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What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users
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OfTheDamned
The Friendly Undead
Ok, while this is the lounge the forum rules and zero tolerance policy still apply. If you are having trouble controlling your temper then I suggest you move to another thread for a while. Personal attacks will not be tolerated and any further steps in that direction will result in infractions.
0331 (machine gunner for those that have no idea what that is)you? I served from 1999 - 2002
2621 (Signals interception and decryption)
0313 (LAV Driver)... loved it.
1996-2000. Still miss it sometimes.
kyleonfire
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Most people I know who buy the iPhone do it for its simplicity. Everyone knows exactly how to use one along with iPods so you can just pick it up and work it. So many people have picked up my Droid and not known what to do with it, or got too frustrated with bad touch screen response and handed it back to me. True the Droid is good for developing and customizing, but a wide range of iPhone users are business people and kids my age(15-18) who have no desire for customization.
Funny, I find the droid to be about as simple as the iPhone.
Especially when you consider adding apps or music to your phone. Having to hook the iPhone up and add it to your iTunes account is much more difficult than using that market, or Amazon MP3.
Most people you know are probably not business people given your age. Statistically speaking RIM is the master or the enterprise followed by Symbian with Apple and Android only in the shadows. From your perspective I am sure your peers can pick up an iPhone or iPod and use it as if it were a ubiquitous appliance like a toaster or pencil sharpener because you grew up using them. I would guess that a good number of your age group would be confused by turntables and rotary phones, although for a time they were the universal standards.
Standardization is necessary for certain things like plumbing and electrical connections, fuel formulas and traffic control. It's beneficial for a company to be perceived as a standard so that everyone expects things in the same class to behave the same way and leveraging copyrights and patents to charge fees to those companies wishing to take advantage of this perception. The problem with consumer standardization is that it stifles innovation and sets up companies as monopolistic tyrants. Look at Microsoft and Intel to see what Apple is becoming, if it already isn't there. The Government had to step in and break up Standard Oil and Bell Telephone because their sheer size and pervasive infrastructure hindered fair trade.
When it comes to customization, Android phones (of which there are many besides the Droid) will work just fine with a stock configuration, too. The point is that you don't have to customize it, but that you can, if you want to. With the iPhone you have everyone of them looking the same and behaving the same with very limited capability to adjust that behavior to your specific work patterns. It's great if your communications needs mesh with Apple's paradigm, but you're pretty much screwed with an iPhone if they don't.
mrqs
Android Expert
statistically speaking rim can't dream of touching symbian anywhere outside the states
True, but I am an ugly obnoxious American who views this country as the center of the universe.
Now if you'll excuse me, I must jump into my Hummer to drive two blocks to pick up a pack of Marlboro's and a six pack.
Bramsy
Android Expert
True, but I am an ugly obnoxious American who views this country as the center of the universe.
Now if you'll excuse me, I must jump into my Hummer to drive two blocks to pick up a pack of Marlboro's and a six pack.
and eat loads of McDonalds...
3devious
Android Expert
Yes, because all we do is "hate people for owning iPhones." lol
Come pick me up in the hummer, I got a 40 to go along with your six pack.
It's funny, I would get my mom an iPhone but she would probably beat me like I stole something because she just wants a phone that makes calls. I did get her to finally get broadband, buy a netbook, and subscribe to XM|Sirius, so she might get a smartphone someday... as long as it made calls.
I would have to get her an iPad and tell her it was the iPhone because she's already heading for Trifocals. Retinal display or not, I think she is going to need a screen the size of a billboard.
Come pick me up in the hummer, I got a 40 to go along with your six pack.
It's funny, I would get my mom an iPhone but she would probably beat me like I stole something because she just wants a phone that makes calls. I did get her to finally get broadband, buy a netbook, and subscribe to XM|Sirius, so she might get a smartphone someday... as long as it made calls.
I would have to get her an iPad and tell her it was the iPhone because she's already heading for Trifocals. Retinal display or not, I think she is going to need a screen the size of a billboard.
Meet you halfway ... inner harbor for some crabs.
Don't make fun of your mother! That's your dad's job.
I haven't even been here a week and I've already been called a 'troll', a 'victim of apple marketing', was told to 'stay in school' and had my mentality/intellect questioned merely for posting on an open & public forum, I've also seen several threads/posts here where Iphone/Apple users are referred to as simple minded, idiots, stupid people, and Isheeple, so I would say that my assessment that many droid users are harboring deep anti-Iphone/user sentiment is pretty accurate.
I'm still puzzled as to why such sentiment exists.
I agree with everything you're saying and I realize that while there is some anti-microsoft sentiment within a small core group of Apple users, the vitriol and venom is reserved for the company itself, not it's users. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case here, where the Iphone users themselves are literally being demonized.
If we are to conclude that Apple's marketing is propaganda, then we must also conclude that every other product being sold on the TV, radio, or internet are also being marketed via propaganda.
Apple isn't doing anything unique or special in that respect.
I'm sorry to hear about the reception issue, however such issues exist with all mobile devices.
It's entirely possible that it's a very small percentage, say 3-5% of users (this would still equal between 50,000-100,000 users) are experiencing problems with the Iphone 4, and that the problem is being overblown by the media and technology bloggers due to the enormous hype that the Iphone 4 has received, and unfortunately it is those who scream the loudest who will receive the most attention. People like myself, who are having no issues with their Iphone 4, are not going to media, blogging about it, or sending multiple complaints to Apple or AT&T.
Is the issue being overblown? I think it's a possibility for sure for the above reasons. The real question is, what percentage of Iphone 4 users are experiencing reception problems? Is it 5 percent? 25 percent? 75 percent?
Right now no one has an answer to that question.
NYCHitman1
Gun for Hire
Why? Do you know of any other reputable company that has governments stepping in because of misleading marketing?
Apple: Our Ads Don’t Lie, But You’re a Fool if You Believe Them | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
From Apple's own legal document in response to a false advertising lawsuit:
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That video doesn't mean anything nor add anything substantive to the discussion. The HTC Evo is not better than the Iphone 4, and likewise the Iphone 4 is not better than the HTC Evo.
Each phone has their advantages and disadvantages.
1. The iphone 4 has a slightly smaller screen, yet a much higher resolution and clearly screen.
2. The iphone 4 doesn't have a replaceable battery, yet it does have a longer lasting battery life.
3. The iphone 4 doesn't have an 8 megapixel camera, yet it does take better quality and clearer pictures because it has a much larger and better image sensor (contrary to popular belief, higher megapixel count doesn't equal better pictures)
4. The iphone 4 doesn't have 4G coverage, but that's a good thing. 4G right now is more of a novelty than anything else, it's spotty and unreliable, a horrendous battery drain, and only available in a select few areas nationwide.
ect ect ect
That video is nonsense, and meant to be a facetious style of comedy. You shouldn't rely on it as an accurate, valid, or reliable comparison between the Iphone 4 and HTC Evo.
That is all.
Do you have source that indicates 20% of Iphone 4 users are experiencing a "significant problem" with their Iphone 4?
Link please?
No one knows, that's the problem. Obviously I'm not having any problems, neither are my co-workers, friends or family. But even if 1% of the phones were defective (a very small percentage) and experiencing camera issues, reception issues, ect ect, that's still more than 17,000+ defective phones, which is a lot of angry and loud customers, who will go to the media, report on blogs, and file complaints with AT&T and Apple.
That's entirely my point. It very well could be that 95-99% of the phones are fine and 95-99% of Iphone 4 users are very satisfied with their purchase, but the small percentage who are experiencing a problem will be the loudest and make the problem appear much more widespread than it really is.
3devious
Android Expert
Thank you for posting that you are not having a problem with your iPhone. That might give other iPhone users more data if this were oh, I dunno, an iPhone forum.
The 17,000 people with defective iPhone 4s are not here because they know we can't help them and most of them have probably figured out that joining a community for another product to evangelize their product and alienate people who think that such behavior is foolish is completely irrational.
I sure hope you show Droidforums, Alldroid, and the other more popular android sites the same love you have given this one. This is but a small community and can't possibly be so deserving of your attention. You need a much bigger audience than us wretched peasants.
The 17,000 people with defective iPhone 4s are not here because they know we can't help them and most of them have probably figured out that joining a community for another product to evangelize their product and alienate people who think that such behavior is foolish is completely irrational.
I sure hope you show Droidforums, Alldroid, and the other more popular android sites the same love you have given this one. This is but a small community and can't possibly be so deserving of your attention. You need a much bigger audience than us wretched peasants.
You really do need to work on your set theory and logic. This forum has in excess of 175,000 members with 50K+ being active at any given time. Even if we assume that every derogatory comment was made by a different individual, even 10 or 20 isn't representational of any significant quantity. Even in this single thread of 415 posts, 4 represent less than 1%. However given that "many" is a subjective term -- for example 4 four peanuts in a bag is NOT many, but 4 broken bones in one's lifetime is -- then I would like you to apply your reasoning to fairly and equitably. if, as you estimate, that 3%-4% of iPhone 4 users experience reception problems, it should be reasonable for me to claim in an Apple forum that "many" iPhones have reception problems without being redressed. And, if I were to be referred to as a troll, idiot or any other derisive term, then it would be reasonable for me to conclude that many iPhone users have unreasonable Android hate. Of course it wouldn't.
I am not sure if you are truly puzzled or just being argumentative. In any case, some people define their place in society by their possessions and can't tolerate criticism. Some will respond with ad hominem remarks. It's similar to Italian football fans being angry at Uganda football fans for liking the team that knocked them out of the World Cup. It is irrational and juvenile, but understandable from a human nature standpoint.
I'm sorry, but this attitude of righteous indignation is rather irritating. Go read the comments on ZDnet.com for a whole lot of name calling and worse from all the members, including the equally represented iPhone/Apple camp. It's one of the main reasons why I stopped reading the blogs. I just to a quick browse over to Apple's own discussion forum and found in the last 90 days over 400 instances of "troll" and "idiot" used. Granted not all of them were used to insult someone, but some were. So, again, is it reasonable for me to assume that contrary to your assertion, that there is a good deal of personal dislike of people who use competing technology there? Of course not.
You'll get no argument from me. However it is not the definition that many find objectionable, it's the implementation. And it is the success of the products from that implementation that lead people to the conclusion that those who patronize Apple and buy their products have somehow been misled or coerced. I know a great many Apple proponents who also show a great distaste for Apple's marketing exactly because of this.
No, just pushing the envelope.
You sidestepped the point here. It is not an issue of poor reception per se, but one unique to Apple handsets on the same network in the same conditions. Since the iPhone first has been released there have been complaints about AT&T's network being the sole source of difficulty. Even Apple was quick to point the finger of blame away from themselves. I can't speak for all non-iPhone users but i can tell you this. I have had a Nokia 6800, LG Shine, LG Incite (running Windows Mobile ... yes, you can stop chuckling now) and now a Nexus 1 all on the AT&T network in and around the Mid Atlantic region of the U.S. I haven't had near the number of significant (ie. dropped calls) as the iPhone users around me. Anecdotal, yes, but it speaks volumes to me about the issue being the phone or the phone in combination with the network, but NOT just the network. I do have a friend who has an old Motorola Razor on the same network and he drops calls all the time, too, but he has put most of the blame on the phone when other AT&T users are still able to make calls consistently.
In relation to Apple marketing, they have spent a great deal of time and effort to convince the market that they produce superior products, and for the most part, it's true. However when issues arise and the pervasive attitude is that since the product is superior the cause must lie somewhere else, you can understand how the attitude can be considered either gullible or obnoxious.
Even 5% of users would be a very significant number, but I think the backlash is twofold. First it's a little mea culpa based on previous claims of build quality and second, the continued corporate deflection of responsibility.
Bramsy
Android Expert
NSFW language.
YouTube - FLASHLESS IPHONE 4G FAILS AS EVO KILLER
NSFW language. yeah its some dumbo on a recliner but i think it's funny when he put his feet up and goes NUTS!!
10 years huh big guy. i'll be happy if he stays with the EVO 1 year...
YouTube - FLASHLESS IPHONE 4G FAILS AS EVO KILLER
NSFW language. yeah its some dumbo on a recliner but i think it's funny when he put his feet up and goes NUTS!!
10 years huh big guy. i'll be happy if he stays with the EVO 1 year...
Simple statistics rolling off your assumption that possibly 5% of users were having the reception issue.
Allowing for some overlap, that would bring the total up to 20% or more having a significant issue with their iPhone.
As far as how many are truly having the issue... we don't know. We will Never know, because Apple will NEVER release any statistics for this problem.
I dont have apple hate fully. a little.
I came from iPhone->android went winmobile->iphone->android
I am typing on a macbook, bought the day it came out aluminumized
I switched with this macbook from using PCs, and have been using PCs since IBM 186, so for a very long time.
the OS and the hardware on apple devices is awesome, and it's a non thinking platform. it just works. coming from an IT background, this is amazing(except when a problem happens...), i got a mac after nto wanting to go on a PC for pleasure after work...
Apple marketing strategy is really damn annoying, Steve Jobs is an ass(i switched over to android especially after his whole argument with Adobe...), and the phone isn't the best thing out there now.
I dont hate apple products, I hate apple phanboys. And it's really easy to hate them. and it's really easy for them to hate non apple phanboys too.
Their products are awesome, very fluid very friendly GUIs. If Apple would push on with the merit of their software/hardware and not say "revolution" every 5 seconds, I'd not hate on them at all. I love my macbook, would never go to a PC for a laptop... or a desktop maybe?
I think it's all been said before, i'll not go on a rant. their marketing sucks and makes them look like assholes. They're no longer the tops, when the iphone 3g came out there was nothing better, and until recently IMHO android didn't hold up to the iPhone...
If they were nicer i wouldnt' be mean to them.
also if my macbook and both m y iPhones didn't both break, and be costly, and the "genius bar"( i hate that name, very arrogant) actually provided me with the service i deserve with a luxury product, i'd like apple, but those things just make me dislike them. Customer service is good once you get to them. I thin kApple was once good and now they're turning eviller and eviiller like skelator
I came from iPhone->android went winmobile->iphone->android
I am typing on a macbook, bought the day it came out aluminumized
I switched with this macbook from using PCs, and have been using PCs since IBM 186, so for a very long time.
the OS and the hardware on apple devices is awesome, and it's a non thinking platform. it just works. coming from an IT background, this is amazing(except when a problem happens...), i got a mac after nto wanting to go on a PC for pleasure after work
... Apple marketing strategy is really damn annoying, Steve Jobs is an ass(i switched over to android especially after his whole argument with Adobe...), and the phone isn't the best thing out there now.
I dont hate apple products, I hate apple phanboys. And it's really easy to hate them. and it's really easy for them to hate non apple phanboys too.
Their products are awesome, very fluid very friendly GUIs. If Apple would push on with the merit of their software/hardware and not say "revolution" every 5 seconds, I'd not hate on them at all. I love my macbook, would never go to a PC for a laptop... or a desktop maybe?
I think it's all been said before, i'll not go on a rant. their marketing sucks and makes them look like assholes. They're no longer the tops, when the iphone 3g came out there was nothing better, and until recently IMHO android didn't hold up to the iPhone...
If they were nicer i wouldnt' be mean to them.
also if my macbook and both m y iPhones didn't both break, and be costly, and the "genius bar"( i hate that name, very arrogant) actually provided me with the service i deserve with a luxury product, i'd like apple, but those things just make me dislike them. Customer service is good once you get to them. I thin kApple was once good and now they're turning eviller and eviiller like skelator
It's not that the genius bar is arrogant, you just weren't hold them the right way.
Tell me you just didn't say "Skeletor?"
Funny how iPhone users can only cling to screen res and camera arguments, cause thats all their phone does slightly better. Too bad the rest of the PHONE, you know, the important stuff like ability to make calls and wifi signal are a joke. The iPhone just barely came out with things like MMS and copy/paste last year and multitasking a month ago. Things other phones have been doing for 5-6 years, what a joke. Lets list the areas the Evo owns the iPhone in shall we? Will be a much longer list than yours
1. Evo is faster to load websites over 3G and wifi, even without Froyo
2. Evo has Flash
3. Evo can multitask any app, not just apps your daddy Steve Jobs approves
4. Evo has built in Google maps with navigation
5. Evo has speech to text in any field you can type
6. Evo has a bigger screen
7. Evo can actually make calls being held any way you like
8. Evo auto formats text in the web browser
9. Evo has HDMI out
10. Evo has an open OS with customizable widgets
11. Evo can do video calls over 3G/4G
12. Evo can use custom keyboards, dialers and interfaces
These are just off the top of my head, I am sure there are another dozen things the Evo does better than your iPhone 4.
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