kastleberg
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I've been chiming in all morning! But I must admit I hid behind a bush from about #5990 so I could ambush #6000.
I guess we could say Han shot first...
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I guess we could say Han shot first...
Wait! Did Steven somehow get access to EarlyMon's AF account or is there really only one of them/him?
That's an excellent question, sa, and one we get asked often.
If a post contains many sentences and many of those sentences have several correctly spelled words, it comes from the EarlyMon account. If a post is short and to the point (whatever that point may be), it comes from the Steven58 account.
Example for what time is it?
Another example, do either of you know things about the Nexus Prime that you can't or won't say at this time?
Hopefully, this clears up your confusion, and again, we thank you for asking.
kastleberg
Android Enthusiast
I see this on the schedule...
Ok, I don't care who ya are, that's just funny right there.
Sandroidfan
Android Expert
Sorry if this is repost, but this picture samples look pretty good to me, color and sharpness wise. Note that uploaded images on Picasa get compressed to smaller resolution like 3MP. So we don't know yet what the original resolution size was.
Are these the first Nexus Prime camera samples?
Are these the first Nexus Prime camera samples?
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HanSolo
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Ugh. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. . but won't the 720p affect any potential benchmarks?
I mean at this point, it's all theoretical isn't it?
I mean at this point, it's all theoretical isn't it?
Isn't the vita using a four core PowerVR SGX543MP4?
edit these are the specs
http://us.playstation.com/psvita/tech-specs/
Someone needs to put those in a phone.
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HanSolo
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That's what she said.
Hey, does anyone know whether a different device is now up for the Game Enthusiast finalist thing at CTIA? Or does it still say "a device to be announced" etc. etc. etc.?
the benchmark is done at 720p resolution!
yup, keep reading, i mentioned that lol
edit: technically its the 543mp4+. where the + denotes dedicated video memory i believe
BlueBiker
Android Expert
Is the 4470 pin compatible w/4430 and 4460? An easy drop-in as soon as yields are high?
magdelaine
Android Enthusiast
I've been making this same point ever since the repeal of the 1 yr contract. Just doesn't make sense and IMO forces people into unecessary insurance OR the old pull an old phone out of the drawer and blow the dust off trick. Who wants to go back to a dinosaur to "get by"....magdelaine.
Ya had to rub it in, didn't ya?
well this bench shows what everything can do at 720p, so we already know about where the prime is going to end up. assume better drivers and a higher clock and you've got your answer
I think that anything that hits 60 fps on a screen that updates at 60 Hz totally wins.
Let's see what happens.
After all - that banner says off-screen.
While I think that means a lot for proving how great a chip is, I'm not sure that has anything to do with expectations for Prime users' end experience.
I note again - benchmarks can be used to characterize iron, a software stack, a compiler - or an end-use case.
Which is most important? I leave it to you cats to decide what's important to you.
Didn't see anything related to the vita
Maybe it was a bit earlier, this thread is picking up again.
cereal killer
Android Expert
Nothing is set until Verizon makes an announcement. Its great to have a timeframe based on a sources info but release dates change like the wind especially now that event was postponed. All bets are off on a November 3rd release date. Im not saying it wont happen im only saying dont be surprised if that date comes and goes.
Word to the wise. Wait for official word before hanging ones hat on ANY rumored release date. As far as rumored release dates go the closer it gets the more reliable the info.
Im personally not expecting anything on the 3rd until that date gets closer and more evidence starts to support or i hear something from Verizon. I hate rumor release dates to be perfectly honest. I heard about 25 different ones before the Bionic was released.
In my opinion its much to early right now. Im waiting.........
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HanSolo
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I think that anything that hits 60 fps on a screen that updates at 60 Hz totally wins.
Let's see what happens.
After all - that banner says off-screen.
While I think that means a lot for proving how great a chip is, I'm not sure that has anything to do with expectations for Prime users' end experience.
I note again - benchmarks can be used to characterize iron, a software stack, a compiler - or an end-use case.
Which is most important? I leave it to you cats to decide what's important to you.
offscreen 720p to me means that instead of using the devices native resolution, it uses 720p for all devices to get level playing field.
what else could it mean?
edit: also, anandtech is well respected and would not get away with benchmarks that you couldn't trust
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HanSolo
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Although I usually disagree with CK's posts, opinions, and general way of life, I must agree with this.
Even if the Verizon CEO was to leak November 3, that date can change depending on many things. There are so many variables in play (what they are, I have no idea, but release dates change too much to make me think otherwise).
Having said that, I'm still 90% sure that Nov. 3 will be the date. Not only Steven's source says it (most recently), but BMX says it, and he was spot on before with other phones that had changing release dates.
Agreed.
100%
Last year, Samsung pulled the plug on supplying AMOLED screens (hit HTC hard) and said that as soon as new fab was ready, they would re-open supply for all. But until then, they could not service external and internal order demand and had to make a business decision.
They said about 17 months ago that that fab would be ready to rock and roll in 12 months.
Since that time, I've seen the introduction of SAMOLED and SAMOLED+ in many variations.
And I've seen lots of people saying hooray for SAMOLED+ and hooray Samsung!
But I have yet to see anyone complain that Samsung is being anti-competitive on this matter.
Just saying - you know.
I have no idea, in all candor and honesty.
Does it mean that that particular benchmark blanked out the screen?
Does it refer to connection to an external display (and even I'd like to doubt that)?
I agree that levels the playing field to measure iron (maybe, depending on the benchmarking software) - but I contend it warps the playing field for Joe or Josie Consumer who just looks at the graph and thinks that it helps them.
Most of those devices do not have 720p screens.
And why 720? Why not 1080?
I accept that there is some magic in the gpu in question.
I simply don't accept the utility of this one benchmark for consumer use.
iowabowtech
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Ok, so who's willing to put money on or against a Galaxy Nexus release followed by a "shortage of devices"? I remember the original Incredible having this unfortunate circumstance but I can't remember if a reason was ever pegged other than high demand.
BlueBiker
Android Expert
That sounds right. They'd be rendering the frames into buffers somewhere that aren't mapped to a physical screen, so they wouldn't be bound by the properties of the screen.
It's possible that it's also a way to get numbers above 60fps, in case a particular phone prevents screen updates faster than that.
Last year, Samsung pulled the plug on supplying AMOLED screens (hit HTC hard) and said that as soon as new fab was ready, they would re-open supply for all. But until then, they could not service external and internal order demand and had to make a business decision.
They said about 17 months ago that that fab would be ready to rock and roll in 12 months.
Since that time, I've seen the introduction of SAMOLED and SAMOLED+ in many variations.
And I've seen lots of people saying hooray for SAMOLED+ and hooray Samsung!
But I have yet to see anyone complain that Samsung is being anti-competitive on this matter.
Just saying - you know.
Spot on.
No corporation has any obligation to share its technology with ANYONE. A corporation has ONE SINGLE legal responsibility. A fiduciary one. And that is to make the most money for its stockholders.
If Samsung decided that it's more profitable to keep their tech in-house and sell it in their own products, rather than farm it out to other companies so everyone looks good, then good on 'em. I'd do the same thing.
There's anti-competitive (becoming a monopoly) and being SMART. Samsung is being very smart, indeed, by holding back their best tech for their own products.
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HanSolo
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I don't think we'll have to worry about it. The iPhone 4S cleared out the lemmings. It should be open pastures for us!
Yes. And I am well-liked by a one or two of their guys, having provided helpful information from time to time. I do have a lot of respect for them - a whole lot.
But their pedigree does not answer the fundamental question:
Trust for what?
Perfectly ok to benchmark pure iron and perfectly ok to trust them to do that right.
Perfectly ok for me to point out that for the average consumer, that graph may not mean what you think it does.
3vil
Android Enthusiast
Just because the processor is working to process the 720p output doesn't mean that it has to be actually shown on the screen. Just like if you are programming any scrolling game, you can allocate for screen area that isn't even shown on the screen.
This benchmark would just test how well the processor processes the 720p output independent from the actual resolution of the screen. Thus making it a fairer test to do among a myriad of devices and different resolutions.
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