collecting Phone Records

my parents know of 2 people that are well off.. own business.. and rental property.
they know how to hide the wealth..and work the system.

they have the free phones for homeless.. and medikare..
our taxes at work!!!

(note: why does AF.. hide the word "medikare" = "med*****"???? (K=c)
 
It's a famous spam site.

I'll see if I can adjust the filter.

PS -

OK - medicare.

And please drop us a line on this stuff, it's not like we're going to read every post, thanks.
 
The NSA has enough dirt on every politician or potential candidate that there will be no check on NSA growth. Naturally, the CIA, FBI and other Fed and State agencies will line up with NSA to keep within its good graces.

Good time to buy stock of Booz Allen Hamilton. Corporatism at its finest as it won't need to hire a horde of lobbyist, just some money to produce a few glossy photos for those politicians that need a little education on the great service that NSA and Booz Allen Hamilton provide the country.

Liberal icon Frank Church on the NSA | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

"In the mid-1970s, the US Senate formed the Select Intelligence Committee to investigate reports of the widespread domestic surveillance abuses that had emerged in the wake of the Nixon scandals. The Committee was chaired by 4-term Idaho Democratic Sen. Frank Church who was, among other things, a former military intelligence officer and one of the Senate's earliest opponents of the Vietnam War, as well as a former Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

Even among US Senators, virtually nothing was known at the time about the National Security Agency. The Beltway joke was that "NSA" stood for "no such agency". Upon completing his investigation, Church was so shocked to learn what he had discovered - the massive and awesome spying capabilities constructed by the US government with no transparency or accountability - that he issued the following warning, as reported by the New York Times, using language strikingly stark for such a mainstream US politician when speaking about his own government:
'That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide.'

He added that if a dictator ever took over, the NSA 'could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back.'"
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jova33 said:
They tried to limit the amount that could be donated to campaign funds, but it was declared unconstitutional, violates the first amendment...... somehow.
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Bribery is the divine right of the oligarchy, a long and cherished tradition, so its no surprise the sockpuppets, a.k.a., US Supreme Court would strike down any restrictions to this divine right.
 
jova33 said:
"... I'd never read 1984 before. I saw the movie many years ago. I just now started reading the book. I'm about 30 pages into it. Some of the stuff I read in there, I'm just like, why isn't anyone suing the US government for plagiarism? It's like they took stuff straight out of the book and implemented it. Doublespeak, spying on everyone in their homes.
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The Animal Farm movie was financed by the CIA, after obtaining the film rights from Orwell's widow. The movie had some major differences from the book.
 
jova33 said:
Well I read animal farm, never saw the movie. Do you think the 1984 movie had the same fate.
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Sorry, I was referring to the 1954 movie. Just looked up that Hallmark released a TV version in 1999, don't know if the CIA was involved in this version or had sold the film rights.

I've read the book many years ago, but haven't seen any of film versions.

Edit: As far as I know, the CIA wasn't involved in the movie 1984, but it could still be classified.
 
Lol. Maybe an anti-socialism statement, but the thing is, tyranny can come from any corner of the political spectrum. Even though our government isn't communist, is it really for the people anymore?
 
jova33 said:
Lol. Maybe an anti-socialism statement, but the thing is, tyranny can come from any corner of the political spectrum. Even though our government isn't communist, is it really for the people anymore?
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Concentration of power, be it left, right, up, down, etc. will lead to hubris, with its historical issues.

Us individual humans also suffer from the same, thus the creation of government of the people, for the people to mitigate our limited individual perspectives.
 
jova33 said:
Lol. Maybe an anti-socialism statement, but the thing is, tyranny can come from any corner of the political spectrum. Even though our government isn't communist, is it really for the people anymore?
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If you are on about Orwell, he was actually a socialist. He was more warning about the dangers of Stalinism and totalitarianism in general.
 
Socialism could work.... it's just most major examples of it in the last 80 years haven't turned out the greatest. They were socialist dictatorships.
And China isn't even completely communist anymore.
 
jova33 said:
Socialism could work.... it's just most major examples of it in the last 80 years haven't turned out the greatest. They were socialist dictatorships.
And China isn't even completely communist anymore.
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Socialism can not ever work because of one simple fact: Government can not give anyone anything without first taking something from someone else. Socialism punishes success by taking more from productive members of society and giving it to non productive people. It destroys all motivation to become successful.
 
Works in Norway. Sure, half your paycheck goes to the government, but healthcare and education are completely paid for. It gives everyone the tools to become successful.

Anyway, back on topic, is Edward Snowden done leaking documents? I want to know what else he's got. I want to know why all these companies are denying any knowledge of PRISM when it's clear they were working hand in hand with the NSA. Makes me sick that this is going on.
 
jova33 said:
Works in Norway. Sure, half your paycheck goes to the government, but healthcare and education are completely paid for. It gives everyone the tools to become successful.

Anyway, back on topic, is Edward Snowden done leaking documents? I want to know what else he's got. I want to know why all these companies are denying any knowledge of PRISM when it's clear they were working hand in hand with the NSA. Makes me sick that this is going on.
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I sure hope he is not! People in this country need to wake up to all the unconstitutional, criminal things our government is doing to us so that we can start correcting it.
 
chrlswltrs said:
Socialism can not ever work because of one simple fact: Government can not give anyone anything without first taking something from someone else. Socialism punishes success by taking more from productive members of society and giving it to non productive people. It destroys all motivation to become successful.
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Actually, various flavours of socialism have worked pretty well in lots of countries, including for example, Norway and Sweden.

Norway is the per-capita richest country in the world and is usually at or toward the top of lists of the best counrtries in which to live.

Also, you'll doubtless recall that, but a couple of years ago, the richest man on earth was a Swede (the guy from Ikea) - guess his motivation wasn't destroyed ..

Also, the country with the most dynamic - and soon to be biggest - economy in the world is .. communist. Nominally, anyway.
 
chrlswltrs said:
I sure hope he is not! People in this country need to wake up to all the unconstitutional, criminal things our government is doing to us so that we can start correcting it.
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I read that Russia wanted him to stop leaking, then they'd consider his asylum request, so he stopped leaking.
Personally I think he should dump it all out, everything illegal-scratch that- legal that's going on that violates our most basic rights. All these companies are denying knowledge of PRISM, and I ALMOST believed them. But he should let it all out, and let them give him a trial. I know he won't have a fair trial, the smear campaign against him has people from all over calling him a traitor, but I think Snowden's approval ratings are higher than Obama's right now.
 
chrlswltrs said:
I sure hope he is not! People in this country need to wake up to all the unconstitutional, criminal things our government is doing to us so that we can start correcting it.
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I agree. I hope that he has a lot more information for us. Hes a hero of the American people.
 
My personal opinion of this is that he should have never left the USA and took what's coming to him as far as that goes with having more believe ability and not being able to have the People that he's whistle blowing on government to try & portray him as some kind of terrorist by running to different other countries looking for asylum, me myself also believe in that this whole Zimmerman thing has been away to take attention off the NSA and Obama and the incriminating stuff that they're doing behind peoples back ,Ben Franklin said that those who would have to give up a little bit of Liberty for Security deserves neither, & Hitlers sayings is devide & disarm your country is you want to rule without civilian rebellion, & we came we saw we conquered , so there doing a good job i feel almost lost on what too do here, but I still think that NSA leakleaker Edward shouldve stayed & took whatever consequence became on him for this he already knew hed be giving up his life once he did,
 
He should be protected by the whistle blower act. Look at Bradley Manning, he's going to be serving life in prison for, "aiding and abetting the enemy" when he leaked war crimes.

Snowden would've never had a fair trial. He would be in solitary confinement for over a year before it even went to trial. No human contact, no lawyer because he'd probably be charged with treason, and if convicted, he'd spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement with no contact to the outside world. Would you stick around for that? Would you stick around for that knowing you were doing the right thing? I'd be in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US.

He should have nothing coming for him, and there should be no consequence.
 
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