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...These would have been non-issues if Apple had offered to fix them.

...The problem here is you are comparing a company that fixes the issues, with one that just tells you to hold the phone in a different way.

You have hit the proverbial nail on the head, and answered the OP's question. What seems to be perceived as "Apple Hate" is the incredulity expressed by relatively objective observers as to why Apple's customers tolerate this patronizing corporate attitude. Very few companies enjoy the brand loyalty that Apple has managed to develop over the years through intensive marketing and, quite frankly, excellent albeit expensive products for the most part.

It's their marketing which portrays arrogance and derision of competitors that fosters a level of resentment among many people who have chosen to ... and if you'll pardon the colloquialism ... "not drink the Koolaid."

The "Apple Hate" is not directed at all Apple customers or all iPhone users. A great many of then are up in arms about the dismissive explanations and misrepresentations by the company. It is those people who ardently defend Apple and its practices, even in light of significant evidence to the contrary.

Let's examine patterns of behavior for a moment in reference to the iPhone. The original iPhone was not 3G capable, even though 3G was already well established in many areas at the time. It was a business decision at launch time and one that I don't disagree with because had they gone 3G from the beginning, they would have limited the market to only major metropolitan areas where AT&T had 3G coverage at the time. (you'll recall that they had also been negotiating with Verizon, but Verizon turned them down.) However, the Apple response was less than forthcoming. When it became apparent that the original handset was limited by the 2G network, they produced a 3G version when the initial market penetration had reached a specific threshold. This handset, however had a few problems of its own, most notably the inability to send or receive MMS messages -- something that most competing phones had been able to do for years, including the lowliest models on AT&Ts network. Other issues like the persistence of dropped calls and the lack of cut-and-paste functionality were all dismissed as unnecessary.

When it became apparent that their customers saw this lack of features as a deficiency, the company response changed to a claim that rushing those features to market would have hindered the overall user experience and when they arrived they would be "magical" even though they had been successfully implemented on virtually every other smartphone platform at the time. When Apple issued the update for the iPhone OS for the 3G that made MMS messaging possible, they immediately put the onus on AT&T who continued to prevent the messaging protocol.

There was much speculation about the reason behind AT&T's decision at the time, with many suggesting that their network simply couldn't provide the bandwidth to accommodate the deluge of MMS traffic from all the iPhones at the time, even though every other phone on their network could. Knowing a little about contracts and exclusive agreements between corporations, I think the reasoning was more monetarily motivated. When the initial agreement was struck between Apple and AT&T, the iPhone did not support MMS messaging so it was probably not included in the agreement. When the 3G iPhone was released without MMScapability and Apple realized they would need to enable it, they must have demanded AT&T to include MMS. If I were AT&T I wouldn't do it for free so they reentered negotiations. In typical Apple Machiavellian fashion, they released the update prior to finalizing with AT&T and started pointing fingers. This is all supposition on my part, but it makes the most sense to me given Apple's proclivity to leverage PR to their advantage.

Now, when these "unnecessary" features were enabled, they immediately were touted as innovative and productive. Even though these things had been around for years, the Apple corporate line has always been to dismiss the criticism with claims that it was their implementation that was innovative and not the feature itself. Just look at the hype surrounding FaceTime.

Apple is a very persuasive company and with their increasing financial clout have been exhibiting the same monopolistic tendencies that got Microsoft and Intel into trouble. It really is an indefensible position of power and greed, although completely understandable from a human nature standpoint.

Now, to many people, Apple's customers included, it makes no sense to forgive and defend this behavior blindly, simply because you happen to enjoy the product they produce. The vocal minority of folks who do are the source of the derisive terms bandied about like "sheeple" and "victims of Apple marketing."

The anonymity of the internet have given a good deal of people the freedom to rant nonsense that they wouldn't dare say to someone face to face, hence the need for moderation in public forums. If you look beyond the extreme vocal minority of any group proponent, be it sports rivalry, religion or technology, you'll find the vast majority of folks are pretty reasonable people and in regards to this thread, "Apple Hate" doesn't exist in significant numbers.

I hope I have answered the OP's question and satisified Alieno's feigned puzzlement.
 
The whole purpose of my post you quoted was for me to illustrate that the exact same arguments being used against the Iphone 4 can also be leveled against a Droid phone (or any phone for that matter).

That the whole Iphone vs Droid argument is a petty make-believe-battle and that both phones have their advantages and disadvantages, and that in the end it comes down to what the consumer's own preferences.


Since you said this, I am wondering if you can list what you believe are the advantages of the iPhone over recent Android phones?
 
Since you said this, I am wondering if you can list what you believe are the advantages of the iPhone over recent Android phones?

Fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, ... and nice red uniforms.

Or didn't you expect the Spanish inquisition?
 
Fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, ... and nice red uniforms.

Or didn't you expect the Spanish inquisition?

Well, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. :eek:

Just as long as I don't have to sit in the comfy chair....
 
An iPhone is a good phone, but Android is just better IMO. Minus the amount of apps/games, i cannot thing of one reason why a iPhone is better than an android device. With that said, i prefer mac computers over windows. The way everything is set up just makes so much more sense. I am really looking forward to seeing Googles OS, and I would be very open to it. I hope it is similar to android in a sense.
 
I like the iPhone task switcher and the way it does folders. That's about it. Otherwise Android is definitely better.
 
I find it hilarious though, that you couldn't find a single phone with as many serious issues as the iPhone 4 has.

It appears that way because Apple releases one new iphone per year, whereas Droid releases a whole multitude of new phones per year.

If you count all the problems that droid users have been reporting with the multiple number of new droid phones released each year, both would probably be plagued with the same number of issues.

These would have been non-issues if Apple had offered to fix them.

I agree with you 100% that Apple has dropped the ball.

I mentioned in another thread on these forums that their latest press release was insulting and disingenuous.

Actually, Apple is receiving this kind of coverage because of statements like "Don't hold it that way". If Apple had attempted to remedy the problem, we wouldn't hear any more about it... like HTC did above with the EVO Screen issues.

Agreed. Apple is handling the situation poorly, and they've been switching goalposts from the beginning.

At first they said "it's held wrong", then they said "it needs a bumper", then they said "it needs a software fix", they have a terrible PR team, and if some users of the Iphone 4 are experiencing problems then Apple should get on the ball and make it right.

That being said, I haven't had any problems with my Iphone 4, and neither have my friends or co-workers. But Apple's poor handling of the issues that are plaguing some Iphone 4 users will definitely play into my consideration when deciding on another phone in 2 years.

Since you said this, I am wondering if you can list what you believe are the advantages of the iPhone over recent Android phones?

I can only give my personal reasons for going with the Iphone, as each have their own advantages and disadvantages

Personally, I wanted a higher resolution screen, a longer battery life, and the ability to take better quality pictures and HD video. Before I switched to the Iphone, I was a customer of Verizon and T-mobile before that, I didn't like their service at all and had nothing but problems. With AT&T I haven't had any issues, and since using the Iphone 4 I haven't had any reception issues or dropped calls. I've played around with some of the droid phones a few of my co-workers have, they're neat & good quality phones but I just don't like them.

It comes down to preference. For instance, I'm a handgun owner. I own beretta pistols, but that doesn't mean I believe beretta is better than glock, walther, or colt, it's just a preference. I like the feel and handling of the beretta, so I prefer beretta over any other brand. That doesn't mean I'm a 'victim of Beretta marketing', or any other kind of nonsense like that, it's just a personal preference.

Does that make sense?

An iPhone is a good phone, but Android is just better IMO. Minus the amount of apps/games, i cannot thing of one reason why a iPhone is better than an android device. With that said, i prefer mac computers over windows. The way everything is set up just makes so much more sense. I am really looking forward to seeing Googles OS, and I would be very open to it. I hope it is similar to android in a sense.

See, I'm the complete opposite. I prefer Iphone over droid phones, but I prefer windows over mac. In February I home-built the current PC I'm using now, and I couldn't be happier with it, and I would never get a mac.

It's just a preference. That's all.
 
Please stop chucking the t-word around as a petty insult. Read back through this thread.... the words "pot", "kettle" and "black" spring to mind. ;)

I take your point - up to a point.

He is an iPhone user who says he does not like Android...so why is he here? The very definition of the t-word don't you think?

I don't go to iPhone forums to diss their favourite device so pot/kettle - I plead not guilty.
 
I was away for 2 days and 10 pages magically appeared hahaha.

Anyways, I think it comes down to the fact that humans like to think we are so special ( and we are told we are by our parents from birth ) that we think that we are always right, and obviously if we are right everyone else is wrong.

I have nothing against the iPhone, I do think some of the members who use it are ignorant of some of the downsides, but if they want their money to go there then its their choice.
 
It comes down to preference. For instance, I'm a handgun owner. I own beretta pistols, but that doesn't mean I believe beretta is better than glock, walther, or colt, it's just a preference. I like the feel and handling of the beretta, so I prefer beretta over any other brand. That doesn't mean I'm a 'victim of Beretta marketing', or any other kind of nonsense like that, it's just a personal preference.

Does that make sense?

You'd be a victim of Beretta marketing if you bought your gun over the other brands on the premise that it killed things better, or was magical, or compared to other gun manufacturers it just worked, inferring the others suffer from jamming or the trigger falling off etc. All the while your Beretta suffered from those same problems and wasn't magical and niether did it just work.
Which is the situation for the iphone owners from the initial release right up to their 4th incarnation the issue of dropped calls has plagued every release.
 
He is an iPhone user who says he does not like Android...so why is he here?

Android Forums doesn't have a membership policy that requires ownership of an Android device, so it's not my concern. Anyone registered as a member can post in the public forums.

The very definition of the t-word don't you think?
Again, if staff feel action is required it will happen.
 
It appears that way because Apple releases one new iphone per year, whereas Droid releases a whole multitude of new phones per year.

If you count all the problems that droid users have been reporting with the multiple number of new droid phones released each year, both would probably be plagued with the same number of issues.


So, your argument is:

We should compare Apple's 1 phone's issues (they only have 1 phone to get right), with every issue of every Android phone whose OEM's have 100's of phones to get right?

And the best you can come up with is the same number?





I agree with you 100% that Apple has dropped the ball.

I mentioned in another thread on these forums that their latest press release was insulting and disingenuous.

You should read their marketing. It's equally insulting and disingenuous.

iPad ads where they photoshopped the flash parts of webpages onto the iPad.

Ads where they outright lie about download time. (Those ads were banned in Britain for being deceptive).

According to their own court documents... you couldn't misconstrue their advertising statements as fact.


Agreed. Apple is handling the situation poorly, and they've been switching goalposts from the beginning.

At first they said "it's held wrong", then they said "it needs a bumper", then they said "it needs a software fix", they have a terrible PR team, and if some users of the Iphone 4 are experiencing problems then Apple should get on the ball and make it right.

That being said, I haven't had any problems with my Iphone 4, and neither have my friends or co-workers. But Apple's poor handling of the issues that are plaguing some Iphone 4 users will definitely play into my consideration when deciding on another phone in 2 years.

That's one reason you hear so much about their problems. HTC said plainly, we'll fix it, and the headlines went away.



I can only give my personal reasons for going with the Iphone, as each have their own advantages and disadvantages

Personally, I wanted a higher resolution screen, a longer battery life, and the ability to take better quality pictures and HD video. Before I switched to the Iphone, I was a customer of Verizon and T-mobile before that, I didn't like their service at all and had nothing but problems. With AT&T I haven't had any issues, and since using the Iphone 4 I haven't had any reception issues or dropped calls. I've played around with some of the droid phones a few of my co-workers have, they're neat & good quality phones but I just don't like them.

It comes down to preference. For instance, I'm a handgun owner. I own beretta pistols, but that doesn't mean I believe beretta is better than glock, walther, or colt, it's just a preference. I like the feel and handling of the beretta, so I prefer beretta over any other brand. That doesn't mean I'm a 'victim of Beretta marketing', or any other kind of nonsense like that, it's just a personal preference.

Believe it or not, I wanted an iPhone when it came out, but couldn't get signal at my house with AT&T. So, I couldn't get one. I still wanted one.

Then Apple bricked every jailbroken phone, on purpose. They destroyed people's property because they did something Apple didn't like. That infuriated me. They got away with it because 1) They warned them and 2) Jailbreaking the iPhone violated your warranty.

How dare a company tell it's users what it can and can't do with property after they've purchased it.

At that point, I really started to despise Apple. I definitely no longer trusted them, period. Now that Android has brought phones that are better in almost every single aspect... it's just a countdown to the iPhone going away.

I mean, seriously, I looked at the upgrades for the iPhone, and aside from cosmetic updates (Antenna band on the outside), every single feature was a copy of a longstanding Android feature (facetime was a copy of Apps on Android, although not technically an OS Feature).

Each Android release is bringing something NEW to it's users, and each iOS release is bringing something Android has had since the beginning to it's users.

And yet, they claim these are innovative and magical features... it's rather disgusting at this point. But I guess if Apple told the truth, who would buy an iPhone?
 
I never assumed that it was 5%, I was merely using that number as an example to illustrate that the whole reception issue with the Iphone 4 could be an overblown issue by the loudest and most disgruntled customers, who would naturally be expecting their over hyped new toy to be absolutely flawless.

There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that 20% of Iphone 4 users are experiencing significant problems (or any problems at all), as a matter of fact, there is no evidence to indicate that even 1% of Iphone 4 users are experiencing any problems.

This is what we know: Some people are experiencing reception issues. That's it.

All cellphone brands will have the occasional lemon, and even if Apple produced 1 lemon per 100 Iphone 4s, that number would still be well over 17,000 bad phones, which would of course result in a lot of disgruntled customers running to the media and technology blogs, which would make the problem look much bigger than it actually is.

For instance, if the media and technology blogs reported on some of the problems droid users are experiencing in these forums, people would incorrectly assume that the droid is a piece of crap due to all the complaints, issues, and problems posted here. But the reality is that only a small percentage of droid users actually experience any problems, same thing with Apple Iphone 4 users.



And to reiterate, I am by no means an apple fanboy. I've never owned an ipod, ipad, or mac, nor do I ever plan to. But I do like their phones, and I've never had a problem with mine. I criticized Apple's recent press release on these forums, so I will call them on a legitimate grief if one presents itself, but I'm not drinking the koolaid that "MY PHONE IS BETTER THAN URS" argument, we can go back and forth endlessly.

It comes down to preference. Evo is not better than the Iphone 4, and the Iphone 4 is not better than the Evo.


Ok so normal I stay out of these discussions and just kinda read them... but that is just arrogant... I mean just because something seems like a novelty does not make it pointless. there are OTHER people in this world who find those features very useful.

And I just have to wonder, have you even used those features before you toss them out as usless?

Also, it seems like all of Androids "novelty" feature once added to the Iphone becomes "revolutionary" and "magical"

on topic... i don't think there is so much Iphone hate you are seeing as it is a reaction to some of the iphone user and add campaign's general arrogance. just my .02
 
I can only give my personal reasons for going with the Iphone, as each have their own advantages and disadvantages

Personally, I wanted a higher resolution screen, a longer battery life, and the ability to take better quality pictures and HD video. Before I switched to the Iphone, I was a customer of Verizon and T-mobile before that, I didn't like their service at all and had nothing but problems. With AT&T I haven't had any issues, and since using the Iphone 4 I haven't had any reception issues or dropped calls. I've played around with some of the droid phones a few of my co-workers have, they're neat & good quality phones but I just don't like them.

It comes down to preference. For instance, I'm a handgun owner. I own beretta pistols, but that doesn't mean I believe beretta is better than glock, walther, or colt, it's just a preference. I like the feel and handling of the beretta, so I prefer beretta over any other brand. That doesn't mean I'm a 'victim of Beretta marketing', or any other kind of nonsense like that, it's just a personal preference.

Does that make sense?

I can understand wanting better battery life since that is one of the major problems that people have with Android in general. The network doesn't really make a difference anymore since all the majors now carry Android phones. The camera and video are also rather moot since many of the newer Android phones actually have higher resolution in both departments.

However, you've stated a few times that the iPhone has specific advantages over Android. I'm wondering why you can't list those now after mentioning them a few times. I don't think it is entirely fair for you to make claims and then provide nothing to back those claims. You have chosen to deny others lists of superior features, but are now unwilling to show your own list. It makes this a rather one sided discussion don't you think?

As far as your handgun comparison it isn't really the same thing. People buy guns for all sorts of different reasons, price being a major one and ability to shoot being another. I tried many different guns before I picked my Glock. It felt better or more natural in my hand and performed much better than any other gun I tried. I have since put well over 10,000 rounds through it without a single problem. I suppose that accuracy, reliability and build quality could all be listed as features of a gun, but it isn't really the same comparison when people are buying cell phones. We are talking features at this point and what you find to be superior in the iPhone.
 
What word is the T word? I'm far to lazy to read all the posts to figure it out.

I was wondering that, too.

Let's make some up.

How about Tonto? That's considered derogatory now days by hippies and stuff.

:D

Well, it starts with a T, the second letter is a common sound pirates make "Arrrrrrr", that is followed by the second letter in good and it ends with the last two letters in hell.


In all seriousness it is starting to become an all to common word on the forum and is being thrown at people if they show the slightest hint of not going along with the status quo.
 
Well, it starts with a T, the second letter is a common sound pirates make "Arrrrrrr", that is followed by the second letter in good and it ends with the last two letters in hell.


In all seriousness it is starting to become an all to common word on the forum and is being thrown at people if they show the slightest hint of not going along with the status quo.

Ahhh ok, ya I'm guilty of using that once lately, apologies.
 
We should compare Apple's 1 phone's issues (they only have 1 phone to get right), with every issue of every Android phone whose OEM's have 100's of phones to get right?

And the best you can come up with is the same number?

How many Droid phones will be released in 2010?

If we were to compare all the problems reported by Droid users from the 2010 droid releases, odds are they will at least match the number of problems reported with Apples one-new-release-per-year iphone.

Droid has the ability to recover faster than Apple if a problem should arise, because many new types of droid phones are released each year, in contrast to Apple which only releases one new phone each year.

Then Apple bricked every jailbroken phone, on purpose. They destroyed people's property because they did something Apple didn't like. That infuriated me. They got away with it because 1) They warned them and 2) Jailbreaking the iPhone violated your warranty.

How dare a company tell it's users what it can and can't do with property after they've purchased it.

Apple isn't doing anything differently than what software / technology companies already do.

When you buy a video game or OS, technically you're buying the license to install it on a limited number of computers, they're basically telling you what you can and can't do with property after you've purchased it.

And if you start fiddling around with almost any product with a warranty, you risk voiding it. From TV sets, to refrigerators, to desktop computers, to dvd players, ect ect ect.

So Apple saying that they'll void the warranty for people who try to jailbreak the phone isn't some unique or unusual thing, many many companies have similar policies in place for their products.

I can understand wanting better battery life since that is one of the major problems that people have with Android in general. The network doesn't really make a difference anymore since all the majors now carry Android phones. The camera and video are also rather moot since many of the newer Android phones actually have higher resolution in both departments.

However, you've stated a few times that the iPhone has specific advantages over Android. I'm wondering why you can't list those now after mentioning them a few times. I don't think it is entirely fair for you to make claims and then provide nothing to back those claims. You have chosen to deny others lists of superior features, but are now unwilling to show your own list. It makes this a rather one sided discussion don't you think?

Very well, here's some advantages that the Iphone 4 has over any other smartphone right now:

1. Iphone 4 has a higher resolution & clearer screen.
2. Iphone 4 has a longer lasting battery.
3. Iphone 4 takes better quality pictures and HD video than the 8 megapixel droid counterparts, due to the Iphone 4's significantly larger and more sensitive image sensor. *Contrary to popular belief, a higher megapixel count doesn't equate into better betters.

I recognize that many droid phones have advantages such as 4G capability, slightly larger screens, and flash support, but none of those can tip the scale to personally appeal to me more over the things I mentioned above.

As far as your handgun comparison it isn't really the same thing. People buy guns for all sorts of different reasons, price being a major one and ability to shoot being another. I tried many different guns before I picked my Glock. It felt better or more natural in my hand and performed much better than any other gun I tried. I have since put well over 10,000 rounds through it without a single problem. I suppose that accuracy, reliability and build quality could all be listed as features of a gun, but it isn't really the same comparison when people are buying cell phones. We are talking features at this point and what you find to be superior in the iPhone.

But in the end, it comes down to preference. Some people perform better with Colts, others with Walther, Beretta, Sig, ect ect ect. You'll find fanboys in each category claiming that their gun make is more reliable, better quality, more accurate, ect ect. Truth is that they're ALL top of the line high-quality firearms, but in the end it just comes down to personal preference.

That's my point.

The glock felt better and more natural in your hand and you performed better with it, but that doesn't mean it'll be the exact same in my hand.
 
If we were to compare all the problems reported by Droid users from the 2010 droid releases, odds are they will at least match the number of problems reported with Apples one-new-release-per-year iphone.

Droid has the ability to recover faster than Apple if a problem should arise, because many new types of droid phones are released each year, in contrast to Apple which only releases one new phone each year.

how do you figure? shouldn't having only one product to fix, as apposed to hundreds make it easier to increase product reliability?

more phones does not improve a companys ability to fix a problem, in fact being spread over a larger quantity of products should slow them down...
 
Apple isn't doing anything differently than what software / technology companies already do.

When you buy a video game or OS, technically you're buying the license to install it on a limited number of computers, they're basically telling you what you can and can't do with property after you've purchased it.

And if you start fiddling around with almost any product with a warranty, you risk voiding it. From TV sets, to refrigerators, to desktop computers, to dvd players, ect ect ect.

So Apple saying that they'll void the warranty for people who try to jailbreak the phone isn't some unique or unusual thing, many many companies have similar policies in place for their products.

Voiding the warranty and rendering a device completely unusable are 2 different things.

And, those companies don't Brick the devices if you decide to "hack" them. How is it fair or moral to destroy personal property just because user A wants to install apps that Blowjob$ doesn't approve?

I actually like apple products, it is just that their business practices border on unlawful, and are completely archaic.
 
I noticed that you pointed to widgets as "Pointless, unnecessary novelty". Not sure if you have ever used a widget on a device before or if you even really understand what it is or does. I will assure you they are none of the three things that you called them. As a matter of fact, many of your comments to mbell75's post sound more like regurgitated Steve Jobs comments than your actual opinion.


"Pointless, unnecessary novelty" was also pointed to Google Maps/Navigation.

That is one of the best parts of the phone. It works better than my Magellan.

That's where the posters credibility was lost IMO and I stopped reading..
 
On a side note - no one is going to win this argument.

The Apple users will stand by their OS and the Androids by theirs.

What I like about Android is that we can choose any shape and size that we like.

Want an HTC Evo for bigger size and the awesomeness(lol) of CDMA? Want an HTC incredible because you like your phones smaller and the awesomeness(lol) of CDMA?

Want a Motorola for their high reception quality?

We have a plethora of choices.

The apple users... well they're just.. stuck.
 
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