What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users

[SB13X]

The apple users... well they're just.. dim.

Well the ones that are going to try and go toe to toe against Android. The baffling thing is the arguments spouted are directly aimed against "Android" and no specific handset. Yet most of the features Alieno here brags about being better are hardware specific and have no relation to either platform iOS nor Android. iOS compared to Android is pants pure and simple. The hardware might be better but with iOS running it its restricted. Alternative handset manufacturers will catch up and Android will adapt and still be viable accross less accomplished handsets. Try and port iOS onto an Android handset and lets see how well it copes working with foreign hardware and see it fall on its face. Software and how good it is is based on how robust it is, Android is and iOS isn't now if you wanna talk hardware specs lets take it to another forum.

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[CrazyTechnoBoy]

I Hate Everything Apple Releted, Except My $3,000 Mac Computer!

 

[Rota]

 

[semperLux]

Thank you for writing this. I feel exactly the same way. While I do not own any Apple products for a variety of different reasons, Apple has my admiration. Apple has consistently led the industry in product design and everyone simply follows--it's that simple.

 

[balders]

Does it really matter?

They are products......do you have a dig at people over what toaster they are using?

They are things that do jobs and supposed to make our lives easier.

They both have their good and bad points.

They are both owned by greedy bloody sucking tossers.

They both go wrong some times.

Macs aren't the best at games.

PC's aren't the best for creative solutions.

But i'm sure some people will disagree.

 

[mrqs]

I mean, seriously, I looked at the upgrades for the iPhone, and aside from cosmetic updates (Antenna band on the outside), every single feature was a copy of a longstanding Android feature (facetime was a copy of Apps on Android, although not technically an OS Feature).

Each Android release is bringing something NEW to it's users, and each iOS release is bringing something Android has had since the beginning to it's users.

And yet, they claim these are innovative and magical features... it's rather disgusting at this point. But I guess if Apple told the truth, who would buy an iPhone?

gotta call pot-kettle on that - each new android feature we get has been a longstanding symbian feature, tho' i agree ios seems to be the one dragging behind everyone else

Very well, here's some advantages that the Iphone 4 has over any other smartphone right now:

1. Iphone 4 has a higher resolution & clearer screen.
2. Iphone 4 has a longer lasting battery.

1. resolution: yes (afaik?) - clearer: no, it's still a backlit lcd so it doesn't have the contrast or color depth of a super amoled
2. try putting one against a nokia e72 and see what happens

 

[Vehtemas]

My phone (Droid) lasts me two days on a charge, three if I am using it very lightly. I charge it every single night which will probably mean only 80% of the charge will remain in about a year and a half...

Do I care? Nope, cause it will still get me through a heavy day on a heavy load, and I can always replace the battery.

My friends iPhone's battery is starting to lose its charge, and he has to send it back into Apple and see how much they want to charge him for a new one...

Yeah, I will take my slightly lower battery for the ability to swap it out if needed.

 

[byteware]

How many Droid phones will be released in 2010?

If we were to compare all the problems reported by Droid users from the 2010 droid releases, odds are they will at least match the number of problems reported with Apples one-new-release-per-year iphone.

Droid has the ability to recover faster than Apple if a problem should arise, because many new types of droid phones are released each year, in contrast to Apple which only releases one new phone each year.

So, you are seriously sticking with comparing the problems with the iPhone (which Apple isn't fixing), with the problems in EVERY Android phone?

Sadly, the number is comparable, but picking up any particular Android phone, you aren't likely to have anywhere near the problems that you'd have with the iPhone 4.

Apple isn't doing anything differently than what software / technology companies already do.

When you buy a video game or OS, technically you're buying the license to install it on a limited number of computers, they're basically telling you what you can and can't do with property after you've purchased it.

Let's make a much better analogy shall we?

The iPhone is hardware. No other hardware manufacturer in the world tells you what software you can and cannot run on their hardware.

The iOS is an OS. No other OS manufacturer in the world tells you what software you can and cannot run on their OS.

And if you start fiddling around with almost any product with a warranty, you risk voiding it. From TV sets, to refrigerators, to desktop computers, to dvd players, ect ect ect.

So Apple saying that they'll void the warranty for people who try to jailbreak the phone isn't some unique or unusual thing, many many companies have similar policies in place for their products.

Which wouldn't be a problem, if Apple hadn't Intentionally bricked the jailbroken phones (which by the way is still the subject of a class action lawsuit.

1. Iphone 4 has a higher resolution & clearer screen.
2. Iphone 4 has a longer lasting battery.
3. Iphone 4 takes better quality pictures and HD video than the 8 megapixel droid counterparts, due to the Iphone 4's significantly larger and more sensitive image sensor. *Contrary to popular belief, a higher megapixel count doesn't equate into better betters.

I recognize that many droid phones have advantages such as 4G capability, slightly larger screens, and flash support, but none of those can tip the scale to personally appeal to me more over the things I mentioned above.

Ok, so your points are...
1) Higher resolution & clearer screen. (Which I'll give you).
2) Longer lasting battery. (That's a lie. I replaced the battery in my Eris, and it outlasts the iPhone 4's battery by a good deal... Sorry).
3) Better Quality Yellow pictures? (Sorry, that ones a load of bull. No matter how sensitive the sensor, if your image is yellowed... it's still yellowed).

 

[Flyphoenix]

I don't hate apple I have a Eris and a ipod nano and they don't get jealous of each other!

 

[johflo88]

That's just why many don't support apple. We DONT want them to increase that market share, as it is. My issue with apple is pure ideological, why buy a device that hampers what you can do? Open platform or I don't buy it.

Agree! talk about open platform,how about telling you how, the right way to hold your iphone inorder to work.

 

[wmtoandroid]

I've noticed a pretty substantial amount of Apple Animosity on here. Apart from posts, there are numerous avatars with Android logos taking a whizz on Apple logos, etc.

Where exactly does that all come from? I've gotta say, I've got an android phone but I've also got an iPod touch, and the GUI on the iPod is just sooo intuitive. I recognize that we've all Android folks here, but I'm not sure how you could pick up an iPhone or iPod and find it ergonomically or technically flawed in some way. Yes, Android does some things better and that's why I have one, but it seem to me that the better marketing message is, "standing on the shoulders of geniuses, but doing it better" as opposed to "Apple sucks."

Thoughts?

Personally, I think there is a fascination with Apple fans (I have family and friends who are).

Most people have never seen a large group of individuals being led blindly by a corporation who they believe is their god. This stems back to Apple computer users 15-20 years ago.

If a new car has as many problems as the iphone 4 has been reported as having, there would be massive recalls, people would stop buying them and that would be the end of it.

But things are different with Apple fans. A new Apple PHONE that can't even make a call because of a hardware flaw is completely fine to someone who follows the Apple clan. It's amazing and I've seen this happen so many times with Apple products, but no where else - the loyalty to hold on to "something" that Apple gives is an incredible thing to witness.

The story doesn't end there. When a product that has been worshiped suddenly becomes replaced by something more "magical" a frenzy ensues and people all of a sudden lose their heads!

So I don't think there's a hated towards Apple followers, but there is something very peculiar about their behavior that you don't see anywhere else

 

[sakmaster]

I don't "hate" Apple. I own a custom built PC and PC netbook, both running Linux Mint, and I own an Android phone. Nothing Apple does directly affects me.

I think I would hate Apple if was one of their customers. The way Apple locks its customers in, denies them technologies (like flash), and charges them obscene amounts for low quality products would annoy me, but thats why I'm not an Apple customer.

You have a choice to eventually free yourself from OS X, iOS, and iTunes and its the customers fault for allowing themselves to continuously get locked in. So I really feel little pity for Apples customers, because buying Apple products is just making and uneducated purchase, you should research before you buy. Companies like Bose are no different.

Apple is also just a business, with intent to make money, and they do that really well. I don't "hate" Apple just because they are really successful, in fact they are a great investment.

I think the best scenario is using the most innovative and open technologies available (Android is one) while still investing in companies like Apple who will eventually bring these innovations to the mainstream (with strings attached).


The only thing that annoys me is when Apple is given credit for innovations that are not their own. This happens a lot. People ague that there is a difference between "inventing" and "innovating", and other company invent things that Apple "innovates". But its really more of small companies invent things that Apple copies, slaps an Apple Brand on, and resells at 50% margin. But thats how marketing goes, most of the success of a product is from how you market it.

 

[terrybyte]

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[LoyalServant]

Or the fact that consumer reports can't recommend it:

Consumer Reports Electronics Blog: Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4

Surely yet another black eye for Apple.
Sooner or later that armor of fanboys protecting their church of jobs will be penetrated.

Unless the facade is beginning to crack here....

 

[Wlliam.]

Others = sux
Apple =much more betterer

 

[LoyalServant]

Others = sux
Apple =much more betterer

LOL spoken like a true fanboy.
Care to back up your claims?
'Betterer'?

 

[Niir]

I dont know how people can claim Apple is an innovative company, if anything they are the definition of technological conservatism.

No software feature they have introduced has been innovative or new.

Hardware is a constant progression so a slightly better camera, debatably faster processor and slightly higher res screen does not count as innovation because its just natural progression of phone tech.

Android is the definition of innovation because of its open nature, yes some stuff isnt pretty to look at or that user friendly but the scope for functionality simply eclipses iOS4.

 

[partridge]

I've read plenty of reviews from various websites and magazines that all same pretty much the same thing:

The 3Gs was a big, welcome step up from its predecessor. The iPhone 4 has not repeated this.

One review gave it 75% and in their list of best smartphones the Desire remains number 1 (and that's with 2.1, when it gets 2.2 its position is cemented even further).

The media honeymoon with Apple is coming to an end, not many of them are gushing over Steve's every word anymore, these days they're actually checking the claims instead of taking them at his word.

See this link for the view from "Consumer Reports"
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/12/consumer_reports_iphone_reversal/

"We tested multiple iPhones as well as other phones from AT&T, and found that the problem is really only with the iPhone 4. Bottom line, we can't recommend the iPhone 4 until Apple fixes this design flaw."

 

[TNwainwright]

I dont know how people can claim Apple is an innovative company, if anything they are the definition of technological conservatism.

No software feature they have introduced has been innovative or new.

Hardware is a constant progression so a slightly better camera, debatably faster processor and slightly higher res screen does not count as innovation because its just natural progression of phone tech.

Android is the definition of innovation because of its open nature, yes some stuff isnt pretty to look at or that user friendly but the scope for functionality simply eclipses iOS4.

How was the first Iphone not innovative?

For all those saying the iPhone 4 is getting average reviews, I have read many reviews which have been glowing. Engadget called it the best smartphone currently available. Seriously it's a good phone stop being so reactionary.

The iPhone does have a smoother interface experience than android, that doesn't seal the deal for me but it does for a lot of people.

My mother recently looked into getting a smart-phone and she didn't want an iPhone for various reasons, (non-replaceable battery, high price) we tried many android phones and she kinda liked them but not much, she then tried an iPhone and found it much more responsive and easier to use, this is coming from someone who dislikes apples business practices. For the vast majority of people an iPhone 4 (or any iPhone) is a high quality easy to use phone. Some people have suggested that the iPhone is a "kids toy" for some reason, this is ridiculous, just because someone doesn't want to customise their phone does not make them a Kid.

 

[byteware]

How was the first Iphone not innovative?

Because the initial iPhone only did what had already been done.

It would not have been a hit, if it weren't for the fact that it had an Apple logo on it.

For all those saying the iPhone 4 is getting average reviews, I have read many reviews which have been glowing. Engadget called it the best smartphone currently available. Seriously it's a good phone stop being so reactionary.

That would be why Consumer Reports reviewed it, and said not to buy it.

Consumer Reports does very thorough testing. They test the signal in a RF proof room, with their own simulated tower to determine signal problems.

They've determined that the reception issues cannot be resolved by a simple software update.

 

[partridge]

heh heh, gotta laugh at this: Apple's forum moderators are deleting threads that mention the Consumer Report u-turn!!

Apple iPhone forums gripped by deleted thread paranoia ? The Register

 

[lunatic59]

How was the first Iphone not innovative?

By selectively taking existing technologies and packaging them in a homogeneous appliance and selling the heck out of it. Of course the first iPhone was only 2G, couldn't send or receive MMS and wasn't able to tether when pretty much every other smart phone in the market could. The more important question was how exactly was the first (or subsequent) iPhone innovative? And please be specific without using subjective terms like 'magical' and 'revolutionary'.

For all those saying the iPhone 4 is getting average reviews, I have read many reviews which have been glowing. Engadget called it the best smartphone currently available. Seriously it's a good phone stop being so reactionary.

And there have been an equal number of critical reviews, especially about the technical shortcomings of Apple's latest release. Endgadget isn't an unbiased source for product evaluation. As a matter of fact, there are very few sources that seem not to be skewed one way or the other. I guess the best evaluation is to read them all, talk to a few people and then ask Paul the octopus.

The iPhone does have a smoother interface experience than android, that doesn't seal the deal for me but it does for a lot of people.

This kind of statement as fact is just an indication of a lack of critical thinking and logical reasoning. The whole Apple marketing juggernaut is so dependent on the 'user experience' that it subjugates any true invention or innovation. Now, if you feel that iOS is 'smoother' (whatever that means) for you, then it is wonderful that you have that option, but please do not suppose to speak for the entire smart phone market. You'll find that right now anyway that 83% of the world disagrees with you.

My mother recently looked into getting a smart-phone and she didn't want an iPhone for various reasons, (non-replaceable battery, high price) we tried many android phones and she kinda liked them but not much, she then tried an iPhone and found it much more responsive and easier to use, this is coming from someone who dislikes apples business practices. For the vast majority of people an iPhone 4 (or any iPhone) is a high quality easy to use phone. Some people have suggested that the iPhone is a "kids toy" for some reason, this is ridiculous, just because someone doesn't want to customise their phone does not make them a Kid.

All Apple's products use a common interface with a standardized group of actions and functions so that every iPhone, iPod and Mac behaves the same way, all the time. With a limited hardware offering and inflexible UI rules, it becomes easy to see why Apple needs to maintain absolute control over their products to ensure that user experience. It has been a very profitable business model for them While some people would gladly sacrifice flexibility and customization for order and stability, there are many who demand the ability to tailor their devices to their own specific needs, which an Apple device simply won't permit. The idea that an iPhone is a 'kid's toy' is simply hyperbole in the face of Apple's obnoxious marketing. However, like a child's toy, it is fun and does what it's supposed to, but it will not expand or adapt to the user, it's easy to get bored with it very quickly and you are restricted by what Apple permits you to do with it. (without violating the EUA or voiding the warranty.)

 

[TNwainwright]

Because the initial iPhone only did what had already been done.

It would not have been a hit, if it weren't for the fact that it had an Apple logo on it.

Like what? show me a phone which was released before the iPhone which did what it could with the same ease of use sure phones could browse the web etc before, but it was clunky and awkward and unreliable? as for it being a hit only because of the apple logo Apple had no reputation for phones before the iPhone launched, you could make the claim for current iPhones (you'd still be wrong, the label does help the sales but they are still good phones without it) but for the first iPhone?

That would be why Consumer Reports reviewed it, and said not to buy it.

Consumer Reports does very thorough testing. They test the signal in a RF proof room, with their own simulated tower to determine signal problems.

They've determined that the reception issues cannot be resolved by a simple software update.

Yes but the person I was referring to was acting like it was not a big step up from the previous iPhone, that it was receiving lackluster reviews all over the place which is simply false. The antenna issue is a big problem with the phone (though not nearly as big a problem as some people here would like to believe) but people here would hate the iPhone 4 regardless of the antenna issue.

My brother uses an iPhone, many of my friends use iPhones all of them love the phone and I can see why, they are high quality phones which are deserving of their reputation as one of the best phones money can buy, I'm sorry if that offends you. Of course I'll just be written off as another apple fanboy but I have only ever owned an apple Ipod a long time ago, I have never bought an apple computer or phone.

 

[TNwainwright]

By selectively taking existing technologies and packaging them in a homogeneous appliance and selling the heck out of it. Of course the first iPhone was only 2G, couldn't send or receive MMS and wasn't able to tether when pretty much every other smart phone in the market could. The more important question was how exactly was the first (or subsequent) iPhone innovative? And please be specific without using subjective terms like 'magical' and 'revolutionary'.

Honestly, the innovative thing was the user interface I guess thats subjective as well but I am not the only person that felt that way by a long shot, apple saw a gap in the market and went for it, that's it, but it payed off and was a damned innovative interface that was intuitive and effective and all other phones were left playing catchup, sure there was other things left out but that doesn't mean it wasn't innovative.

And there have been an equal number of critical reviews, especially about the technical shortcomings of Apple's latest release. Endgadget isn't an unbiased source for product evaluation. As a matter of fact, there are very few sources that seem not to be skewed one way or the other. I guess the best evaluation is to read them all, talk to a few people and then ask Paul the octopus.

I have read far more positive than negative reviews, maybe that was just chance, but the other guy was suggesting that the majority of reviews are negative, I don't think that is true.

This kind of statement as fact is just an indication of a lack of critical thinking and logical reasoning. The whole Apple marketing juggernaut is so dependent on the 'user experience' that it subjugates any true invention or innovation. Now, if you feel that iOS is 'smoother' (whatever that means) for you, then it is wonderful that you have that option, but please do not suppose to speak for the entire smart phone market. You'll find that right now anyway that 83% of the world disagrees with you.

Please don't insult me, I'm not stupid, I don't think I am massively influenced by apples marketing, I don't want an iPhone. I did mean that in my experience it is smoother, don't try to imply that a simple omission is indication of poor thinking.
However I have tried them both and I do think the iPhone is a smoother experience, ok I accept that's a pretty vague term, but what I really mean is the interface is easier to use, more intuitive and simpler (not neccecerily by a long shot especialy with recent android phones). And you know what? That's largely because it is a simpler phone, it doesn't have a lot of the features newer android devices do, however it has far and away enough features for the average user which brings me to your next comment.

All Apple's products use a common interface with a standardized group of actions and functions so that every iPhone, iPod and Mac behaves the same way, all the time. With a limited hardware offering and inflexible UI rules, it becomes easy to see why Apple needs to maintain absolute control over their products to ensure that user experience. It has been a very profitable business model for them While some people would gladly sacrifice flexibility and customization for order and stability, there are many who demand the ability to tailor their devices to their own specific needs, which an Apple device simply won't permit. The idea that an iPhone is a 'kid's toy' is simply hyperbole in the face of Apple's obnoxious marketing. However, like a child's toy, it is fun and does what it's supposed to, but it will not expand or adapt to the user, it's easy to get bored with it very quickly and you are restricted by what Apple permits you to do with it. (without violating the EUA or voiding the warranty.)

I don't disagree, I like the ability to customise my phone, which is why I want an android, but it does come at a cost of ease of use, I'm not saying the iPhone is simply objectively better than the competition I'm saying that calling it garbage or a "kids toy" is stupid, yeah the advertising from apple is obnoxious, what advertisements aren't? Doesn't mean you (not specifically you but the "iphone is garbage"/"just a toy" crowd) have to respond in kind.

 

[Alieno]

So, you are seriously sticking with comparing the problems with the iPhone (which Apple isn't fixing), with the problems in EVERY Android phone?

Sadly, the number is comparable, but picking up any particular Android phone, you aren't likely to have anywhere near the problems that you'd have with the iPhone 4.

Apple releases one new type of Iphone per year. In comparison with the multiple different kinds of droid phones that are released per year.

While it may appear as though any one specific type of droid phone doesn't have the 'problems' that the Iphone 4 is reported to have, that is not an accurate comparison, because the previous droid models released 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 months prior, had problems of their own. Droid has the capacity of immediately correcting any issues because a new phone will be released in 1-2 months anyway.

If you compare the total number of hardware/software issues that Apple releases in one year in comparison to the total number that the droid phones have in one year, I'll give droid the benefit of the doubt and assume that number will be equal (reality is different).

Ok, so your points are...
1) Higher resolution & clearer screen. (Which I'll give you).
2) Longer lasting battery. (That's a lie. I replaced the battery in my Eris, and it outlasts the iPhone 4's battery by a good deal... Sorry).
3) Better Quality Yellow pictures? (Sorry, that ones a load of bull. No matter how sensitive the sensor, if your image is yellowed... it's still yellowed).

2. If you have to replace the battery in your Eris simply to catch up to the Iphone 4's battery...that should be the indication that the Iphone 4 has a longer lasting battery.

3. Yes, the Iphone 4 takes better quality pictures. And the 'yellowed image' problem is something that only some Iphone 4 users are experiencing, but I believe it to be a very very small number, much like the reception issue.

Again, I've had absolutely zero problems with my Iphone 4, as have all my co-workers and friends who have one as well.

Or the fact that consumer reports can't recommend it:

Consumer Reports Electronics Blog: Lab tests: Why Consumer Reports can't recommend the iPhone 4

Surely yet another black eye for Apple.
Sooner or later that armor of fanboys protecting their church of jobs will be penetrated.

..Have you read the full review in its entirety?

Has anyone here?

Because..while Consumer Reports cannot recommend the Iphone 4 right now due to the antenna issue, it's overall performance, hardware, and software was scored much much higher than any other smartphone on the market.

In other words, the summarized Consumer Report says:

The iphone 4 steamrolls the competition, although we can't support it at the moment because of an antenna/reception issue that exists with some of the phones.

What will happen once the antenna issue is actually fixed by Apple and Consumer Reports recommends the phone that they themselves describe as the 'best on the market'?

Will those of you who are triumphantly clinging to the consumer report right now because they knock the antenna, continue to do the same once Apple fixes the problem and Consumer Report then recommends the phone?

This will be interesting.