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NSA Secretly Collecting Phone Records

I probably would have never whistleblowed but as highly intelligence & intellectual he was theres ways of leaking that info like deepthroat during the nixon scandle was never ever known till they came out , & ed must be extremely smart to get the job in the first place, my concern is no matter what theres no such thing as perfection in protection with computers of any kind, firewall or not theres also human error to count for & everyones calls data being stored in a giant storage server, one rule i learned is if theres a way out to gather & bring in that data to sort that right there tells me there is a incoming & outgoing connections so now all these data of everyone on giant storage drives just makes me scared to death it just seems so irrisposabily stupied,

I think the usa people like myself do have a right to know so if our identies or worse are stolen we know who to blame
 
He should be protected by the whistle blower act. Look at Bradley Manning, he's going to be serving life in prison for, "aiding and abetting the enemy" when he leaked war crimes.

Snowden would've never had a fair trial. He would be in solitary confinement for over a year before it even went to trial. No human contact, no lawyer because he'd probably be charged with treason, and if convicted, he'd spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement with no contact to the outside world. Would you stick around for that? Would you stick around for that knowing you were doing the right thing? I'd be in a country that has no extradition treaty with the US.

He should have nothing coming for him, and there should be no consequence.

Completely agree! Have you read how Bradley Manning is "living" now? His is kept naked in a small dark solitary confinement cell for 23 hours a day.

Snowden left because he had to. Obama's administration has already prosecuted 4x more people for whistle blowing under the espionage act than all previous administrations combined. He has made it very clear he doesn't want the public to know what crimes the government is committing and will severely punish anyone who exposes the crimes.
 
I know that isn't right its fn wrong i don't care if they say if u got nothing to hide u shouldn't mind that's not the point, where born these rights & there being dissected everyday by the Obama Administration, its wrong, like i said in first post idk what really to do about it lets hope the Alcu thats trying to sue the administration on behalf of the people whos complained about it, can actually do something, theres certain things this country was off of to protect us from big Gov or Corporate Gov & i know i complained idk care i have nothing to hide but if some stranger demanded to use my crapper & i said no & he broke in & used my crapper thats a invasion of my space my privacy my Bubble & if i had a firearm in that event id feel i had the right to shoot especially if i had a family to me its no diffrent that common sense, it frustrating & i feel violated. By it, somewhat like a tomcat was watching me through binoculars while i showered it dont feel right it feels violating & paying for a service to allow that feels like we should get reimbursement
 
It's not just Verizon. It's all services. Most major email, internet, operating systems, Google, Apple, Microsoft....

How do they do it? They made it legal to come up with these blanket warrants that cover everyone. They collect and record everything you do and say. It's all stored in a massive facility in Utah that can hold zettabytes of data. Then if your name ever pops up on their radar, they've got everything you've been doing and everyone you've talked to recorded for the past two years. If I'm an actual "terror" suspect, they're allowed to look at three hops from me. 1 hop, everyone I know(think Facebook friends list). 2 hops, everyone my friends know. 3 hops, everyone my friends friends know.
Ever heard of the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon? Basically everyone in Hollywood can be connected to Kevin Bacon through movies in 6 hops. With social networking, you could potentially cover the whole USA in three hops.
Shoot, I talked to one of the Boston bombers friends after the bombing. Some stoner kid. Bet they've looked me over.

And just because you're not in America, and your country's laws protect against domestic spying, don't think you're safe. Your country can't spy on you, but the US can, and your government can have access to those records from America. And America supports crazed oppressive regimes too.
This isn't just Americans' problem, it's a global problem.
 
Works in Norway. Sure, half your paycheck goes to the government, but healthcare and education are completely paid for. It gives everyone the tools to become successful.

Norway isn't socialist at all. America just has an unbalanced view. State spending only means so much. It's easier to set up a business and hire good workers in Denmark, compared to less state dominated European countries which are more neo-liberal, such as Turkey.

And the average level of combined taxes on income in Norway is much less than 50%. Norway's success is mostly thanks to good management of oil, Finland or Sweden might be more comparable to the US (they aren't densely populated, they have some level of resources etc).
 
Amash amendment is voted on tomorrow.
Basically limits the NSA's ability to spy on anyone and everyone without cause.

Bet you didn't h hear about that on the news.
 
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll412.xml

And just like that, our representatives in the house vote to backup the Whitehouse and domestic spying. They knocked down the Amash amendment by 12 votes.

That is pathetic! Every one of those traitors that voted no betrayed every citizen they are supposed to represent. Millions of Americans (including myself) have lost all faith in our government because they actively take our liberties and go against the will of the people every chance they get. Our current representatives in both the legislative and executive branch are all sick and pathetic American hating idiots!!
 
I wrote my congressman. The problem is, not enough Americans give a f***. What are the top stories? Anthony Wiener, the royal baby, and what else?

The government is only as powerful as We the People allow it, and and must people don't even care. It's a sad sad world.
 
I wrote my congressman. The problem is, not enough Americans give a f***. What are the top stories? Anthony Wiener, the royal baby, and what else?

The government is only as powerful as We the People allow it, and and must people don't even care. It's a sad sad world.

Journalist are very few and far between now, and the real journalists can't work for MSM. There are millions waking up though. Those of us that are awake and have a clue about what is going on need to spread the word.

Unfortunately, far to many still care more about American Idol, kardasian, etc, than their freedoms being eroded everyday. They won't care until it is too late. Makes me furious!!!
 
The incumbent usually wins, less than 40% of people actually vote in congressional elections, and honesty never gets you anywhere in politics.
 
The incumbent usually wins, less than 40% of people actually vote in congressional elections, and honesty never gets you anywhere in politics.
Well perhaps campaigning for political reform would be a plan.

It's something everyone can support, from the far right to Greens.
 
I received a response from my congressman regarding his vote against the Amash amendment. This is a long email, so bear with me:
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July 31, 2013
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Dear John,
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Two months ago, when Edward Snowden stole and leaked American classified information to the world, he simultaneously shed light on a program that was unnecessarily shrouded and damaged intelligence capabilities around the world.* Since that time, Americans have engaged in a national debate on the proper role of government and the storage of our personal information.**
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All of us are aware that private entities like banks, internet providers, phone companies, and credit card companies store significant data on each of us, a process deemed constitutional by the Supreme Court in*Smith v. Maryland.* The Court ruled that because consumers knowingly allow telephone companies access to their phone records, they cannot claim "any general expectation that the numbers they dial will remain secret."* However, none of us were aware that the NSA also keeps a list of millions of phone calls transmitted in America.*
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Initial reports led Americans to believe that the NSA keeps the contents of each call as well, but that information has proven to be completely false.* The NSA does not listen to or record any phone calls unless a specific court order is issued to tap a specific phone for a criminal case, nor does the NSA maintain a database of email content or email traffic.* Early reports also implied that all Members of Congress were informed of this program, but I can assure you that we were not.
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Since the information leaked, I have participated in numerous classified briefings, face-to-face meetings, and lengthy conversations about the privacy and security implications of this program.* I have concluded that the NSA and the courts put into place many essential safeguards for this program but not enough to satisfy me or many of the people I represent in central Oklahoma.* I have great respect for our defense and intelligence personnel, and I expect our national security team to work daily to protect American citizens from foreign terror plots and real threats, within constitutional boundaries.* We must guard our liberties with great diligence while we also protect our citizens.*
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We cannot surrender our privacy for constant promises of future security.* Our Constitution does not permit it, and we should not allow it.* Liberty is the right of each person, but security is a task for government and each individual.* We cannot confuse our rights with our tasks.* Clearly our rights take priority.* Now, the real question is not if we should fix this problem, but how.*
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After a month of personal investigation and verification, here is what I know about the 215 NSA program:* The NSA has stored in a secure location a massive list of phone calls made in the United States.* Every time the database is accessed for any reason, House and Senate Intelligence Committee personnel are notified with the details of that search.* When our intelligence community discovers an overseas phone number of a known terrorist or when they pick up a phone on an overseas terrorist, they quickly determine whether they have called an American phone number.* If they have contacted a number based in the United States, they reach into the NSA phone number database and try to discover when the call was placed and the duration of the call to that U.S. phone.*
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The NSA database does not include any names connected to the phone number, content of the call, or GPS location information.* The agency only has access to the sending and receiving call numbers, the date, time and duration of the call.**If law enforcement determines that there is reasonable suspicion, they must get a separate court order before they can acquire the name connected to the call or any other information.*
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This level of accountability is reasonable, but it also fails to include a citizen advocate outside of the court to argue for any specific record search.* Before the NSA searches through a database that includes my records, my mom's records, or yours, I want to know that someone is speaking up on my behalf.* I also want to know why a database is necessary to keep in federal control, instead of the private hands in which it currently resides.*
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As you know, Major Nidal Hasan brutally shot his fellow soldiers in cold blood at Fort Hood, Texas, and his trial is ongoing even now.* Following his attack, it was discovered that he was communicating with a foreign radical Muslim cleric.* Many people asked me after the shooting why the intelligence community did not pick up on that communication and confront Hasan before he killed 13 soldiers on American soil.
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On the other hand, since 2007, under this system, U.S. security and intelligence authorities thwarted a plot to bomb the New York City subway system and 53 other foreign-connected attacks in 20 different countries.* While the system is not perfect, it has saved hundreds
 
Yup, he's full of it, believe Mr. Lankford should be offered the opportunity to seek other employment.

XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet' | World news | theguardian.com

"I, sitting at my desk," said Snowden, could "wiretap anyone, from you or your accountant, to a federal judge or even the president, if I had a personal email".

US officials vehemently denied this specific claim. Mike Rogers, the Republican chairman of the House intelligence committee, said of Snowden's assertion: "He's lying. It's impossible for him to do what he was saying he could do."

But training materials for XKeyscore detail how analysts can use it and other systems to mine enormous agency databases by filling in a simple on-screen form giving only a broad justification for the search. The request is not reviewed by a court or any NSA personnel before it is processed.

XKeyscore, the documents boast, is the NSA's "widest reaching" system developing intelligence from computer networks – what the agency calls Digital Network Intelligence (DNI). One presentation claims the program covers "nearly everything a typical user does on the internet", including the content of emails, websites visited and searches, as well as their metadata.

Analysts can also use XKeyscore and other NSA systems to obtain ongoing "real-time" interception of an individual's internet activity."
 
Well, my email simply said something along lines of his vote against the Amash amendment was not in line with his constituents wishes, and if he wanted to secure his seat in congress for another term he better have a good explanation.
 
So in all the debacle about privacy and hacks these days I read about the possibility of government agencies and/or hackers using exploits to access and activate the phone's mic and camera.

One guy said that devices running custom roms are safe. But other said that the base of the running system is locked up by google and he can grant access at any time.

What do you guys, whom know the entrails of the system think?
 
So in all the debacle about privacy and hacks these days I read about the possibility of government agencies and/or hackers using exploits to access and activate the phone's mic and camera.

One guy said that devices running custom roms are safe. But other said that the base of the running system is locked up by google and he can grant access at any time.

What do you guys, whom know the entrails of the system think?


If your worried about it run a firewall app. Most of them are frontend for iptables. Most people run a firewall on there computers, and a smart phone is just a computer you happen to make calls on. Granted a properly motivated individual can find a way around a firewall, but take a second to think like a thief. Why would steal a locked car when the one next to it is running.
 
the NSA can always hack your phone... whatever phone you have android or not... they can go through the service provider using your spc... if you wanna add some security, change your default spc... This has been for a while... for years now when reporters are interviewing a highly ranked officer in whatever agencies, they are always told to remove the battery out of their phone...
 
If your worried about it run a firewall app. Most of them are frontend for iptables. Most people run a firewall on there computers, and a smart phone is just a computer you happen to make calls on. Granted a properly motivated individual can find a way around a firewall, but take a second to think like a thief. Why would steal a locked car when the one next to it is running.

Not really worried, I was just thinking on the implications, I know a forgotten liberty is a lost one, but they are welcome to tune in and hear my kids play all day Lol.

And you are right about firewalls, I never thought in one for my phone!
 
the NSA can always hack your phone... whatever phone you have android or not... they can go through the service provider using your spc... if you wanna add some security, change your default spc... This has been for a while... for years now when reporters are interviewing a highly ranked officer in whatever agencies, they are always told to remove the battery out of their phone...

You are completely right! The main question is if a rom makes any difference in the ability to hack it...

I somewhat know or assume that the code needs to be somewhat the same as the stock for it to work, but I know also that many thing get stripped from them.

And google glass! Free surveillance agents! Lol
 
We remove as much invasive stuff as we can, but that's not to say that we found it all. I'm pretty sure the only way to ensure privacy in communication any more is Tony Soprano style. Hide in the basement and speak quietly next to an AC unit lol
 
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