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***Official Galaxy Nexus Pre-Release speculation thread**

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redraider1 said:
I agree with you. I mean launching 3 superphones on the same day could be a huge day for verizon. I mean if you are worried about the returns launch them the same day so everyone can play with them all in store and then decide. It isnt going to take away any sales it will in fact add more sales. I mean i am going to get a phone whether I have to wait or not it just makes more sense to get them out now and capitalize on people's wants for these phones.
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I wonder if the issue is the pre-orders? By announcing the G-Nex now, it may prevent some people from pre-ordering the RAZR tomorrow. Guaranteed money now (preorder) is always better than possible money tomorrow (wait for people to play with phones in the store and then maybe pick one they like). Plus, if someone preorders the RAZR only to then decide they actually want the G-Nex, VZ gets a nice $35 restocking fee. I imagine we'll see these successive phones announced shortly after the pre-order of the prior phone. I don't know if this is right or not, but it's my best attempt at making sense of the way Verizon is unrolling all this.
 
OK, so I just spoke to a Verizon rep. Had to call in about bill issues. Figured I would ask about the nexus. 1 thing that stood out to me was that she said they only had a16gb version for their info. Now don't shoot the messenger here. Although I don't put too much stock into that, cause I'm sure the info the reps get is subject to change and not always correct from my past history. Thought I would share though. Cmon 32 gb.
 
Travillion said:
I wonder if the issue is the pre-orders? By announcing the G-Nex now, it may prevent some people from pre-ordering the RAZR tomorrow. Guaranteed money now (preorder) is always better than possible money tomorrow (wait for people to play with phones in the store and then maybe pick one they like). Plus, if someone preorders the RAZR only to then decide they actually want the G-Nex, VZ gets a nice $35 restocking fee. I imagine we'll see these successive phones announced shortly after the pre-order of the prior phone. I don't know if this is right or not, but it's my best attempt at making sense of the way Verizon is unrolling all this.
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Verizon still loses money since a return they can't sell as brand new.
 
magdelaine said:
Not to spark another pentile debate, but is this really all we can expect from an HD screen? I'm very disappointed that I'm going to have to "settle"...I'd rather have crappy battery life and an awesome screen. Apparently an awesome screen just doesn't exist these days unless it's on an iPhone. I don't know...I may be looking at the HTC Vigor more closely when these things finally hit stores. My OG spoiled me!
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That to me looks like something software can fix (e.g., adjust the white balance). Plus, looking at the software keys on the picture you can tell it's running an older build of ICS. I would not be surprised to see the yellow tint gone by the time we actually get one in our hands. The screen looked like it had good whites in the unveiling video, which would be the updated software build.
 
redraider1 said:
You can return the phone amd end the contract so your point is moot. 14 day guarantee if you return it nothing says you have to stay with verizon.
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My point was that companies place customer retention over all else, because having you as a customer, but buying/replacing/returning/whatever any sort of device still means you are buying the device from them. The manufacturer gives them incentives for each phone moved (kind of like how car sales work) and even selling at $50 less than brand new, they're still making money - but by offering multiple tasty devices, they retain the customer, which is the more important variable.
 
magdelaine said:
Not to spark another pentile debate, but is this really all we can expect from an HD screen? I'm very disappointed that I'm going to have to "settle"...I'd rather have crappy battery life and an awesome screen. Apparently an awesome screen just doesn't exist these days unless it's on an iPhone. I don't know...I may be looking at the HTC Vigor more closely when these things finally hit stores. My OG spoiled me!
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To me, the iPhone looks washed out in this picture. Like it has poor contrast by comparison.
 
redraider1 said:
You also have to take into account the camera that took the pics of the phones. To me the screen doesnt look like that when you actually hold it sometimes cameras take weird pics of the screen. I know that happened to me before and I would assume the screen looks a lot better since in the hands on videos it did not look like this at all.
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That's possible. Sometime camera doesn't get correct colors depending on its own color, white balance setting. Also that Nexus photos on phonearena doesn't look like the latest ICS device that Google unveiled at Hong Kong. So I usually take sample photos on that site with grain of sale as they often use pre-release test phones.
 
dr01d3tte said:
LOL how all existing phones are now relics before any ICS is available!
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Not all. Many perhaps.

Stigy said:
Which is strange because the specs aren't horrible.

I am 99.99% sure you will see CM9 (or some other ICS ROM) available for the N1.
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Perhaps.

Aside from CM9 being magic (no sarcasm intended) - srsly - do we know what ICS really is? How it will be pared down?

In the IRC chat during the announcement and in other live blogs at the time, there were quite a few interjections in real time: CyanogenMod does that, CM does that, too.

If, that's if ok, the Dalvik VM has changed radically and IF it has some memory requirements (cache on rom + ram for example) that can't be met with lesser iron, then no fat trimming will shoe-horn it in.

I don't know, I'm asking - do we really know what ICS is and that it can be trimmed like that?

And might the hardware acceleration have some minimum processor requirements?
 
EarlyMon said:
Perhaps.

Aside from CM9 being magic (no sarcasm intended) - srsly - do we know what ICS really is? How it will be pared down?

In the IRC chat during the announcement and in other live blogs at the time, there were quite a few interjections in real time: CyanogenMod does that, CM does that, too.

If, that's if ok, the Dalvik VM has changed radically and IF it has some memory requirements (cache on rom + ram for example) that can't be met with lesser iron, then no fat trimming will shoe-horn it in.

I don't know, I'm asking - do we really know what ICS is and that it can be trimmed like that?

And might the hardware acceleration have some minimum processor requirements?
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I guess I am just basing it on the amount of development I have seen on XDA and the like. There are G1s running 2.3.7 which no one would ever think is possible especially since it started on version pre-1.5, over 3 years ago.

I just feel that there are enough people working on these custom ROMs that someone will come up with something that will make it work. We thought we would never see ROMs on locked bootloaders, but they figured how to boostrap recovery and you can run CWR and ROMs right on these phones.

The development in the Android community is pretty amazing and I don't see them stopping especially with the advancements of ICS.

Just my $0.02 though.
 
EarlyMon said:
Not all. Many perhaps.



Perhaps.

Aside from CM9 being magic (no sarcasm intended) - srsly - do we know what ICS really is? How it will be pared down?

In the IRC chat during the announcement and in other live blogs at the time, there were quite a few interjections in real time: CyanogenMod does that, CM does that, too.

If, that's if ok, the Dalvik VM has changed radically and IF it has some memory requirements (cache on rom + ram for example) that can't be met with lesser iron, then no fat trimming will shoe-horn it in.

I don't know, I'm asking - do we really know what ICS is and that it can be trimmed like that?

And might the hardware acceleration have some minimum processor requirements?
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I would think that Google would WANT to update as many phones they have the ability to as they can. This phone seems on track to be a fairly significant market success, and I think Google will want to continue that in the future. Having the pure google phones have the fastest AND longest OS support would be a selling point that will win over apple fans who are used to that with iOS.
 
AntimonyER said:
I would think that Google would WANT to update as many phones they have the ability to as they can. This phone seems on track to be a fairly significant market success, and I think Google will want to continue that in the future. Having the pure google phones have the fastest AND longest OS support would be a selling point that will win over apple fans who are used to that with iOS.
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Its all risk VS reward. the Nexus one is OLD and sold few phones in the scope of things. And even fewer are still using it.

Reward- making a FEW people happy, maybe a little market bump

Risk- BAD press because it doesn't run properly.

The type of person who bought a Nexus one is probably the same type who will upgrade it with a "custom" rom themselves, so why risk the bad press by releasing a "official" upgrade?
 
redraider1 said:
Since its a minority then why wait anyway? Release em both at same time and there ya go.
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OK redraider, we disagree. I may be wrong in my thinking, but I do believe it's a viable hypothesis. I'm suggesting that perhaps VZ thinks they can maximize their sales by isolating their preorders. If someone is "sold" on a phone and preorders, that is virtually guaranteed money for Verizon. If someone hesitates to preorder because they are waiting to see how a different phone compares, then that is not guaranteed money for Verizon, as the subscriber can come into the store, be indecisive, and walk out of the store without something in hand. Sure, someone who preorders can always return their phone within the 14 day limit, but the people who do this are 1) going to be a minority of the population, 2) pay VZ $35 for it, and 3) VZ will still turn around and sell the returned device for a huge chunk of change. So...VZ may find it a "smart" business strategy to hook customers in via preorder by deliberately being ambiguous about the next big phone coming down the pipeline.

Not only this, VZ probably wants to push as many RAZR sales as they can because: 1) it's bloated which brings VZ more money, and 2) it's locked down, which is just how VZ likes to roll. The G-Nex is neither of these things, so they probably want as many people as possibleto preorder the RAZR before announcing the G-Nex.

I'm not saying I'm right, but I don't think you can "discredit" the possibility, either.
 
EarlyMon said:
Not all. Many perhaps.
And might the hardware acceleration have some minimum processor requirements?
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This was my thought when I read the annoucement, that it might have something to do with the GPU. I remember a gpu benchmark coming out at some point showing that the original droid had a better gpu than the nexus one. Here is a link I just googled to see what I could find

Droid's GPU pwnz Nexus One - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com

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High-end Android GPU showdown | Android and Me

given that hardware acceleration is baked into ICS, I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of the reason they decided not to port it to the nexus one.
 
jimbo1mcm said:
Hans: we know you are reading these posts. We can see you.
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Yes, but reading and posting are 2 different things. I can read the posts too but the minute I hit 'reply' or 'quote' I'm dragged in. Lol. (And who want to try to catch up on all the posts - relevant or not - after 2, 3 or 4 days)??!!
 
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