SamuraiBigEd
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Apple has filed a patent for a 3D phone so it is probably coming.
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Who's planning to get the HTC Evo 3D
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Apple has filed a patent for a 3D phone so it is probably coming.
SamuraiBigEd
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You are not entirely correct here, you can't just resize a 2mp to 8mp and have it look just as good as a native 8mp, there just isn't enough information. There are programs and Photoshop plugins that can accomplish this through resampling of the image, but raw data is still raw data.
The megapixel "gimmick" is true, more megapixels is not necessarily better, but you have to factor for sensor size in that. Camera phones have tiny, miniscule sensors while a full frame dslr has a frame the size of a 35mm negative. Increasing megapixels on the small sensor requires smaller and smaller pixels, which are tiny lenses, the smaller the lens the less information gathered at each pixel level which equates to more noise in your pictures. 8mp is probably the upward limit of a camera phone, still capable of awesome pics, but it is getting problematic. Sensor size is the biggest limitation here.
To FocusFreak, you probably won't notice much difference, I haven't had any pictures that could be blown up past native size without resampling and I have had some good ones. If you are wanting to enlarge pictures, use a dslr or even a compact, you will get much better results.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
I understand where you're coming from, and in general, you're absolutely correct. But in the scenario I described, you have a camera lens that just doesn't perform that well resolving light. Which means the 8mp is just a magnification of a bad picture. It's already got poor image quality because it magnified a poor source of light.
If you take a a 2mp pic with that same camera lens, it doesn't magnify the imperfection as much, so it actually looks better (just like if you downsized the blurry 8mp pic). So now if you upscale the 2mp to 8mp, yes, you are extrapolating data, and sharp edges will become blurry, but no more so than the blurry 8mp captured natively.
It's a nuance not many people understand. image quality is fixed regardless of resolution; it's determined by the optics. And assuming you have enough pixels to capture the resolving power of the lens, the image quality is the same no matter what resolution your photo.
Take a look at this photo:
On the right is an 8mp photo taken with the Evo scaled down to match the 3mp image on the left, taken with a dSLR. Inset images are 1:1 @3mp. Disregard the depth-of-field difference.
This photo proves a bunch of things:
1) megapixels don't mean shit when it comes to image quality.
2) scaling the 8mp image down sharpens the image but still can't match the image quality of the better lens on the left. The inset on right would look much blurrier if I post the inset in the original 1:1 @8mp.
3) if I upscale a good 3mp pic like the one on the left to 8mp, I guarantee you it will look better than the native 8mp image on the left. This is because the image quality (not image size) is vastly superior on the smaller 3mp image. Yes the photo will look crappier relative to itself (which is your point) because we're magnifying a fixed amount of data, not creating more.
And my point is that fixed amount of data is determined by the camera lens. And for a cell phone camera, that's the limiting factor.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
The limitation of sensor size on a cell camera is exactly why it's counterproductive to squeeze in so many pixels into that small area. By your own description above, the tiny sensors are more prone to noise. So why not use fewer but larger pixels and remove some of that noise? You're essentially saying that higher sensor pixel density degrades the image, and to that, I agree with you.
Sensor size/density should be one of the main considerations when buying a camera. Unfortunately the sensor's physical dimensions are rarely supplied on lower-end cameras where the megapixel myth largely applies.
ARR22
Android Enthusiast
Well I know my photography and I know that no cell phone camera is going to replace my Canon Rebel EOS DSLR. The bigger the lens the more sensitive it is in picking up light thus increasing overall quality with superior APERTURE focal points. Not to mention all the manual options you have and filters and interchangeable lenses you can apply to enhance your images. But what I do know in my experience is that with higher megapixel cameras you can blow it up with out the image producing to much pixelation. That is the only reason why you would prefer a higher megapixel count. I understand what you mean. But I still believe that for people who dont have any experience with CS4 or CS5. A higher megapixel count would allow them crop and zoom in MORE to improve their images as far as centering or editing out unwanted objects without too much worry of pixelation. Again I never said that more megapixels equals better IMAGE quality since the tiny lenses and CMOS/CCD imaging sensors or lack thereof in cell phone cameras have the propensity for immense amounts of NOISE due to the facts that yourself and I already mentioned.
SamuraiBigEd
Under paid Sasquatch!
You are correct about the lens being a big limiting factor, I would love to see a Zeiss, Nikkor or a Leica lens.
I am anxious to see how the 5mp on the 3d performs.
I am anxious to see how the 5mp on the 3d performs.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
This is probably the reason there's no announcement yet... This gives the Nexus a good chance at selling well.
Anyone see this yet
Sharp Aquos Phone SH-12C has 3D cameras, qHD resolution, Gingerbread filling -- Engadget
Competition for the Evo 3d is heating up, 1.4 chip....niiiice
Sharp Aquos Phone SH-12C has 3D cameras, qHD resolution, Gingerbread filling -- Engadget
Competition for the Evo 3d is heating up, 1.4 chip....niiiice
Jackietreehorn
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jdsingle
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Yeah I figured as much. Doesn't mean I am happy with it haha. I'm hoping I get the Nexus in the next week or so and then they announce the 3D release soon and I can return the Nexus if I don't like it and/or the EVO 3D is coming out soon.
People returning phones in order to try and get the EVO 3D should be forced to the back of the line. Upgrades and new customers first. EVOholics should get priority for the phone in my opinion. You already have an EVO and you are trying to upgrade well you will be a priority and so will new customers to Sprint.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
well I think Sprint is doing this to some degree. As a 12-yr subscriber, I'm Premier status, and I get emails usually 2 weeks before the launch of a phone asking me if I want to reserve one. People with the higher $$ data plan will be presented this option as well. People who pay for premier status with their Evo will be eligible for the annual upgrade like me.
Free for all on launch day for everyone else. Don't think you can satisfy anyone. the 30-day try period shouldn't have restrictions regarding an exchange that might be in high demand.
I'm a Sprint Premier Silver customer, due for an upgrade in June. Guess I have to get the EVO 3D now. Told my girlfriend I wanted to give my EVO to her son and she wants my EVO. She is headed to Japan and she thinks she can use my EVO on a carrier over there. I have to do some research. I know someone on the Sprintusers forum that uses their EVO in Japan. But I'm not sure if his is GSM or CDMA and whether he purchased the phone in Japan or from the states.
Japan uses the CDMA version, and they market it there as the Evo WiMAX.
novox77
Leeeroy Jennnkinnns!
I would assume their WiMAX is faster than ours but not to the ITU's 4G spec?
Carrier is KDDI au - HTC EVO 4G Headed to Japan with WiMAX Intact
A note on services (and validation that KDDI is CDMA (Japan's largest CDMA, as I recall - anyway - I've used Sprint phones to talk on it before)):
GLOBAL PASSPORT CDMA | International Services | au by KDDI
While the ITU allows WiMAX, HSPA+ and LTE to be called 4G by dispensation, the 4G spec can only be met by WiMAX 2 and LTE Advanced, which as far as I know, is 100 Mbps. This claims that up to 40 Mbps is available in Japan:
KDDI launches WiMax smartphone | Global Telecoms Business
A note on services (and validation that KDDI is CDMA (Japan's largest CDMA, as I recall - anyway - I've used Sprint phones to talk on it before)):
GLOBAL PASSPORT CDMA | International Services | au by KDDI
While the ITU allows WiMAX, HSPA+ and LTE to be called 4G by dispensation, the 4G spec can only be met by WiMAX 2 and LTE Advanced, which as far as I know, is 100 Mbps. This claims that up to 40 Mbps is available in Japan:
KDDI launches WiMax smartphone | Global Telecoms Business
drexappeal
Extreme Android User
So does that mean that someone in Japan could buy the EVO over here and then bring it over there to use? I hope so, because that means the value will stay high if I don't end up upgrading to the 3D.
jdsingle
Android Expert
Yes. The only impediments may be WiMAX and PRL - so root first will nand access so you can swap those components at ease.
~~~~To reverse the process - bring a Japanese Evo here for adoption:
The Japanese version has language localizations - so far as I know, those can be overcome via settings selections - if you read Japanese menus.
It will also undoubtedly have separate/different WiMAX and PRI (that's I not L, not PRL) than our phones - that should be fixable with a little root legerdemain.
In fact, thinking about it - the ideal path would to have it rooted in Japan with full nand access by someone speaking the language of the localization settings - and when over here, wipe from the bottom up, including an HBOOT replacement.
In the spirit of lather, rinse, repeate - re-root+S-OFF the whole shebang once in your mitts - that would be my plan in such a case.
Failing that - look to buy dinner for locally-available Japanese language expert (check local night courses if you think they're hard to find) in exchange for a rooting session - because in the end, power+vol_down is the same in any language.
In my opinion.
I think their version of the EVO utilizes a SIM card. The question remains will they allow a stateside EVO to run on their network? I know if you pay for international services through Sprint you can use your phone overseas. And your phone can roam on a CDMA network overseas.
I have no doubt the EVO will work on their network without a SIM card. But KDDI would need to give the green light. A guy on another forum said he asked KDDI if he could order a stateside EVO and use it in Japan. He said all they would have to do is swap out the sim card and KDDI said no. I just responded to the guy and I said EVOs in the states do not utilize sim cards. So asking KDDI to use a phone on their network requiring their sim card makes no sense.
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