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Will iOS & WP7 Kill Android?

alamoe said:
Nope. Anyone who really "gets" android wouldn't switch, ever. Now, the users who just got it as an iphone alternative may stay to the other side. heck I'm a diehard android user since the g1 but the way wp7 works with the office suite interests me...especially with tmo getting the hd7. But the whole "tile" interface isn't doing it for me.
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My ideal solution would be to dual boot android and winmo7.

BUT, if Android got some decent media playback, (i.e. VOLUME + EQUALIZER) and better exchange support I'd never consider a dual boot.

But I won't be dropping Android anytime soon.
 
I love my Android, it puts a smile on my face everytime I use it. It's the better choice for me over an iphone. For others an iphone is the better choice. Android takes the smatphone further than the iphone does. The iphone was the first and they did it well. I give them props. But apple is slow to innovate compared to other companies. Especially when you are competing against an open OS like Android. It's the same with windows and macs. There are more manufacturers and programmers for the windows platform.
Apple is very good at what they do. A very simplistic system for the masses and people that do not want to tweak, change and customize. They also want to control everything. That can be good and it can be bad.

I like what I've read about WP7. MS is taking the best of the apple idea, the best of the android idea as well as the best of the windows platform and putting it into their phone. Hopefully they can make good on what they are promising. Let me explain. The iphone is less buggy because apple controls everything. Good for quality control, bad for getting more devices into the marketplace. Android is good because there are multiple device manufacturers and many programmers. WP7 is going to have alot of say into the device manufacturing. They are requiring all phones to have the same three buttons on the face. Similar to an iphone where all gave the familiar one button. They will also have strict spec guidlines to be followed. Plus they are going to be testing each device before it goes into production. Again, we'll see how well they follow thru on their promises.


Here's where WP7 will shine, and the obvious area it should. The integration of the phone into Office and other MS products. Including their gaming console which happens to be one of the largest. Smart smart smart!!!

The one advantage that WP7 has over the others given their late entrance into the game IS their late entrance. They are aiming to separate themselves by addressing all the issues the iphone and android have. I'm curious to check it out when it's available. Will I get one? Doubt it, I'm a Droid guy and I do believe in the OS. Google has done some nice work, but they have their work cut out for them. Again, I love my Droid!!
 
I don't think its possible for Android to do anything but grow as it is growing faster than any other mobile platform.
 
Anyone who bought a G1 a few years back...or even a Moto Droid last November ;) know why Android is number one. It's not just because of what it can do now...it's about what it will do next year.

My Droid was great when I bought it and now it seems like ages ago. Some of it is attributed to Android updates, some of it (probably most of it) is attributed to the Dev community and the advancements they have made. There has been some fast and extensive changes in Android since it was first released. It's quite impressive and perhaps the biggest period of advancement in cell phone software...and in such a short amount of time.
 
5280Man said:
I love my Android, it puts a smile on my face everytime I use it. It's the better choice for me over an iphone. For others an iphone is the better choice. Android takes the smatphone further than the iphone does. The iphone was the first and they did it well. I give them props. But apple is slow to innovate compared to other companies. Especially when you are competing against an open OS like Android. It's the same with windows and macs. There are more manufacturers and programmers for the windows platform.
Apple is very good at what they do. A very simplistic system for the masses and people that do not want to tweak, change and customize. They also want to control everything. That can be good and it can be bad.

I like what I've read about WP7. MS is taking the best of the apple idea, the best of the android idea as well as the best of the windows platform and putting it into their phone. Hopefully they can make good on what they are promising. Let me explain. The iphone is less buggy because apple controls everything. Good for quality control, bad for getting more devices into the marketplace. Android is good because there are multiple device manufacturers and many programmers. WP7 is going to have alot of say into the device manufacturing. They are requiring all phones to have the same three buttons on the face. Similar to an iphone where all gave the familiar one button. They will also have strict spec guidlines to be followed. Plus they are going to be testing each device before it goes into production. Again, we'll see how well they follow thru on their promises.


Here's where WP7 will shine, and the obvious area it should. The integration of the phone into Office and other MS products. Including their gaming console which happens to be one of the largest. Smart smart smart!!!

The one advantage that WP7 has over the others given their late entrance into the game IS their late entrance. They are aiming to separate themselves by addressing all the issues the iphone and android have. I'm curious to check it out when it's available. Will I get one? Doubt it, I'm a Droid guy and I do believe in the OS. Google has done some nice work, but they have their work cut out for them. Again, I love my Droid!!
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Well said. iOS having a one night out with Android produces WP7 :D
 
WP7:

-can't side-load apps
-can't use the microSD card as a removable storage media
-no copy / paste
-no multi-tasking
-UI looks like a butchered 3rd grade art project with various mismatched sizes of colored blocks

iOS:

-can't side-loap apps
-no external storage (microSD card), non-removable battery
-innovates once per year. You get to wait once per year for new features, hardware fixes / redesigns, etc.
-no choices in hardware - your phone looks exactly the same as every other iPhone owner on the planet.
-no choice in homescreens - your springboard works the same way no matter what iPhone you own and how you jailbreak it. Thus no widgets, notifications are FUBAR, no live wallpapers. My friends on iPhone drool at my Android live wall papers, widgets.
-you MUST use iTunes to sync to the iPhone. iTunes - the biggest turd software application on the planet.
-whatever Steve Jobs decides is what you get, no soup for you!!!!


Android:

-software updates / upgrades several times per year
-the widest variety of hardware choices
-the best search engine / functionality in the world
-will always be several version / years ahead of WP7 due to continued rapid functionality development
-Droid DOES

iOS / WP7 right now are on the slow lane, while Android is full throttle ahead with iOS / WP7 in the rear view mirror fast disappearing from view.

I own Win Mobile 6.5, iPhone, Blackberry, Android. Android is the best overall phone platform, by far, imho.

If another platform comes along that offers the variety, openness, and rapid pace of development as Android, I think that would be a serious competitor. Right now I just don't see anything else coming anywhere close to that.
 
I opened this thread with a simple question based on a very interesting article I read. I purposely didn't link the article to the original post, nor did I express my thoughts as I didn't want to "set the tone". Simply because I was genuinely interested in others opinions on the topic.

And boy did I get them.... :)

What has never ceased to amaze me is how a one simple question, will bring out so much anger as you see here:
Will iOS & WP7 Kill Android? - Android Forums

And yet it can also bring out the voice of reason as you see here:
Will iOS & WP7 Kill Android? - Android Forums

That said here's my take.

As a long time multi-platformist working in the industry, I've had a avid interest in mobile communications and computing. I've watched many a good product fail simply because it lacked public acceptance. Then I've seen others surprise us with their success.

I've used every mobile OS current and past. In fact the truth be known, I'm really an addict when it comes to mobiles, and laptops. There is no more exciting time than now, when it comes to the smart phone space.

Microsoft is the old giant in the room and lumbers along at it's own pace. Mid pack at best with the old Windows Mobile, if we fast forward to today, things are really quite interesting as MS is very late to this party and very much perceived as the "old guard".

I'm of the mind that it's a real crap shoot as to what will happen.

I do know that the massive momentum that Android currently has is quite exciting and fun. Personally I really like the platform, and my Captivate has been a big surprise. Don't get me wrong I really like my Droid X, but there is just something very compelling about the Galaxy S series.

Although they are fidgety I like the four virtual buttons along the bottom as opposed to the physical ones on the X. I like the fact that the Captivate is devoid of the "camera bump" on the back like the X has. Partially because I could care less about a camera, and mainly because of the thickness it ads to one end of the phone. The sleek profile of the Captivate is very nice, as it fits in my pocket so nicely.

To the topic of Windows Phone 7, I dislike the "look and feel" of the OS, and I speak from experience as I have had a chance to actually put my hands on one for a short time. It was relatively fast and fluid, so perhaps it was just the obvious lack of familiarity that gave me that first impression.

I do know one thing, even if it's good I won't be buying one for some time. I'm too wrapped up in the fun of Android, too much to do, too much to learn, too much fun to be had.

Cheers... :)
 
Honestly I wanted WP7 to succeed, because competition is good for all of us.

But I am so amazed at the piece of crap that the current WP7 turned out to be, it's sickening.
 
AndroidSPCS said:
Honestly I wanted WP7 to succeed, because competition is good for all of us.

But I am so amazed at the piece of crap that the current WP7 turned out to be, it's sickening.
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I can see WP7 reaching out to the non tech savvy, its Windows base and Xbox Live gamer base. The UI to you may look like crap but to me it looks rather appealing. The UI is simple and I see it targerting a much younger generation and new generation of phone users. I can also see this being used in corporate worlds because of the familiarization with Windows and its cloud service. Also unlike Android the quality of apps on WP7 is abundant. Have you tried XNA 4.0? I was able to have fun making a basic pong game using my hamster as sprites. What more for a well put game developer. I hate how in the Android market some devs make money off another dev's idea (ex. Fruit Pirate 3d to the original Fruit Ninja??). In addition, in Android you have people with different versions of the OS (1.5, 1.6, 2.1, 2.2) and with different specs (400 MHz, 500 MHz, 800 MHz, 1000 MHz devices). Its rather unfair to the developers because you have people who still tries to play high end games with a low end phone that doesn't support certain APIs. And in the end you have those people under appreciate the dev and rate the app unreasonably low. Dont get me wrong, I love the Android's open door policy but at times there needs to be a balance of things in order to keep everything in check. I'm hoping in 3.0 gingerbread they solidify at least the minimal specs.
 
the shear number of Android phones being pumped out should tell you it isnt going anywhere but up. I'd say the future is good at the moment for google and could be overtaking apple soon but as for windows new one not tried it so can't really comment, but of what i've seen its not impressed me.
 
I love the Android OS, it has its issues software and market wise but all in all it is a great OS. My concerns with the Android is more about the hardware then anything else.

The Androids biggest advantage is that the OS allows for hardware manufacturers to produce phones that cover most of the performance and price spectrum (unlike iOS). Unfortunately it is also a weekness as even now you can purchase a brand new phone for 100-150 with a contract that only has android 1.6!!!! While you can get a 2.2 version for less than 100!

I think Google needs to be a little more strict with the hardware companies to insure that the android experience is offered to the customer even if the hardware inside the phone might not make the experience as good as top of the line phones.

What I would like to see Google do:
I would love Google to start implimenting "minimum" specs that a manufacturer needs to have for upcoming android OS upgrades. What I mean is we know Gingerbread has some requirements about CPU speed, RAM, GPU and such...but why not a spec that says it HAS to have at least a 8mp camera at the back and at least a 3mp camera in front? This way a company like HTC can produce a phone today with Gingerbread and specifically state the phone will support at minimum the next upcoming Android update.

Require that all Android phones to have the same functional buttons, meaning a physical camera button and physical volume ..etc. Hardware manufacturers could still innovate and being required to have functional buttons might make them come up with someting impressive in the design.

Minimum battery life with all radios and screen on while a social app runs in the background collecting data at 30 second intervals. We need a proper way to judge battery life on smartphones and Google should require a minimum battery life to insure they are not being blamed due to poor hardware design (even though they are partly to blame as well)

All phones should allow the user to dissable and enable at WILL any manufacturers layered applications that replace/circumvent/prohibit any current Google app/setting/function of the Android OS. Phones should not need to be rooted to remove applications unwanted from our android phones.

While I worry that removing the freedom from the hardware manufacturers could be a cause of concern. I also know the consumer would like to purchase a phone and know exactly what they are getting and what they "could" get in the future. I would love to know if my wifes Droid2 will get Gingerbread (I'm thinking it will) however considering Gingerbread offers video chat her Droid2 shouldn't get the upate since it doesn't have a front facing camera.

This would push hardware faster in my opinion because manufacturers can carve out the market by the features they think are important. Nothing says they cant make a android 2.2 phone with a 1.5ghz processor, GPU, 1GB Ram and no front facing camera. This would allow them to still capture the 3G market who wouldn't be able to benifit from the video chat because of lacking 4G.
 
Apple = Itunes
WP7 = Zune

Both = no thanks.

And to the person above ^^^ I sincerly hope Google doesn't plan on listing "minimum specs" for their OS...

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I disagree with requiring specs. The point is variety. Let me, the consumer, decide whether I want a front camera or a physical keyboard, etc.

The only thing Google needs to enforce is making carrier apps and manufacturer UI's removable. In other words, let Android be open and configurable for us just like it is for them.
 
ZDroid1 said:
I disagree with requiring specs. The point is variety. Let me, the consumer, decide whether I want a front camera or a physical keyboard, etc.

The only thing Google needs to enforce is making carrier apps and manufacturer UI's removable. In other words, let Android be open and configurable for us just like it is for them.
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Amen
 
ZDroid1 said:
I disagree with requiring specs. The point is variety. Let me, the consumer, decide whether I want a front camera or a physical keyboard, etc.

The only thing Google needs to enforce is making carrier apps and manufacturer UI's removable. In other words, let Android be open and configurable for us just like it is for them.
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100% agree. My sister and brother in law both want physical keyboards, my wife and I do not. My sister wants a smaller phone that she can put in her purse and forget, I want something larger for video. Let the buyer choose! And Bloatware = Bad!
 
I agree and disagree with the minimum requirements. Google needs to play a bigger role in making sure that the hardware works well with the software.

I don't agree with requiring certain cameras or maybe keyboards. This is what is so nice about the Androids, you can shop for a phone that works for you as stated above. Like size, color, screen size, front facing camera and physical keyboards. However, minimum requirements for cpu speed or other internal components I could possibly see. The big area of problem is one Google has caused, too many versions on the market which causes for buggy apps. This is an area Google needs to get a handle of. A good way to help with that would be requiring device manufacturers to do updates for phones. Or make it to where updates to phones are easier and available to all phones.

As for apps, the market should identify what OS version the apps are written for. That would help with the problems of putting apps on the wrong OS version. Just a thought...,
 
First of all, to you above me ^, nice hat!

ZDroid1 said:
I disagree with requiring specs. The point is variety. Let me, the consumer, decide whether I want a front camera or a physical keyboard, etc.

The only thing Google needs to enforce is making carrier apps and manufacturer UI's removable. In other words, let Android be open and configurable for us just like it is for them.
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Anyway +1 for this. I just think people nowadays just need to research and check specs for their new phones instead of just purchasing what looks 'cool'. They should treat it as they would if they were buying a laptop nowadays, that way 'high-end' phones with Android 1.6 such as the X10 will do terribly and the up-to-date phones will sell very well, such as the Desire in the UK/EU. People just need to be brought up to speed on what they are actually buying.
 
No. I think there is room for 3-4 OS's in the mobile market. I think Palm's WebOS will fade into obscurity. They may release a device or two every year or two, but it will be dead for all practical purposes. I also think that either WP7 or RIM's Blackberry will also fade to become "also ran". It may not disappear entirely, but won't be an individual player. Android and iOS will be dominant, along with either WP7 or Blackberry. The other will either die or assume the spot currently held by palm and windows mobile.
 
not one single chance. windows 7 wont be around long. they dont have a market place like the iPhone and android phones.. same with blackberry.

blackberry is a company that is already circling the drain.
 
I'm thinking WP7 will fizzle. It's a neat idea I just don't see it taking off. I'm hoping Android and iOS will find a happy balance in the market. It's good to have competition :)
 
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