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What the heck is the deal with iphone users Vs Android users
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Zenze
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Agreed and with good reason. Although I think it has less to do with the number of sellers and more to do with the way they handle software. If they changed the ridiculous way that they handle the app store then I could see them keeping a sizable amount of market share.
Snow_Fox
Android Expert
eh.. My point is this.. Only apple can make a mac..
Anyone can make a pc.. Even me..
So apple is destined to be over shadowed.
Zenze
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I think its possible that they could keep up in terms of hardware, if they have a version of the A4 chip in the new iPhone it could be interesting.
Even if they can't keep up in terms of hardware, which is defiantly a possibility, I think they will be overshadowed from the software side more quickly. I think the way they want to keep control over the software that can be used on the device will drive away users and developers faster than anything. The whole issue of flash certainly doesn't help them either...
tazziedevil
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vandyblackandgold
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i know you touched on this being a petty argument, but i still have to comment.
i will never be able to fathom why people think this way. Company no. 1 does everything they are supposed to do to legally protect their creation and product and they are the bad guy because they dont make it open source. I cant stand when people get on this soapbox about not paying for stuff. geez people. wah, wah. you cant legally put os x on 100 machines, without paying for licensing agreements. how do you people actually come up with this stuff?
hakr100
Android Expert
Apple has done very well for itself with its ergonomically beautiful products that tend to work properly, and its first-rate technical support. I switched from top of the line PCs to Apple desktops and laptops, mainly because I tired of dealing with microsoft and its third-world, third-class tech support.
I would have gladly bought an iPhone instead of my incredible if I could have gotten one through Verizon, because AT&T coverage in areas important to me just plain sucks.
The iPhones work nicely, as does my Incredible.
The fact that Apple controls its products doesn't bother me at all.
IOWA
Mr. Logic Pants
And thus it is confirmed. You are an Apple fan.
While the design of apple products look nice for most,(and they do) I wouldn't call any of their products top of the line or top rate. Just because it is easy to use for the peon, doesn't make it the best.
Tapatalk. Samsung Moment. Yep.
hakr100
Android Expert
You know, it really isn't necessary to try to "divide" up everything. We live in a world that really is not black or white. Until recently, I used to assemble my own PC's from so-called "top of the line" pieces and parts, and while these boxes typically outperformed most of the offerings from the name brand configurators like Dell, HP, et cetera, they still had to deal with the foibles of Microsoft, its OS, and its piss-poor tech support.
The components in my Mac laptop and my new I7 desktop work well with each other, and I haven't had anything but really minor OS glitches for several years now. It's not that the Apples are easier to use...I don't think they are...it's just that their hard code, OS, and components seem to work better with each other.
toasty
Android Enthusiast
As a matter of fact, in the state of California, it IS a crime to keep a lost item when you know it was not discarded intentionally and the true owner can be reasonably identified. Quirky statute, to be sure, but that's California's legal system for you.
As an aside, executing a search warrant =/= S.W.A.T. team storming a gizmodo editor's home. Factually incorrect.
Frisco
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Getting back to your original thread query, toasty..
..I had an instant response, and then I decided to discard that and think it through a bit.
After that I came up with what seems to me to be an accurate, apropos analogy: the iPhone is to smart phones as MacDonalds is to dinner. It's "generic," it'll do the job (one at a time), it's satisfying, but also it'll narrow your standards down to an area where eventually you'll find yourself feeling cheated and wanting.
Android suffers none of that, at least not to the extent that iPhone, and Apple in general, does, in my opinion.
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
I would qualify that, in agreement, with "..quality control of the hardware at the Android (Eris at least) manufacture and assembly plants seems to have caused many of their devices to be buggy and inconsistent in performance."
I don't know if iPhone suffers this same problem.
Not in my experience, but then I've only had 5 iPhones and they've sold over 50 million.
I would also say that it's not the hardware, more the OS and apps that cause the irregularities.
My Desire is an excellent spec - yet it behaves in a very similar way to my Hero from last year. The OS and apps are the bottleneck (IMHO), not the hardware.
I would also say that it's not the hardware, more the OS and apps that cause the irregularities.
My Desire is an excellent spec - yet it behaves in a very similar way to my Hero from last year. The OS and apps are the bottleneck (IMHO), not the hardware.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
May I ask how long you've been using smartphones? I'm a power mobile gadget user. I've owned every high-end windows/palm devices and in 2007, the iPhone broke new grounds. I still remember the gadget blogs, win-mo,palm forums dismissing the product - "closed, no stylus, no keyboard, it is dead in the water" Sometimes, I still go back to those articles. It changed how smartphones behave and re-defined computing - touch computing.
Otherwise, all the android superphones now would still be using Styluses. Super smartphones would not be using capacitive multi-touch. Andy Rubenstein (Android creator) would still be pushing the old methods, the status quo of mobile computing.
Since 2007, I am still, to this day, impressed with mobile webkit (either in Safari on the iPhone or Google's browser on Android). I've been using kludgey browsers prior and that change,too me, was very dramatic. Actually, it was mouth gaping dramatic. If you just started with your 1st smartphone or bought one in the last 2-3 years, you have no idea how Apple took us out of the stone-age. The whole idea of pinching, zooming, accelerometer is truly innovative. If the Droid Incredible did not have these features, I would have never bought it. Thus, you gotta thank Apple for these features. In fact, it *is a requirement* for every new phone I get.
I highly doubt Google would have a marketplace without reference to the App Store. It'll be like WinMo prior, people would be downloading .apks from various sources. Without the Android marketplace, consumers would be less hesitant. The marketplace/model is so successful, Microsoft is going to do the same thing. Why do you think people develop for these new platforms. Apple pretty much set the model for it.
Now, you can't really dismiss the revolutionary aspect of the iPhone. You can, however, debate wether in, it's current form is still technically competitive.
One perfect word to describe the iPhone - archetype. It is the archetype of its genre.
Nicely put, I'm a mixture of the second and fourth type. I'm quite willing to give credit where it's due but having had an iPhone 3g and having been exposed to OSX and MACs in general, I find them to be over hyped and quite frankly, inferior in many ways.
I also agree 100% with your last statement.
I'd like to add that the generally smug elitist attitude of Steve Jobs and many Apple users do not help either.
Frisco
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Well, if anybody really hates Apple, they're probably former employees who left with issues. Those are the types who go through that in most of their jobs; I've seen them come and go all the time.
As far as others go, some are drawing comparisons between Apple's and Microsoft's marketing tactics. They derive their "hate" for Apple in ways they did the same for MS.
We have Apple products in our house and at work. My kid's brand new big Macbook is the fastest laptop I've ever seen, and I've seen Acer Gemstones and all types of gamer rigs. She also has the latest iPod, something she spends more time on than her Tour.
Her iPhone, however, lasted only four months before she got rid of it due to not being able to expand memory and not being able to do anything except whatever app or chore was on the screen: no multitasking.
The folks with iPhones at work, four of them now, would have nothing else and have the opinion that my Eris is "trying to be an iPhone."
As far as others go, some are drawing comparisons between Apple's and Microsoft's marketing tactics. They derive their "hate" for Apple in ways they did the same for MS.
We have Apple products in our house and at work. My kid's brand new big Macbook is the fastest laptop I've ever seen, and I've seen Acer Gemstones and all types of gamer rigs. She also has the latest iPod, something she spends more time on than her Tour.
Her iPhone, however, lasted only four months before she got rid of it due to not being able to expand memory and not being able to do anything except whatever app or chore was on the screen: no multitasking.
The folks with iPhones at work, four of them now, would have nothing else and have the opinion that my Eris is "trying to be an iPhone."
I think Ellen is a bigger ass for actually apologizing. What a sell out. I'd have responded with a big F*CK YOU! and continued to make fun of them till it got played out. I really hate pretentious sell outs like her and Jay Leno.
Frisco
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Just about everything attributed to iPhone in that post can be said about Big Macs, Quarter Pounders with Cheese and Super Sized Fries.
"Broke new ground," I'm old, I remember the pre-MacDonald's days of good backyard grilled hamburgers.
..etc..
I mean 
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If you built the PC's yourself, why would you need to be on the phone with Microsoft when they simply supplied the software? Either you didn't do any research and used incompatible hardware, or you had no idea what you were doing in the first place and thus, now are a Mac user.
Macs. Computers with training wheels.
cds0699
Android Expert
I think you're forgetting what the general population is like. Not everyone is technologically competent, and people are lazy and don't want to put in the time. Does this make them better or worse than those that are good with technology/electronics? No, it just makes them different and their priorities different.
Some people want something thats easy to use, and there's nothing wrong with that. The ease of use does make them top of the line, for some people.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
I think he is referring to the deficiency of Window OS. Windows had a lot of catching up to do to reach parity with *nix type OSes.
For example, I remember a few years back, you couldn't run Photoshop and use more than 3GB or RAM on Windows. There were instability issues.
So in this perfect example, would you still call Macs a computer w/ training wheels? I don't know if this is the case now with Win7 but this was a constant problem that plagued me before.
I've had Dell Windows Servers that had 4GB of memory on the motherboard and the OS only used 3GB. Google this if you don't believe me.Google "Windows 8GB or 4GB RAM limit"
Furthermore, Macs, because of their FreeBSD/Unix roots allow you to run and compile apps that take advantage of multi-cores, 64bit addressing long before Win7. Vista was horrible in this regards. I still hear of major issues with 64-bit apps on Win7. Specifically apps like Maya (high end 3D modelling app used for practically every movie special effect).
Then there is the issue of the filesystem which I won' get into. Even though Windows has NTFS, some apps on Windows couldn't write more than 2GB. Again, these are problems if you are doing something like Video, high-end imaging. Or those industry "training wheels" like you mentioned.
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